#2 Roseau vs. #3 Brainerd

[Pucklvr]

Sorry if this is already started BUT, I didn't see it!

Ok, Brainerd got them in their barn. What's going to happen tonight at 4:30 p.m.?

[BigWorm]

Brainerd 4
Roseau 3

[wblhockeyfan8]

Should be a great game, pulling for Brainerd!

BRAINERD- 4

ROSEAU 3

[Odysseus]

I am expecting an overtime thriller in Memorial tonight with the score:
Roseau Rams 5
Brainerd Warriors 4

[SEMNHOCKEYFAN]

1-0 Warriors

[hockeyfanatic99]

2 to 2 going to overtime

[Cornbread]

Looks like the Barnyards won there state title last month, maybe next year!

[KICKED-IN-THE-PRIVATES]

I feel bad for the Brainerd kids, what a bunch of crap the section seeding turned out to be! Anyways, good luck to Roseau in the Finals....

[starmvp]

I feel bad for the Brainerd kids, what a bunch of crap the section seeding turned out to be! Anyways, good luck to Roseau in the Finals....

Have to hate section seeding when they go the wrong way

[td577]

I feel bad for the Brainerd kids, what a bunch of crap the section seeding turned out to be! Anyways, good luck to Roseau in the Finals....

Have to hate section seeding when they go the wrong way

I am not really sure anyone can say the seeding was bad. These were two very evenly matched teams and could have just as well been a coin toss. Each team won by one at home, so obviously between these two teams, home ice is worth a goal. So throw out the Roseau/Brainerd regular season game and what do you have? Strength of schedule and common opponents. Anyone can make an argument for either team, so we are back to the coin toss.

There is no way someone can easily justify why either team should have been seeded higher than the other, other than throwing out their only meeting and taking the rest of the season for what it was worth. With home ice being worth one goal between these two teams, it is a toss up and the rest of the section knew this.

When it comes down to a toss up, who gets the nod? In this case, it was the team with the stronger tradition. If Brainerd would have gone up north and blew out the Rams, then there would be a completely different discussion. This game proves it was too close to call and no matter which way it played out, the other team was going to feel screwed. There was never a definitive answer.

[warriors41]

I feel bad for the Brainerd kids, what a bunch of crap the section seeding turned out to be! Anyways, good luck to Roseau in the Finals....

Have to hate section seeding when they go the wrong way

I am not really sure anyone can say the seeding was bad. These were two very evenly matched teams and could have just as well been a coin toss. Each team won by one at home, so obviously between these two teams, home ice is worth a goal. So throw out the Roseau/Brainerd regular season game and what do you have? Strength of schedule and common opponents. Anyone can make an argument for either team, so we are back to the coin toss.

There is no way someone can easily justify why either team should have been seeded higher than the other, other than throwing out their only meeting and taking the rest of the season for what it was worth. With home ice being worth one goal between these two teams, it is a toss up and the rest of the section knew this.

When it comes down to a toss up, who gets the nod? In this case, it was the team with the stronger tradition. If Brainerd would have gone up north and blew out the Rams, then there would be a completely different discussion. This game proves it was too close to call and no matter which way it played out, the other team was going to feel screwed. There was never a definitive answer.

I agree with most of what you say here. However, when there is one coach (I believe it was Buffalo) who said he didn't know the outcome of the Roseau-Brainerd game when he voted for the seedings and voted Roseau above Brainerd, there will always be a feeling of resentment, this feeling of doubt of the current system.

[hockeyfanatic99]

Seeding vs seedy, I think it should be seating! As at times it looks like that the powers that be think with their seat! Every year we try to take a subjective process and make it look objective. Both the folks at Minnhock and Mitch Hawker spend a lot of time calculating an algorythm that assigns a strenth of schedule to each team. Both of these ranking systems ranked Roseau ahead of both Moorhead and Brainerd. But thats not how the section seeders saw it. I have to believe that at some point they looked at head to head play (in the name of ojectivity). BUt only for Moorhead and Roseau. That logic apparently didn't work for Roseau and Brainerd. When the term tradition is used for an objective process - it really means I am too lazy to put any effort into the situation so I will go with the good ole girls position - and call it tradition. It is a tradition all right and it is shameful that some of the coaches in this sport fall into that trap. Please don't think that I am putting all of the coaches in this category as I know many who take the process very seriously and it shows as well. But to try and justify what happened in section 8aa as an emphirical application of coaching wisdom is like saying that basketball is more exciting than hockey. Good fricken luck!

[Cobber]

The Buffalo coach seems to be getting a lot of blame for the seeding what I don't understand is how the moorhead coach could seed brainerd 2 when they handled them quite easily 2 times during the year and split with the rams.

