PIONEER PRESS ALL-STATE TEAM

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:17 pm

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Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:10 pm

wbmd.... Being a fellow follower of the SEC, I find it very WRONG that Brandon Wahlin from White Bear Lake did not receive honorable mention.

Brandon tied for the conference lead in points with 44, and was second in goals with 21. I believe all three Cretin kids, Perron (44), Barbato (44) and Kinne (41) were on it.

Also include Max Gaede Woodbury (36), Wilson Housley (33)..

All season long, the Pioneer Press failed to have WBL stats in the paper among the scoring leaders.

In my opinion, Wahlin may very well be the most "exciting" player in the SEC with his puck handling skills and elusiveness. He also is an Elite I player, and was also smart enough to avoid the public embarassment of the hazing incident, and his stats potential suffered when he was asked to move from his forward position to become a defensemen during that four-game suspension. He registered only two points during that four-game stretch, whereas he averaged 2 pts a game otherwise.

I think this is a huge oversight, and now I have decided to cancel my subscription.

blueblood · Post by **blueblood** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:46 pm

The top guys are all good picks. But, what's the deal with over 100 players being named honorable mention?

They should have just named every player from MN who played HS elite I last fall to the All State Honorable Mention "feel good team".

BTW - I'm with GFD, with that many players named, why not add one more to the list with Wahlin.....

nobama · Post by **nobama** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:49 pm

He is not even the best player on his team Birkenbine is the best on White Bear and he is a true 11th grader and a better player.

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:05 pm

nobama wrote:He is not even the best player on his team Birkenbine is the best on White Bear and he is a true 11th grader and a better player.

I am not quite sure the relevance of your post in regards to Birki and how that pertains to Wahlin being overlooked. Maybe if Max had made better choices and wouldn't have suffered a two-game suspension to start the season and wasn't involved with the 4-game hazing, I would have backed him. Hard to justify when 6 games are lost that aren't injury-related.

I won't argue that Max is an overall more complete player, but Wahlin's playmaking skills are what makes him so exciting to watch. Max is an incredible pure goal scorer, a strong kid and a legit candidate to play after high school, but that's not the point of my post. Birkibine didn't accumulate enough stats to warrant being selected, and stats are generally how players get selected, isn't it?? Unless, you're Mark Alt, of course.

My post was about how Wahlin got slighted over kids in the SEC he was equal to or better than stats wise. Birkinbine was equal to Housely in points with 6 less games.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:08 pm

What is a true 11th grader? Was Fick on the team, Hon ment? anything?

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:20 pm

old goalie85 wrote:What is a true 11th grader? Was Fick on the team, Hon ment? anything?

Wahlin took 8th grade twice, because his birthdate made him younger for his grade. By staying back, that made him the same grade level as all the kids he was playing hockey with. To illustrate, Bantam age is typically 8th and 9th grade, then first year of HS hockey is 10th grade. Wahlin would have been a second-year bantam in 10th grade. WBL currently has three sophomores who have done the exact thing.

I believe Fick and Kohls were both on it, but oldie, you will be thrilled to know that FLake goalie Christian Gaffy was 2nd team all-state. Congrats!!

WBLHockeyfan04 · Post by **WBLHockeyfan04** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:40 am

Goldfishdude wrote:wbmd.... Being a fellow follower of the SEC, I find it very WRONG that Brandon Wahlin from White Bear Lake did not receive honorable mention.

Brandon tied for the conference lead in points with 44, and was second in goals with 21. I believe all three Cretin kids, Perron (44), Barbato (44) and Kinne (41) were on it.

Also include Max Gaede Woodbury (36), Wilson Housley (33)..

All season long, the Pioneer Press failed to have WBL stats in the paper among the scoring leaders.

In my opinion, Wahlin may very well be the most "exciting" player in the SEC with his puck handling skills and elusiveness. He also is an Elite I player, and was also smart enough to avoid the public embarassment of the hazing incident, and his stats potential suffered when he was asked to move from his forward position to become a defensemen during that four-game suspension. He registered only two points during that four-game stretch, whereas he averaged 2 pts a game otherwise.

I think this is a huge oversight, and now I have decided to cancel my subscription.

I as well, am very disappointed about not seeing Wahlin's name listed for honorable mention. He had a great season, and I expect both him and Max to total around the 40-50 point mark next year.

