DID THE REFS ACTUALLY BLOW A GAME????

[Junior Samples]

Junior,
If you are going to post the ref's names then you had better be a man and post who you are! Even though it was the wrong, call there is no need to post their names. Why don't you become a ref?

I agree. The man made a mistake. They get paid like $50.00 max for a game right? I think it's out of bounds posting their names, IMO.

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

[fivehole628]

Junior,
If you are going to post the ref's names then you had better be a man and post who you are! Even though it was the wrong, call there is no need to post their names. Why don't you become a ref?

I agree. The man made a mistake. They get paid like $50.00 max for a game right? I think it's out of bounds posting their names, IMO.

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

Still no need to post their names on here... and actually 700 people attended

[mulefarm]

Junior,
If you are going to post the ref's names then you had better be a man and post who you are! Even though it was the wrong, call there is no need to post their names. Why don't you become a ref?

I agree. The man made a mistake. They get paid like $50.00 max for a game right? I think it's out of bounds posting their names, IMO.

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

Junior,
After talking with the head of the officals association, the play was not as black and white as you stated. Your statements about these officals is uncalled for. Please post your real name so you can be punished and learn a lesson.

[defense]

I agree. The man made a mistake. They get paid like $50.00 max for a game right? I think it's out of bounds posting their names, IMO.

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

Still no need to post their names on here... and actually 700 people attended

Has anyone checked up on these refs??? Are they OK. I think someone should call the cops and have them do a wellness check in case someone who reads this board takes matters into their own hands......

[redneck13]

The desicion is final according to the MSHSL and we have to live with that for the rest of our lifes, and we can only hope all involved learned a valuable lesson and rules are put in place to deal with situations like this in the future. What bothers me the most is that the ref who made the call will not admit to everyone involved that he made a mistake. We are all human and we all make mistakes everyday of our lives. The letter he presented to all involved with an explantion of the goal in question is completely different from his explanation to our coaches that night during the game. Just be a professional and admit to our players,parents and fans you made a mistake so we can deal with the loss with dignity.

[K Dope]

The desicion is final according to the MSHSL and we have to live with that for the rest of our lifes, and we can only hope all involved learned a valuable lesson and rules are put in place to deal with situations like this in the future. What bothers me the most is that the ref who made the call will not admit to everyone involved that he made a mistake. We are all human and we all make mistakes everyday of our lives. The letter he presented to all involved with an explantion of the goal in question is completely different from his explanation to our coaches that night during the game. Just be a professional and admit to our players,parents and fans you made a mistake so we can deal with the loss with dignity.

There will be many people in these kid's lives who will not admit a mistake in the future. Whether you want to believe it or not and whether or not the players get it yet, the players on both teams learned something very valuable that night. Hopefullly, they will undersand the importance of apology and forgiveness.

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win. And sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic globule, from which one extracts what one needs." - White Men Can't Jump

For those of you making jokes about the refs wellness etc...get a life.

[Junior Samples]

I agree. The man made a mistake. They get paid like $50.00 max for a game right? I think it's out of bounds posting their names, IMO.

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

Junior,
After talking with the head of the officals association, the play was not as black and white as you stated. Your statements about these officals is uncalled for. Please post your real name so you can be punished and learn a lesson.

Hey mulefarm, don't you think somebody ought to take responsibility for their mistake? The officials in this game were at a public event, performing public duties and and making public decisions which affected the dreams of many young men since they were old enough to skate. Their names were made public on the internet long before I posted them here on minnhock.

Perhaps it is not their fault - and I have said this in previous posts when I admonished the MSHSL. If many of us here on the Forum had our way, I'm sure we would love to publish the names of those in the MSHSL who made the decision to "not make it right". There are consequences for those who do not follow the rules.

WHY IS THERE NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE? This is the PROBLEM with our own country. The bailouts, the mortgage crisis - but I won't get into that here. I really don't blame the officials, I blame the MSHSL for not reversing the decision because that was the right thing to do. Do you disagree with that?

You want to take me out to the ballpark? Then publish your name here too Buddy so I know who I'm going to the game with.

[SiouxRecruit]

That ref who made the wrong call sounds like a tool shed......possibly full of tools.....well knowing it won't be changed lets me move on....I couldn't even sleep at night!

[defense]

Today a pretty reliable source said that Fergus Falls has been awarded the win, but was not allowed to move on......

[wingmaster]

Why do you have to make this into a metro vs outstate? The bad calls have happened for many years all over the state and I doubt they ever went back and changed the results after the game was completed. Does anyone know of a situation were they changed the winner in any sport at the Mn high school level?

Yes, If I remember right it was Mini-samples in Debate club. He took 2nd in the conference and felt it was a judging error. He argued long and feverishly for 5 nights and 6 days until it was finally overturned. He didn't even bring politics into the converstaion, thankfully.

