JUNIOR FEST 2010

[hockeya1a]

Junior fest is right around the corner so here are the stats leaders for juniors

Junior Points leaders

RK NAME (SCHOOL) GM GLS AST PTS
2 #20 Meghan Lorence, JR (Irondale) 30 50 36 86
4 #21 Abbie Lund, JR (Blake) 26 45 38 83
3 #7 Hillary Crowe, JR (Blake) 27 35 48 83
7 #6 Taylor Kuehl, JR (Mound-Westonka) 25 40 30 70
12 #23 Krystal Baumann, JR (Farmington) 21 41 17 58
13 #11 Morgan Fritz-Ward, JR (Lakeville South) 28 32 25 57
20 #12 Sami Reber, JR (Edina) 23 25 30 55
22 #15 Hannah Alexander, JR (Farmington) 19 20 34 54
23 #7 Rachael Bona, JR (Coon Rapids) 26 33 21 54
24 #9 Allie LaCombe, JR (Eden Prairie) 20 20 34 54
25 #10 Jordyn Burns, JR (Benilde-St. Margaret's) 21 31 21 52
26 #18 Rachael Kelly, JR (Rosemount) 27 31 20 51
29 #17 Allison Micheletti, JR (Rosemount) 28 25 25 50
32 #22 Shelby Veenker, JR (Windom Area) 24 31 17 48
41 #4 Kayla Mork, JR (Breck) 27 26 19 45
42 #44 Rachel Ramsey, JR (Minnetonka) 20 22 23 45
37 #6 Mara Post, JR (Lakeville South) 28 18 27 45
40 #8 Sam Moore, JR (Lakeville South) 28 19 26 45
48 #9 Morgan Olson, JR (Totino-Grace) 20 18 24 42
61 #14 Natalie Stoltz, JR (Mounds View) 21 24 16 40
65 #3 Bre Steele, JR (Eagan) 22 15 24 39
69 #20 Marissa Brandt, JR (Hill-Murray) 20 18 20 38
72 #21 Hallie Paschke, JR (New Prague) 25 13 24 37
78 #18 Audrey Hanmer, JR (Forest Lake) 16 17 18 35
80 #6 Kasey Evans , JR (Burnsville) 24 17 18 35
91 #19 Christie Brauer, JR (Edina) 19 17 17 34
95 #10 Samantha Knutson, JR (North St. Paul) 17 20 13 33
100 #7 Kelsey Vandegrift, JR (St. Paul Blades) 16 13 20 33
96 #8 Tara Baago, JR (Henry Sibley) 21 13 20 33
117 #14 Kasey Blomberg, JR (North Wright County) 16 20 11 31
120 #15 Alexandria Citrowske, JR (Prior Lake) 15 20 10 30
130 #10 Courtney Boucher, JR (Hastings) 27 15 14 29
127 #18 Afton Wiczek, JR (Andover) 19 17 12 29
134 #23 Nikki Erickson, JR (Rogers) 15 10 18 28
143 #4 Carolyn Draayer, JR (Minnetonka) 14 17 10 27
139 #9 Emily Snodgrass, JR (Eastview) 18 11 16 27
147 #15 Leah Johnson, JR (Chaska) 14 15 11 26
149 #19 Molly Sparks, JR (Eagan) 15 15 11 26
152 #4 Brittney Huneke, JR (Hastings) 26 10 16 26
158 #8 Lauren McMahon, JR (Eden Prairie) 12 11 14 25
171 #11 Ali Chulla, JR (South St. Paul) 15 12 12 24
163 #33 Sarah Tollefson, JR (Rosemount) 27 10 14 24
168 #4 Abigail New, JR (Holy Family Catholic/Waconia) 23 16 8 24
181 #10 Abby Ness, JR (Roseau) 9 12 11 23
180 #39 Madison Rogers, JR (St. Paul Blades) 14 16 7 23
177 #5 Delaney Middlebrook, JR (Visitation/SPA) 13 8 15 23
193 #0 Cassi Schreckenghaust, JR (Elk River/Zimmerman) 16 13 9 22
190 #14 Andrea Heller, JR (Tartan) 25 15 7 22
184 #17 Chloe Behm, JR (Minneapolis) 14 5 17 22
200 #6 Sarah Lent, JR (Robbinsdale Armstrong) 17 16 5 21
196 #8 Kristina Pilot, JR (Simley) 25 10 11 21
208 #19 Caroline Ponessa, JR (Totino-Grace) 24 4 16 20
216 #21 Caitlin Hewes, JR (Stillwater Area) 16 6 14 20
214 #3 Annie Gorman, JR (Red Wing) 14 6 14 20
227 #16 Samantha Berger, JR (St. Paul Blades) 13 11 8 19
223 #2 Paige Baldwin, JR (Minnetonka) 12 14 5 19
231 #26 Amanda Kane, JR (North St. Paul) 15 4 15 19
219 #9 Alex Ladd, JR (North Metro) 13 9 10 19
230 #9 Ashley McDonald, JR (North Wright County) 14 7 12 19
233 #4 Kalie Johnson, JR (Richfield) 11 14 4 18
243 #7 Emily Yetzer, JR (Lakeville North) 15 8 10 18
249 #10 Crysta Lowell, JR (White Bear Lake) 20 7 10 17
251 #19 Emily Severson, JR (Farmington) 12 12 5 17
248 #4 Greer Vogl, JR (Edina) 13 5 12 17
256 #7 Allie Olson, JR (North Wright County) 13 6 11 17
254 #8 Nicole Miller, JR (St. Francis/North Branch) 12 10 7 17
247 #9 Hilary Duda, JR (Wayzata) 12 6 11 17
287 #15 Jenessa Philipczyk, JR (Stillwater Area) 10 10 6 16
271 #16 Ellie Black, JR (Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato) 14 12 4 16
279 #17 Mallory Ryan, JR (Park of Cottage Grove) 26 6 10 16
273 #20 Alli O'Brien, JR (Stillwater Area) 13 9 7 16
282 #21 Lauren Schweppe, JR (Centennial) 13 3 13 16
276 #23 Dani Gish, JR (Henry Sibley) 12 6 10 16
272 #3 Mariah Ledeen, JR (North Metro) 14 10 6 16
314 #10 Megan Killmer , JR (Burnsville) 14 8 7 15
295 #10 Sophie DesLauriers, JR (Eastview) 10 4 11 15
303 #12 Bizzy Schmelzle, JR (Eden Prairie) 15 7 8 15
313 #26 Mackenzie Klimek, JR (Hastings) 27 5 10 15
311 #5 Amy Johnson, JR (Benilde-St. Margaret's) 10 4 11 15
296 #5 Dani Lobejko, JR (Coon Rapids) 26 8 7 15
328 #10 Alison Warweg, JR (Rosemount) 28 7 7 14
333 #19 Mackenzie Shannon, JR (Wayzata) 12 9 5 14
335 #29 Casey Hirsch, JR (Maple Grove) 6 6 8 14
326 #4 Erika Berndt, JR (Totino-Grace) 18 6 8 14
329 #8 Sally Thelen, JR (Apple Valley) 26 6 8 14
364 #14 Melissa Hanson, JR (Irondale) 9 6 7 13
352 #17 Alicia Kruse, JR (Eden Prairie) 8 5 8 13
348 #17 Alli Voce, JR (Princeton) 23 6 7 13
363 #2 Erin McNeil, JR (Chaska) 7 7 6 13
344 #7 Allie Anderson, JR (Shakopee) 10 7 6 13
339 #9 Mariah Gautsche, JR (Robbinsdale Cooper) 11 6 7 13
390 #10 April Weller, JR (South Washington County) 7 7 5 12
387 #14 Kelsey Kuester, JR (Prior Lake) 11 2 10 12
391 #15 Kelly Kotowicz, JR (St. Francis/North Branch) 8 6 6 12
373 #15 Kelly Meyer, JR (Eastview) 6 5 7 12
389 #15 Nikki Maffei, JR (Buffalo) 8 1 11 12
369 #15 Stephanie Schaber, JR (Blaine) 11 3 9 12
381 #16 Abbey Matheson, JR (Holy Family Catholic/Waconia) 24 5 7 12
388 #22 Emily Usset, JR (Henry Sibley) 11 1
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Junior Goalies leaders sorted by SOG cut off was 600 min

