Final Section playoff is joke

[The51]

Come on man, the current sectional play is a joke. It is either Moorhead or Roseua or East or Elk out of the north. Okay, leave these sections to compete, but in the metro, this needs to be re organized. The Minnesota State Hockey Tournament needs to re-configure Section playoffs base upon metro rankings. One A needs to have out metro teams competing and not Metro private schools. Teams like Breck, Blake, Grace and St. Thomas need to compete at the AA level. And at the AA level, teams like Apple Valley and Lakeville North needs to play through some metro teams. Bottom line, the State High School tournament is NOT a true representative of the top teams.

Hey Lakeviewing.....look out for those sub par lake teams...upsets are what make this tourney great. I don't expect the Tonka / North game to be similar but North got to the x via an upset just like AV advancing to the semi's.

The Moorhead and Roseau statement is true but the Elk River one is not. In 2006 it was Rapids, 2007: Rapids again, 2008: Cloquet, 2009: East, 2010: East. And personally I like that it is NOT a true representative of the top teams, then you get smaller communities involved, and also have chances for big upsets. This way every team in the state has somewhat of a chance to make it to state.

Those teams still would have a chance at making it to state, I actually like this guys idea a lot. Leave Roseau and Moorhead in section 8, Duluth East, Elk River, Grand Rapids, Cloquet in 7. But then spread the rest out over 1-6

[RFFalcon22]

Since when are Eagan and Woodbury not considered "metro"....somebody get Lakeviewing a map - and some tissues!!!

[DuluthHockeyBoy]

I'm curious: is Apple Valley good enough to be in the State Tournament now? or do they need to win another game to deserve it?
Maybe its just me, but I think that game was more fun to watch than if EP or Wayzata had played Blaine and won.
Its what the tournament is all about, and its why 70,000+ people come to watch it, and only a few hundred watch the Schwanns. Plenty of other stuff for the AdvancedTripleASelectElite crowd.
It's a HIGH SCHOOL sport, and it represents the best from AROUND the state.
And it's magic because of this.

[Hoops]

I'm curious: is Apple Valley good enough to be in the State Tournament now? or do they need to win another game to deserve it?
Maybe its just me, but I think that game was more fun to watch than if EP or Wayzata had played Blaine and won.Its what the tournament is all about, and its why 70,000+ people come to watch it, and only a few hundred watch the Schwanns. Plenty of other stuff for the AdvancedTripleASelectElite crowd.
It's a HIGH SCHOOL sport, and it represents the best from AROUND the state.
And it's magic because of this.

That's a big IF too..

[BigWorm]

How about these sections? I say just change 2AA-6AA, if you take away 1AA no team from the south would stand a chance of making it to St. Paul. Also adjusting 2AA-6AA wouldn't cost schools much more traveling expenses because no one from the metro would ever have to travel to Rochester. Bold Teams would be contenders to go every year.

SECTION 2AA:

Bloom. Jefferson, Bloom. Kennedy, Park of Cottage Grove, Chaska, Edina, Holy Angels, Prior Lake, Shakopee.

SECTION 3AA:

Apple Valley, Cretin-Derham Hall, Eagan, Eastview, Hastings, Cooper, Burnsville, Rosemount, Woodbury.

SECTION 4AA:

Hill-Murray, Mounds View, N St Paul, St Paul Saints, St Paul Como Park, Benilde-St. Margaret's, Stillwater, Tartan, White Bear Lake.

SECTION 5AA:

Anoka, Blaine, Centennial, Champlin Park, Coon Rapids, Irondale, Maple Grove, Wayzata, Osseo.

SECTION 6AA:

Armstrong, North Metro, Roseville, Eden Prairie, Henry Sibley, Minnetonka, Mpls East, Mpls West, Hopkins.

These definitely aren't perfect but it would help minimize the chances of "monopolies" in 4AA and 5AA, while leaving the other sections pretty competitive. Like I said before ,they aren't perfect, just a thought, What do you think?