[2nd string]

Ok two evenly matched teams. Roseau beat Moorhead once, Brainerd did not. So I give the edge to Roseau. Oh yes and the fact that all the coaches voted Roseau 2 and Brainerd 3

[Junior Samples]

The Buffalo coach seems to be getting a lot of blame for the seeding what I don't understand is how the moorhead coach could seed brainerd 2 when they handled them quite easily 2 times during the year and split with the rams.

Because Morinville realizes that when you get beat head-to-head, you deserve to be seeded behind the team that beat you; plain and simple.

[Junior Samples]

Each team won by one at home, so obviously between these two teams, home ice is worth a goal. .

There is no way someone can easily justify why either team should have been seeded higher than the other, other than throwing out their only meeting and taking the rest of the season for what it was worth.

When it comes down to a toss up, who gets the nod? In this case, it was the team with the stronger tradition.

First of all if these two games were regular season games, Brainerd beat Roseau by one goal and Roseau TIED Brainerd in Roseau (after first 8:00 OT, the score remained tied which means it goes in the books as tied). Second of all, you say "throw out their only meeting" ... are you nuts? That is the single most important factor in awarding a higher seed. The Buffalo coach's excuse is ignorance on the said head-to-head. What is Monticello and Becker's excuse - stupidity or plain ole envy? And third of all ... tradition? Now I know you're off your rocker. What you are saying is that the Dallas Cowboys should have been seeded higher than the Minnesota Vikings in the NFC play-offs because they have a much better tradition at winning the Super Bowl. Tell me buddy, even it "tradition" is a factor ... what did the current Roseau players do to "earn" that tradition. Because Neal Broten played for Roseau ... they should be seeded higher. Nice logic. Sounds like the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Congress.

That being said, Roseau won fair and square and I hope they beat the SPUDS (Seven Pitiful Useless Defeats @ Statechampionships) and then complete their dream by pounding the CITIOTS at State. At least the Rams have proven they can win the big one.

[BERG RENOLZ]

I can see why Brainerd fans/players would be upset about seeding. I think if they would've beaten Roseau more convincingly at home they would've got the 2 seed. it was a 3-2 game in your barn, not very convincing. You also lost to Moorhead twice while Roseau beat them. I understand the argument, but it's an objective vote and you lost. It is what it is. Moorhead's coach voted for Brainerd because he hates Roseau. I would bet money on that. He's a gutless coward.

I was at the game on Saturday and I thought the Warriors had the upper hand when they scored to take a 2-1 lead half way through the 2nd. And then your fans did an "Overrated" chant. Followed by a "Roseau Sucks" chant. Talk about classless and stupid. Right then and there I knew the Rams would win it. You jinxed your team right there. In my opinion you don't do an "overrated" chant until the game is pretty much over. Say 4-2 with a minute or so left. Then, do your stupid chant and rub it in our face. Not half way through the game with a 1 goal lead. Man, some of you people south of 2 are dumber than a bag of pucks! Especially the bus load who came from Brainerd to watch your team lose. Anyway, thanks for fueling the fire. The win is even sweeter when you beat a classless team. I take that back, classless fans, not players. Your team is probably the hardest working team i've seen all year and showed a lot of heart. Too bad the fans showed none of that.

Good luck next year.

[Green and White Fan]

A tie, what, do we both play Moorhead now, or how does this work?

[td577]

Each team won by one at home, so obviously between these two teams, home ice is worth a goal. .

There is no way someone can easily justify why either team should have been seeded higher than the other, other than throwing out their only meeting and taking the rest of the season for what it was worth.

When it comes down to a toss up, who gets the nod? In this case, it was the team with the stronger tradition.

First of all if these two games were regular season games, Brainerd beat Roseau by one goal and Roseau TIED Brainerd in Roseau (after first 8:00 OT, the score remained tied which means it goes in the books as tied). Second of all, you say "throw out their only meeting" ... are you nuts? That is the single most important factor in awarding a higher seed. The Buffalo coach's excuse is ignorance on the said head-to-head. What is Monticello and Becker's excuse - stupidity or plain ole envy? And third of all ... tradition? Now I know you're off your rocker. What you are saying is that the Dallas Cowboys should have been seeded higher than the Minnesota Vikings in the NFC play-offs because they have a much better tradition at winning the Super Bowl. Tell me buddy, even it "tradition" is a factor ... what did the current Roseau players do to "earn" that tradition. Because Neal Broten played for Roseau ... they should be seeded higher. Nice logic. Sounds like the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Congress.

That being said, Roseau won fair and square and I hope they beat the SPUDS (Seven Pitiful Useless Defeats @ Statechampionships) and then complete their dream by pounding the CITIOTS at State. At least the Rams have proven they can win the big one.