[HShockeywatcher]

Alex will work Sartell anyway however it is still not right to Fergus. Should have been a goal. I think we can all agree that it was a blown call. Just found out from a relative on Sartells team who said their goalie immediately after admitted he thought it should have been a goal. Wow! See you Friday at the mac. Go Cards!

I think this forum is really funny. For a couple reasons.

1. I started a thread a couple years very similar to this about some bad reffing. Back then it was something discussed on here a lot more than now. 90% of people were defending the refs saying things like "if you think you can do do a better job, then you become a ref" and other comments, basically absolving the refs of responsibility for blown calls since they're human. Now it's the exact opposite. Refs make boneheaded calls day in and day out. It's part of the game.

This is why I think there should be people at these games evaluating the refs and stepping in if something completely incorrectly. But we don't have that, life goes on.

2. This is just like blaming a kicker for blowing the game. Both teams had 51 minutes of play before the OT to score more goals than the other. Neither did. If you are really needing a human error in OT to be reversed to win, then you are probably not worthy of moving on.

As was stated, the winner will make for a better 6A final game, but probably still won't go on much further than that. Oh well.

This is all hilarious. People make mistakes and don't own up. This is life. Grow up.

[defense]

Alex will work Sartell anyway however it is still not right to Fergus. Should have been a goal. I think we can all agree that it was a blown call. Just found out from a relative on Sartells team who said their goalie immediately after admitted he thought it should have been a goal. Wow! See you Friday at the mac. Go Cards!

I think this forum is really funny. For a couple reasons.

1. I started a thread a couple years very similar to this about some bad reffing. Back then it was something discussed on here a lot more than now. 90% of people were defending the refs saying things like "if you think you can do do a better job, then you become a ref" and other comments, basically absolving the refs of responsibility for blown calls since they're human. Now it's the exact opposite. Refs make boneheaded calls day in and day out. It's part of the game.

This is why I think there should be people at these games evaluating the refs and stepping in if something completely incorrectly. But we don't have that, life goes on.

2. This is just like blaming a kicker for blowing the game. Both teams had 51 minutes of play before the OT to score more goals than the other. Neither did. If you are really needing a human error in OT to be reversed to win, then you are probably not worthy of moving on.

As was stated, the winner will make for a better 6A final game, but probably still won't go on much further than that. Oh well.

This is all hilarious. People make mistakes and don't own up. This is life. Grow up.

If you don't like, don't read it...duh....

[fivehole628]

I think this forum is really funny. For a couple reasons.

1. I started a thread a couple years very similar to this about some bad reffing. Back then it was something discussed on here a lot more than now. 90% of people were defending the refs saying things like "if you think you can do do a better job, then you become a ref" and other comments, basically absolving the refs of responsibility for blown calls since they're human. Now it's the exact opposite. Refs make boneheaded calls day in and day out. It's part of the game.

This is why I think there should be people at these games evaluating the refs and stepping in if something completely incorrectly. But we don't have that, life goes on.

2. This is just like blaming a kicker for blowing the game. Both teams had 51 minutes of play before the OT to score more goals than the other. Neither did. If you are really needing a human error in OT to be reversed to win, then you are probably not worthy of moving on.

As was stated, the winner will make for a better 6A final game, but probably still won't go on much further than that. Oh well.

This is all hilarious. People make mistakes and don't own up. This is life. Grow up.

If you don't like, don't read it...duh....

How about we just stop talking about it? It's in the past now.

[SCOUT 707]

Today a pretty reliable source said that Fergus Falls has been awarded the win, but was not allowed to move on......

I actually heard that to. I dont think that the HS board would be Dumb enough to do that. That would be like kicking a team in the nuts when the are already down. If they have the ball to come out and say ya you won but your seasons done. And then not do anything about it would say alot about that board. If I were them I would have stuck to what they originally said.

[adamp1914]

IMO, actually.. not just an opinion... The ref is was wrong.. It's a goal.

Nice to see them award the win to FF, but you also can't take anything away from the section champs now that it's this far past. It's a shame the right decision wasn't made immediately.

Knowing first hand what it's like to be so close to making it to state, I can imagine how the kids from FF feel right now. I hope that ref personally apologizes to all of those kids.

On a lighter note though, at least in 15 years when the question comes up asking, "Who was the only team to be eliminated from sectional playoffs without losing?", I'll know the answer.

[RLStars]

I heard from a guy that was supposedly watching from just behind the goal at the glass. He said that the puck went off the post and hit the goalie and I think everyone agrees that did happen. He also said that the Fergus player poked his stick into the goalies leg pad, which then pushed the puck into the net.

If that was the case, this is not "cut and dry" like mulefarm indicated. The offical could then deem that the second effort from the shooter caused the puck to cross the gol line and therefor, no goal is awarded.

Anyone have it on tape?

[adamp1914]

I heard from a guy that was supposedly watching from just behind the goal at the glass. He said that the puck went off the post and hit the goalie and I think everyone agrees that did happen. He also said that the Fergus player poked his stick into the goalies leg pad, which then pushed the puck into the net.