[summer]

How about these sections? I say just change 2AA-6AA, if you take away 1AA no team from the south would stand a chance of making it to St. Paul. Also adjusting 2AA-6AA wouldn't cost schools much more traveling expenses because no one from the metro would ever have to travel to Rochester. Bold Teams would be contenders to go every year.

SECTION 2AA:

Bloom. Jefferson, Bloom. Kennedy, Park of Cottage Grove, Chaska, Edina, Holy Angels, Prior Lake, Shakopee.

SECTION 3AA:

Apple Valley, Cretin-Derham Hall, Eagan, Eastview, Hastings, Cooper, Burnsville, Rosemount, Woodbury.

SECTION 4AA:

Hill-Murray, Mounds View, N St Paul, St Paul Saints, St Paul Como Park, Benilde-St. Margaret's, Stillwater, Tartan, White Bear Lake.

SECTION 5AA:

Anoka, Blaine, Centennial, Champlin Park, Coon Rapids, Irondale, Maple Grove, Wayzata, Osseo.

SECTION 6AA:

Armstrong, North Metro, Roseville, Eden Prairie, Henry Sibley, Minnetonka, Mpls East, Mpls West, Hopkins.

These definitely aren't perfect but it would help minimize the chances of "monopolies" in 4AA and 5AA, while leaving the other sections pretty competitive. Like I said before ,they aren't perfect, just a thought, What do you think?

I'm sure there can always be some tinkering. Your plan has a possible 5 teams from the Lake/Classic Lake conferences making the tournament, more than the 4 this year. A long way from when they only had one.

[stilly5hm3]

granted 4aa is usually represented by hill murray I would argue that the section is still competive with white bear, roseville, stillwater and tartan threatening to knock hm off their high horse.

[royals03]

I think we should just hand pick the teams that go to state Or maybe whoever the highest bidder is ya let's have an auction and then that money can be used for our schools to waste

[east hockey]

I think we should just hand pick the teams that go to state Or maybe whoever the highest bidder is ya let's have an auction and then that money can be used for our schools to waste

Use PageStat, eliminate the section playoffs! Wait, scratch that...use Mitch's system. It's better.

Lee

[edinahornetkid24]

Some how the Minnesota State Hockey League to figure out how to get the top High School hockey teams to play off in the State Tournament. This would be good for additional revenue and attendence. Sorry that Section 2 and 6 have the top rated teams. Over the past years, the metro teams have dominated. Sections 2 and 6 truely have had superior teams, but only two teams represent this section. Lets mix in some the the Section 2 and 6 teams into the other Sectional play. Teams like Burnsville, Eagan, White Bear, Anoka, Cennential, Hopkins, Woodbury and so on have very good teams, but given their sections have a tough section to play though. A Rochester, Lakeville like teams shouldn't in the Class 2AA sections.

First of all, the teams you listed are really not that good, and Lakeville('s) are in 1AA not 2AA. Also this doesn't really make sense, there are other good teams coming from different sections, Hill Murray, Duluth East, Blaine, Roseau, almost all of these could beat Burnsville, Eagan, White Bear, Anoka, Cennential, Hopkins, and Woodbury. You seriously need to check your facts.

[The51]

Some how the Minnesota State Hockey League to figure out how to get the top High School hockey teams to play off in the State Tournament. This would be good for additional revenue and attendence. Sorry that Section 2 and 6 have the top rated teams. Over the past years, the metro teams have dominated. Sections 2 and 6 truely have had superior teams, but only two teams represent this section. Lets mix in some the the Section 2 and 6 teams into the other Sectional play. Teams like Burnsville, Eagan, White Bear, Anoka, Cennential, Hopkins, Woodbury and so on have very good teams, but given their sections have a tough section to play though. A Rochester, Lakeville like teams shouldn't in the Class 2AA sections.