On a side not, congrats to the players who did make the list.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:38 am

Goldfishdude wrote:wbmd.... Being a fellow follower of the SEC, I find it very WRONG that Brandon Wahlin from White Bear Lake did not receive honorable mention.

Brandon tied for the conference lead in points with 44, and was second in goals with 21. I believe all three Cretin kids, Perron (44), Barbato (44) and Kinne (41) were on it.

Also include Max Gaede Woodbury (36), Wilson Housley (33)..

All season long, the Pioneer Press failed to have WBL stats in the paper among the scoring leaders.

In my opinion, Wahlin may very well be the most "exciting" player in the SEC with his puck handling skills and elusiveness. He also is an Elite I player, and was also smart enough to avoid the public embarassment of the hazing incident, and his stats potential suffered when he was asked to move from his forward position to become a defensemen during that four-game suspension. He registered only two points during that four-game stretch, whereas he averaged 2 pts a game otherwise.

I think this is a huge oversight, and now I have decided to cancel my subscription.

White Bear stats weren't reported each week probably because Timmy (alias 'Bozo the clown') Sager never reported them. Only 'Bozo' knows for sure.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:41 am

Goldfishdude wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:What is a true 11th grader? Was Fick on the team, Hon ment? anything?
Wahlin took 8th grade twice, because his birthdate made him younger for his grade. By staying back, that made him the same grade level as all the kids he was playing hockey with. To illustrate, Bantam age is typically 8th and 9th grade, then first year of HS hockey is 10th grade. Wahlin would have been a second-year bantam in 10th grade. WBL currently has three sophomores who have done the exact thing.
I believe Fick and Kohls were both on it, but oldie, you will be thrilled to know that FLake goalie Christian Gaffy was 2nd team all-state. Congrats!!

Gotta love straight "A" students taking 8th grade over so they can play three years of HS hockey for Sager.

Watch out MN, the Bears are loading up for 2012.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:08 am

Thank you. That is two years in a row for goalies from Forest lake!!! Now back to this 8th grade thing. A parent can hold back an 8th grader who is getting passing grades?

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:16 am

old goalie85 wrote:Thank you. That is two years in a row for goalies from Forest lake!!! Now back to this 8th grade thing. A parent can hold back an 8th grader who is getting passing grades?

Sounds like 'Bozo the clown' (Tim Sager) had something to do with it.

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:18 am

old goalie85 wrote:Thank you. That is two years in a row for goalies from Forest lake!!! Now back to this 8th grade thing. A parent can hold back an 8th grader who is getting passing grades?

Here's how it works. My son is young for his grade. He is a July b-date and will be 17 when he graduates. We opted, like many do, to start him in school at the age of 5 (only 2 months after turning 5).. In fact, in his hockey age group, he, and maybe two others would have been second-year bantams as 10th graders, where all the rest were 9th graders.

So, these parents had their sons in public schools up thru 8th grade, and realizing that their early birth dates were a disadvantage, they opted to enroll the kids in a private school for 8th grade again, putting them within their normal age group as their teammates. It's not illegal, nor is it ethically wrong... but it worked, as two of the three kids saw playing time on varsity as sophs.

I asked my son if he wanted to do the same, plus, he is Catholic and is not active in the faith, and he said "Hell, NO!!" Leave it to Goldfishdude's son to have language like that!!!

keepmeoutofit · Post by **keepmeoutofit** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:31 am

25% of our student population is being held back Delay kindergarten or hold them back in 8th grade it adds up to the same thing.
The principle of our grade school asked if we wanted to hold our son back in 8th grade because he has a may birthday. he had straight a's but wasn't the strongest athlete.
no wonder our country lags in science and math.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:31 am

Does 4 selections from Rochester Century seem a bit odd no disrespect to those chosen but thats a lot of representation for one average team.

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:22 pm

This thread has become disturbing to say the least.

Holding strong academic students back a year to enable them to play HS sports. Is this something unique to a small WBL sect or metro wide?

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:33 pm

Goldfish- thanks for the explanation. We are just happy when our kids pass 8th grade up here.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:37 pm

I think its been going on for sometime and not just in hockey. Seems odd that this choice is being made when at the same time finishing school early and rushing into college hockey has become all the rage. Two opposite end of the spectrum I guess.

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:39 pm

Hope the Blaine kid has a better start than Aaron Ness.