First of all, if they were two regular season games, how would you seed them now? Still back to a toss up. Secondly, the schedule was the culprit, not the teams. Regular season section games should a home and home. The way it was, the one time they met in the regular season, the game was a one goal game won by the home team; so it wasn't like a clear advantage and that played out in the playoff game much like that. Third of all, tradition??? If the NFL playoff season was an subjective seeding process, all things being equal, maybe the Cowboys would have gotten a higher seed. If the strength of schedule and records being factors, it wouldn't have been a stretch for the Cowboys to be seeded ahead of the Vikes even if they played each other in the regular season to a close score. But, the NFL has an objective system. None of the Brotons played on a HS championship hockey team, so what tradition are you referring to? As a program, they have the most state hockey titles in the state. That is tradition. Being done by numerous different teams allows the program a tradition, not necessarily the current players. Now given the truth that Brainerd has no tradition and Roseau does might have played a part by some of the coaches. That being said, you are the one stating Roseau has won the big game, but not with this group, so that premise alone suggests there is a winning tradition based on the entire success of the program, not any particular year. You can't downplay tradition and then use tradition as logical reason for one team beating another.

[KICKED-IN-THE-PRIVATES]

Each team won by one at home, so obviously between these two teams, home ice is worth a goal. .

There is no way someone can easily justify why either team should have been seeded higher than the other, other than throwing out their only meeting and taking the rest of the season for what it was worth.

When it comes down to a toss up, who gets the nod? In this case, it was the team with the stronger tradition.

First of all if these two games were regular season games, Brainerd beat Roseau by one goal and Roseau TIED Brainerd in Roseau (after first 8:00 OT, the score remained tied which means it goes in the books as tied). Second of all, you say "throw out their only meeting" ... are you nuts? That is the single most important factor in awarding a higher seed. The Buffalo coach's excuse is ignorance on the said head-to-head. What is Monticello and Becker's excuse - stupidity or plain ole envy? And third of all ... tradition? Now I know you're off your rocker. What you are saying is that the Dallas Cowboys should have been seeded higher than the Minnesota Vikings in the NFC play-offs because they have a much better tradition at winning the Super Bowl. Tell me buddy, even it "tradition" is a factor ... what did the current Roseau players do to "earn" that tradition. Because Neal Broten played for Roseau ... they should be seeded higher. Nice logic. Sounds like the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Congress.

That being said, Roseau won fair and square and I hope they beat the SPUDS (Seven Pitiful Useless Defeats @ Statechampionships) and then complete their dream by pounding the CITIOTS at State. At least the Rams have proven they can win the big one.

The Buffalo Coach should lose his vote for next year, if you don't care enough to do a 1/2 hour of research, the rest of the section coaches shouldn't care what he thinks.

[northwoods oldtimer]

The Buffalo Coach should lose his vote for next year, if you don't care enough to do a 1/2 hour of research, the rest of the section coaches shouldn't care what he thinks.

What do you boys expect? That would require work and of course some thought

[Green and White Fan]

Moorhead coach should lose his vote too then. Voting Brainerd over Roseau, when he split with Roseau and kicked Brainerd twice. What a travesty!! I think there should be an investigation!!!

[mulefarm]

The Moorhead coach voted how 99% of the coaches would. Head to Head when teams are close. Why even play games within the section if they are not going to use the results! If you look at the rest of the sections, head to head is used when teams are close. Each team sends their results to each coach so there was no reason the Buffalo coach should have not know the results!!!

[Denis Lemieux]

The Moorhead coach voted how 99% of the coaches would. Head to Head when teams are close. Why even play games within the section if they are not going to use the results! If you look at the rest of the sections, head to head is used when teams are close. Each team sends their results to each coach so there was no reason the Buffalo coach should have not know the results!!!

Let's think here. Buffalo head coach is Mike MacMillan who is the Executive Director of the Minnesota Coaches Association. You honestly think he didn't know head to head results. He voted for who he felt was the next best team after Moorhead. Get over it.

[blueline1]

The Moorhead coach voted how 99% of the coaches would. Head to Head when teams are close. Why even play games within the section if they are not going to use the results! If you look at the rest of the sections, head to head is used when teams are close. Each team sends their results to each coach so there was no reason the Buffalo coach should have not know the results!!!

Let's think here. Buffalo head coach is Mike MacMillan who is the Executive Director of the Minnesota Coaches Association. You honestly think he didn't know head to head results. He voted for who he felt was the next best team after Moorhead. Get over it.

BS he voted Brainerd #3 so his team only had to drive 2 hours to get beat, instead of 6.