First of all, the teams you listed are really not that good, and Lakeville('s) are in 1AA not 2AA. Also this doesn't really make sense, there are other good teams coming from different sections, Hill Murray, Duluth East, Blaine, Roseau, almost all of these could beat Burnsville, Eagan, White Bear, Anoka, Cennential, Hopkins, and Woodbury. You seriously need to check your facts.

notice how you didnt say they could beat wayzata, eden prairie, jefferson.

[Lakeviewing]

This is all I am talking about. Sections need to be adjusted. We can't have two mid level Lake Conference teams of Apple Valley and Lakeville make the State Tournament just because they replay in a below average Sectional playoffs when teams like Jefferson, Eagan, Burnsville, EP, Wayzata, Hopkins has to beat each other up in their sectional play. And in a other note, St. Thomas, Blake, and Breck should be in AA instead of singe A. The single A teams should be for out of the metro teams.

If you want to change sections so that the best teams in the state don't play each other, what are you going to do? Change the assignments every couple of years? That's retarded.

They do re-assign sections every two years. It happens again this spring.

This year the fix is easy and works geographically:

-Pull Wayzata out of 6AA and send them up to 5AA.
-Pull Burnsville out of 2AA into 3AA (Would a BV/AV playoff game be any fun?)
-Send either BSM or AHA (maybe both) over the river to play Hill Murray. Let those guys beat on each other.
-In each case, the team leaving would be swapped for a mid-strength team.

[h-m fan]

Is anyone going to say that this year's tournament was a dissapointment?? I would say no with a lot of enthusiasm.

[The51]

How about these sections? I say just change 2AA-6AA, if you take away 1AA no team from the south would stand a chance of making it to St. Paul. Also adjusting 2AA-6AA wouldn't cost schools much more traveling expenses because no one from the metro would ever have to travel to Rochester. Bold Teams would be contenders to go every year.

SECTION 2AA:

Bloom. Jefferson, Bloom. Kennedy, Park of Cottage Grove, Chaska, Edina, Holy Angels, Prior Lake, Shakopee.

SECTION 3AA:

Apple Valley, Cretin-Derham Hall, Eagan, Eastview, Hastings, Cooper, Burnsville, Rosemount, Woodbury.

SECTION 4AA:

Hill-Murray, Mounds View, N St Paul, St Paul Saints, St Paul Como Park, Benilde-St. Margaret's, Stillwater, Tartan, White Bear Lake.

SECTION 5AA:

Anoka, Blaine, Centennial, Champlin Park, Coon Rapids, Irondale, Maple Grove, Wayzata, Osseo.

SECTION 6AA:

Armstrong, North Metro, Roseville, Eden Prairie, Henry Sibley, Minnetonka, Mpls East, Mpls West, Hopkins.

These definitely aren't perfect but it would help minimize the chances of "monopolies" in 4AA and 5AA, while leaving the other sections pretty competitive. Like I said before ,they aren't perfect, just a thought, What do you think?

when do they redo the sections?

[BigWorm]

when do they redo the sections?

The summer before the 2011-2012 season I believe.

[Lakeviewing]

This years State Teams. Sorry, having Lakeville and Apple Valley team represent our top eight teams is a joke. First of all, these teams got their due to their section playoffs. Good for them, however, this is a poor thinking of evening section play offs is bad for attendence and thinking the MSL is getting the top teams to the State Tournment level of play. Come on, Apple Valley and Lakeville were middle teams in the Lake Conferance, but made it to State based upon their Section.

Is anyone going to say that this year's tournament was a dissapointment?? I would say no with a lot of enthusiasm.

[DubCHAGuy]

This years State Teams. Sorry, having Lakeville and Apple Valley team represent our top eight teams is a joke. First of all, these teams got their due to their section playoffs. Good for them, however, this is a poor thinking of evening section play offs is bad for attendence and thinking the MSL is getting the top teams to the State Tournment level of play. Come on, Apple Valley and Lakeville were middle teams in the Lake Conferance, but made it to State based upon their Section.

Is anyone going to say that this year's tournament was a dissapointment?? I would say no with a lot of enthusiasm.