Lucia was huge on using the USHL to develop his kids a year before stepping onto CC ice, now he is bringing in would be HS Seniors to play college hockey.

Nothing against Bjugstad - he should develop into a solid gopher and probably a NHLer. If truly 6'4" he has more potential than Ness ...

Is the fear that he will leave early anyways?

Does Bjugstad have any proven international experience, playing at higher levels than MN HS? He was shut-out in the state tourney.

This trend could end up being a flippin train wreck ....

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:52 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:I think its been going on for sometime and not just in hockey. Seems odd that this choice is being made when at the same time finishing school early and rushing into college hockey has become all the rage. Two opposite end of the spectrum I guess.

Bingo!!!!

The difference between draft picks, and the difference between dreamers.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:57 pm

Goldfishdude wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Thank you. That is two years in a row for goalies from Forest lake!!! Now back to this 8th grade thing. A parent can hold back an 8th grader who is getting passing grades?
Here's how it works. My son is young for his grade. He is a July b-date and will be 17 when he graduates. We opted, like many do, to start him in school at the age of 5 (only 2 months after turning 5).. In fact, in his hockey age group, he, and maybe two others would have been second-year bantams as 10th graders, where all the rest were 9th graders.

So, these parents had their sons in public schools up thru 8th grade, and realizing that their early birth dates were a disadvantage, they opted to enroll the kids in a private school for 8th grade again, putting them within their normal age group as their teammates. It's not illegal, nor is it ethically wrong... but it worked, as two of the three kids saw playing time on varsity as sophs.

I asked my son if he wanted to do the same, plus, he is Catholic and is not active in the faith, and he said "Hell, NO!!" Leave it to Goldfishdude's son to have language like that!!!

Did they go to a private school because the publics wouldn't allow them to repeat 8th grade? Are privates held to the "No Child Left Behind" rules? or is this just a public school mandate? Did they go there for the religion? education? or extra curricular activities? I think this forum had a poll once on these types of questions!

nickel slots · Post by **nickel slots** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:28 pm

BodyShots wrote:
Goldfishdude wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Thank you. That is two years in a row for goalies from Forest lake!!! Now back to this 8th grade thing. A parent can hold back an 8th grader who is getting passing grades?
Here's how it works. My son is young for his grade. He is a July b-date and will be 17 when he graduates. We opted, like many do, to start him in school at the age of 5 (only 2 months after turning 5).. In fact, in his hockey age group, he, and maybe two others would have been second-year bantams as 10th graders, where all the rest were 9th graders.

So, these parents had their sons in public schools up thru 8th grade, and realizing that their early birth dates were a disadvantage, they opted to enroll the kids in a private school for 8th grade again, putting them within their normal age group as their teammates. It's not illegal, nor is it ethically wrong... but it worked, as two of the three kids saw playing time on varsity as sophs.

I asked my son if he wanted to do the same, plus, he is Catholic and is not active in the faith, and he said "Hell, NO!!" Leave it to Goldfishdude's son to have language like that!!!
Did they go to a private school because the publics wouldn't allow them to repeat 8th grade? Are privates held to the "No Child Left Behind" rules? or is this just a public school mandate? Did they go there for the religion? education? or extra curricular activities? I think this forum had a poll once on these types of questions!

It also begs the question... what is better for the development of a borderline college prospect? An extra year of high school hockey, or an extra year of junior hockey?

Garry Bettman · Post by **Garry Bettman** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:55 pm

http://www.mlive.com/printer/printer.ss ... thispage=2

link to AP All-State........

Little bit different than Pioneer Press All-State.....
NIce change of subject hahaha

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:01 pm

keepmeoutofit wrote:25% of our student population is being held back Delay kindergarten or hold them back in 8th grade it adds up to the same thing.
The principle of our grade school asked if we wanted to hold our son back in 8th grade because he has a may birthday. he had straight a's but wasn't the strongest athlete.
no wonder our country lags in science and math.

It takes a true genius to figure out that our country lags in science and math because a couple kids take 8th grade twice. You must have been educated in a different country.

nobama · Post by **nobama** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:05 pm

I liked the repeat the 8th grade topic better.

The only thing this does is delay the inevitable.

And you also lose a year of junior B as well..

The Northern Lights or the Owls are great programs that fit the bill nicely for kids. They should not be redoing the 8th grade if they are a good student.