Duluth Area Hockey 2010-2011

[HSH1212]

Next year will be an interesting year because of the Red Plan.

I did a similar thread last year in which I predicted the enrollment of the soon to be merged high schools (3 to 2).

As of March 2010, the students in each high school are:
Duluth East: 1304
Duluth Denfeld: 913
Duluth Central: 853

edit: Here's the source: http://www.duluth.k12.mn.us/education/s ... h_2010.pdf


If Central was split in half, the resulting enrollments would be:
Duluth East: 1731
Duluth Denfeld: 1340

I know it won't be a perfect split but you would think that the school board would split the schools in a way that would make sense. Perhaps the split will send more Central kids to Denfeld to even out the enrollment difference between East and Denfeld.

The relivance of this to the thread remains: How will it affect hockey? The new Denfeld, if my numbers are close and Denfeld doesn't get more of the Central students, is below the enrollment limit of 1359 for A hockey so they could remain A. Meanwhile, East High School would be required to remain AA - not that they would go down anyway. Everything I have heard is that Denfeld would go AA. So will the Hunters for sure be AA next year?

I also was wondering what people have heard about the coaching positions? Will Randolph get the East job and Smalley the Denfeld or may the School Board hire different people?

Finally, what is the affect of this on kids? I'm sure there are parents mad about the Red Plan but I would think those interested in leaving the district would be younger kids, not older kids who are established at high schools and in the hockey programs. It seems likely that Duluth Marshall and Hermantown may get the kids (some of which may be hockey players) of angry parents out of this deal (especially since there are 20 less spots for hockey in Duluth).

So lets hear it.

[Goldfishdude]

Since I am not from that area, let me pose a question or two...

Do the existing school buildings have the room to support the extra students?

[east hockey]

Since I am not from that area, let me pose a question or two...

Do the existing school buildings have the room to support the extra students?

Can't speak for Central, but 1,731 at East is really pushing it. We had 1,500+ when I was there (just before the Oregon trail was completed ) and they needed several "satellite" classrooms set up apart from the main building. I don't know if the current curriculum would dictate more or less room than what existed back in those days.

I would think that more of the Denfeld kids would attend Central than attend East, so the split might be more along the lines of 1600-1470, or some such numbers. I haven't seen how the boundaries will or are set up so far as determining where students will be assigned, how much leeway in changing schools, etc.

It'll be messy but it'll be a short-term mess until the new high schools (not really new, but massively refurbished) are completed.

Lee

[mj79]

Since I am not from that area, let me pose a question or two...

Do the existing school buildings have the room to support the extra students?

Can't speak for Central, but 1,731 at East is really pushing it. We had 1,500+ when I was there (just before the Oregon trail was completed ) and they needed several "satellite" classrooms set up apart from the main building. I don't know if the current curriculum would dictate more or less room than what existed back in those days.

I would think that more of the Denfeld kids would attend Central than attend East, so the split might be more along the lines of 1600-1470, or some such numbers. I haven't seen how the boundaries will or are set up so far as determining where students will be assigned, how much leeway in changing schools, etc.

It'll be messy but it'll be a short-term mess until the new high schools (not really new, but massively refurbished) are completed.

Lee

isnt the new East gonna be the new"er" part of ordean in front Then a huge new addition? Its gonna be so weird seeing east hs at ordean...

[PiedmontHeights]

Since I am not from that area, let me pose a question or two...

Do the existing school buildings have the room to support the extra students?

Won't matter. Denfeld is getting a huge addition and East will be on the site where Ordean Middle School used to be plus an addition. There will be plenty of room for the extra students. Denfeld will actually be closed for the 2010-2011 school year to finish the addition and renovation. All of the kids will go to Central during this time and then move back to Denfeld for the 2011-2012 school year. Central will then permanently close.

[PiedmontHeights]

Next year will be an interesting year because of the Red Plan.

I did a similar thread last year in which I predicted the enrollment of the soon to be merged high schools (3 to 2).

As of March 2010, the students in each high school are:
Duluth East: 1304
Duluth Denfeld: 913
Duluth Central: 853

If Central was split in half, the resulting enrollments would be:
Duluth East: 1731
Duluth Denfeld: 1340

I know it won't be a perfect split but you would think that the school board would split the schools in a way that would make sense. Perhaps the split will send more Central kids to Denfeld to even out the enrollment difference between East and Denfeld.

The relivance of this to the thread remains: How will it affect hockey? The new Denfeld, if my numbers are close and Denfeld doesn't get more of the Central students, is below the enrollment limit of 1359 for A hockey so they could remain A. Meanwhile, East High School would be required to remain AA - not that they would go down anyway. Everything I have heard is that Denfeld would go AA. So will the Hunters for sure be AA next year?