3AA isn't bad. Apple Valley pulled 3 upsets in a row before giving Edina a very good game in the semi's. How many other #4 seeds (in sections) could do that?

Yes, perhaps Holy Angels. We get it, 2AA is good. Point being you can arrange sections however you want there will be upsets. This year only 9 of 16 teams who were #1 seeds in their sections made it to State.

[hockeydad]

when do they redo the sections?

The summer before the 2011-2012 season I believe.

If they follow what they've done in the past few cycles, the new sections will be annuonced about this time next year.

[halla]

Here's my idea. Play out the regular season each year. Then when the regular season is finished, we'll have Lakeviewing draw up the sections in a way that will guarantee the top 8 teams make it to state.

[Goldy Gopher]

This years State Teams. Sorry, having Lakeville and Apple Valley team represent our top eight teams is a joke. First of all, these teams got their due to their section playoffs. Good for them, however, this is a poor thinking of evening section play offs is bad for attendence and thinking the MSL is getting the top teams to the State Tournment level of play. Come on, Apple Valley and Lakeville were middle teams in the Lake Conferance, but made it to State based upon their Section.

Is anyone going to say that this year's tournament was a dissapointment?? I would say no with a lot of enthusiasm.

You must be really rattled that AV was a top four team in the state.

Now wadda ya think? Wadda ya think about that?

[The51]

This years State Teams. Sorry, having Lakeville and Apple Valley team represent our top eight teams is a joke. First of all, these teams got their due to their section playoffs. Good for them, however, this is a poor thinking of evening section play offs is bad for attendence and thinking the MSL is getting the top teams to the State Tournment level of play. Come on, Apple Valley and Lakeville were middle teams in the Lake Conferance, but made it to State based upon their Section.

Is anyone going to say that this year's tournament was a dissapointment?? I would say no with a lot of enthusiasm.

You must be really rattled that AV was a top four team in the state.

Now wadda ya think? Wadda ya think about that?

Apple Valley had a good goalie.. they were not a top 10 team. They lost to Jefferson 10-3. Without Gretz that team would have gone no where

[Goldy Gopher]

This years State Teams. Sorry, having Lakeville and Apple Valley team represent our top eight teams is a joke. First of all, these teams got their due to their section playoffs. Good for them, however, this is a poor thinking of evening section play offs is bad for attendence and thinking the MSL is getting the top teams to the State Tournment level of play. Come on, Apple Valley and Lakeville were middle teams in the Lake Conferance, but made it to State based upon their Section.

You must be really rattled that AV was a top four team in the state.

Now wadda ya think? Wadda ya think about that?

Apple Valley had a good goalie.. they were not a top 10 team. They lost to Jefferson 10-3. Without Gretz that team would have gone no where

Last time I checked the goalie is just as much a part of the team as any forward or defenseman....I might have to check again.

[The51]

You must be really rattled that AV was a top four team in the state.

Now wadda ya think? Wadda ya think about that?

Apple Valley had a good goalie.. they were not a top 10 team. They lost to Jefferson 10-3. Without Gretz that team would have gone no where

Last time I checked the goalie is just as much a part of the team as any forward or defenseman....I might have to check again.

that doesnt matter they still were not a top 10 team.

[Goldy Gopher]

Apple Valley had a good goalie.. they were not a top 10 team. They lost to Jefferson 10-3. Without Gretz that team would have gone no where

Last time I checked the goalie is just as much a part of the team as any forward or defenseman....I might have to check again.

that doesnt matter they still were not a top 10 team.

If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

[The51]

Last time I checked the goalie is just as much a part of the team as any forward or defenseman....I might have to check again.

that doesnt matter they still were not a top 10 team.

If taking fourth at state doesn't make a team top 10 in your mind, what does?

well for starters you should have a better record than 14-11, wouldnt expect them to lose to a team 10-3, and should definately beat eastview more than 2-1 and rosemount 4-3