If that was the case, this is not "cut and dry" like mulefarm indicated. The offical could then deem that the second effort from the shooter caused the puck to cross the gol line and therefor, no goal is awarded.

Anyone have it on tape?

Wow.. That changes things entirely. I would love to see it on film.

[adamp1914]

hmm, I haven't really given this very much thought....

But, if it's true that they have awarded FF the win, how can you compensate for this while still being fair to alex?

Put FF in the tournament and let them play New Ulm tomorrow with the winner playing Breck on Wednesday like they would have anyway?

Just a random idea. Seems pretty fair to me.

I realize this would kinda bone the consolation bracket...

[inthestands]

These are the men responsible for not knowing the rules of hockey.

(Linesman) Harrison, Tyler
(Referee) Anderson, Bruce
(Referee) Knutsen, Eric

So which one made the bonehead call?

The MSHSL is hellbent on fairness. Where is their resolve in this situation?

What's worse than making the wrong call, is the board moderator allowing annonymous posters to list anyone's name here.

As I'm reading the latest posts, there is a chance the correct call was made after all. I wasn't there, and don't know if a mistake was made in the penalty shot call or not.

"The ref" posted the clearest rule interpretation out there. The only thing missing from that post was the possibility of the player taking the penalty shot, trying for a rebound which could have been the case here.

Wouldn't that be great if after all the back and forth, some of the details were wrong and in the end, the proper call was made?

[OGEE OGELTHORPE]

I was seated right behind the grassy knoll...the puck magically changed direction......perhaps there were more than 1 shooter.

[inthestands]

I'll tell you what's out of bounds. Out of Bounds is an arrogant Ref not bothering to check the rules when 1,000 fans/coaches/players are screaming at him to do so; blowing the call and not giving a flying flip what people think. Also ... their names were made public online. They deserved to be punished to an extent that they learn a lesson here!

Junior,
After talking with the head of the officals association, the play was not as black and white as you stated. Your statements about these officals is uncalled for. Please post your real name so you can be punished and learn a lesson.

Hey mulefarm, don't you think somebody ought to take responsibility for their mistake? The officials in this game were at a public event, performing public duties and and making public decisions which affected the dreams of many young men since they were old enough to skate. Their names were made public on the internet long before I posted them here on minnhock.

Perhaps it is not their fault - and I have said this in previous posts when I admonished the MSHSL. If many of us here on the Forum had our way, I'm sure we would love to publish the names of those in the MSHSL who made the decision to "not make it right". There are consequences for those who do not follow the rules.

WHY IS THERE NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE? This is the PROBLEM with our own country. The bailouts, the mortgage crisis - but I won't get into that here. I really don't blame the officials, I blame the MSHSL for not reversing the decision because that was the right thing to do. Do you disagree with that?

You want to take me out to the ballpark? Then publish your name here too Buddy so I know who I'm going to the game with.

Junior, what if the right call was made?

[SCOUT 707]

When I was at the game it did not look like their was any chance that he could posibly get his own rebound. There is no way that he touched the puck after the shot was made. # 19 for fergus a Left handed shot came in way on the left side of the golie. He made it look like he was going to cut across the net and try to go make a move to his backhand and to the far side net. When he got the the center area of the net he pulled the puck back behind him. ( to his left as he is skating to the right) The golie was sliding to the right side as 19 was skating that way. 19 took the shot and you could see it hit the post go of the golies back and into the net.

[adamp1914]

Scratch previously posted idea.. wouldn't be fair to new ulm to have to play an extra game when they were legit in making it there.

[RLStars]

When I was at the game it did not look like their was any chance that he could posibly get his own rebound. There is no way that he touched the puck after the shot was made. # 19 for fergus a Left handed shot came in way on the left side of the golie. He made it look like he was going to cut across the net and try to go make a move to his backhand and to the far side net. When he got the the center area of the net he pulled the puck back behind him. ( to his left as he is skating to the right) The golie was sliding to the right side as 19 was skating that way. 19 took the shot and you could see it hit the post go of the golies back and into the net.

Home about poke at the goalies leg, any chance of that?

[adamp1914]

When I was at the game it did not look like their was any chance that he could posibly get his own rebound. There is no way that he touched the puck after the shot was made. # 19 for fergus a Left handed shot came in way on the left side of the golie. He made it look like he was going to cut across the net and try to go make a move to his backhand and to the far side net. When he got the the center area of the net he pulled the puck back behind him. ( to his left as he is skating to the right) The golie was sliding to the right side as 19 was skating that way. 19 took the shot and you could see it hit the post go of the golies back and into the net.

Home about poke at the goalies leg, any chance of that?

Doesn't seem like poking at the goalie's leg while you are moving across the net to the right while the puck is across on the other side of the goalie to the left would make any difference at all.

Again though, I would love to see video of it.