I also was wondering what people have heard about the coaching positions? Will Randolph get the East job and Smalley the Denfeld or may the School Board hire different people?

Finally, what is the affect of this on kids? I'm sure there are parents mad about the Red Plan but I would think those interested in leaving the district would be younger kids, not older kids who are established at high schools and in the hockey programs. It seems likely that Duluth Marshall and Hermantown may get the kids (some of which may be hockey players) of angry parents out of this deal (especially since there are 20 less spots for hockey in Duluth).

So lets hear it.

Where did you get your numbers? According to the MSHSL website, Denfeld has 774 students 9-12 (http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schoolpage2.asp?school=133) and East has 1205 in 9-12 (http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schoolpage2.asp?school=134). Then it says Central's 9-12 enrollment (they actually have grades 7-12 there, but only those in 9-12 will go to the two new high schools) is 788 (http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schoolpage2.asp?school=132). I've heard that Denfeld will get in excess of 2/3 the Central students.

When I graduated from Denfeld a little over 10 years ago, we had about 240 in our class and I know it's gotten quite a bit smaller since then. I've heard that Denfeld will be in AA, but that extremely second-hand.

[ranger4life]

I am about 80% sure that Denfeld has to move to AA next year, although the actual Denfeld high school will be under construction and the kids will be going to Central. So I'm not sure if for one year they will be Duluth Central, and then moving forward they will be Denfeld. Either way when the section reallignment occurs hopefully we lose Andover or Elk River. Personally I'd like to see Andover go just for the fact that they would be able to build better rivalries with anoka, blaine, coon rapids since they are all part of the same school district.

[HSH1212]

Here's the source for the numbers:
http://www.duluth.k12.mn.us/education/s ... h_2010.pdf

[HSH1212]

bump.

[karl(east)]

An explanation of the difference between the school district and the MSHSL's enrollment numbers: they make an adjustment based on the number of free/reduced lunch kids a school has for the MSHSL figure. They only count those students as 1/4 of a non-free/reduced lunch student, as they are far less likely to be able to afford the costs of a sport (particularly hockey). This way, schools with large student bodies but without the means to play sports are not "penaltized" and forced to play in a higher class.

I definitely expect the majority of the Central students to go to Denfeld, especially next year since the new East building won't be done and, as Lee noted, there isn't a whole lot of room in the current East building. So I'm reasonably sure Central/Denfeld will be AA next year, though I am less sure about how it will be after that, once they're in the final buildings.

On the issue of how it will affect the kids, I believe Hermantown is full, so no one can open enroll there. And I think a lot of the anti-Red Plan anger will blow over. It's going to be a mess for another year, but after that I think parents will warm to it when they see the nice new-and-improved buildings they're getting (they might still rant about the taxes and the process, but they won't be taking their kids out of the district because of the facilities).

The coaches will be determined in the next few weeks, according to a reliable source. We shall see if there will be any drama and intrigue surrounding the jobs.

[mnwild5]

"Cenden Hunjans". " Cenden Hunting Trojans". or maybe" Trojan hunters"

What a mess sad situation..

[Black Ice]

A couple of ?s:

1) With the enrollment at 788 why are they closing Central? That's still a fairly sizable high school.

and the far more important question :

2) How much will this improve the hockey teams at East and Denfeld?

[HSH1212]

A couple of ?s:

1) With the enrollment at 788 why are they closing Central? That's still a fairly sizable high school.

and the far more important question :

2) How much will this improve the hockey teams at East and Denfeld?

Central's enrollment is 913, not 788.

1) Central is closing because the school board wants to consolidate schools all across the board at Elementary, Middle, and High School levels. The reason: it's supposed to save the district money for a falling enrollment. It costs a lot but most sane people will realize that Duluth needs to move forward with this. We are a declining rust belt city and three high schools are not needed. Not suprisingly, a lot in the Central camp are mad over the move.

Originally, East was on the chopping block if I remember right, but eventually, the Duluth School board settled on a plan that would have a high school in East End and a high school in West End. Central only would have made sense given a one school option (because it would have been centrally located). It actually is the nicest site of all the three high schools and I was one of the few in Duluth that wanted us to move to one high school. But given the long history of East vs West sterotypes and social divisons, this would have been hard. Of course, going from 3 to 1 is asking Duluth residents aganist the plan to go from no cooperation to rioting mode.

2) Little. Central, and no offense to this program, is just not on the caliber of Denfeld and certaintly not on the caliber of East. This is, after the loss of tradition of Central, the biggest frustration (in my opinion); there are less spots in Duluth for kids playing on sports teams. At hockey, maybe 1-4 Central kids would have made Denfeld and none would have made East. Now, if only they moved to one high school , then Duluth would really be power (even though most kids would be from East, there are quite a bit of quality Denfeld players that would have made East and made East a state contender).