NAME (SCHOOL) GM W L T SOG GA SV SV% MIN SOG DIFF
#20 Shyler Sletta, JR (New Prague) 26 13 11 2 782 48 733 0.937 1352 -26%
#29 Kailey Gansen, JR (Shakopee) 25 13 11 0 760 62 698 0.918 1275 -3%
#33 Chloe Billadeau, JR (Blake) 28 20 7 1 698 55 643 0.921 1436 38%
#0 Samantha Geissler, JR (Elk River/Zimmerman) 27 22 2 3 647 38 609 0.941 1405 15%
#1 Chelsea Laden, JR (Lakeville South) 27 20 6 1 647 47 601 0.929 1357 46%
#30 Tiana Press, JR (Benilde-St. Margaret's) 23 16 5 2 604 37 567 0.939 1200 9%
#31 Rebecca Hendrickson, JR (Richfield) 15 5 8 1 564 49 515 0.913 754 NA
#35 Samantha Ubl, JR (Anoka) 21 10 10 1 559 46 513 0.918 1089 15%
#33 Stefanie Wical, JR (Hastings) 23 16 4 2 534 36 498 0.933 1212 -5%
#44 Kayla Kreuter, JR (North Metro) 18 8 8 2 514 45 469 0.913 964 10%
#1 ShelbyAmsley-Benzie , JR (Warroad) 29 27 1 1 511 14 497 0.973 1477 139%
#1 Jessie Johnson, JR (Champlin Park) 22 11 8 3 498 39 459 0.922 1166 48%
#1 Jule Friend, JR (Minnetonka) 22 13 4 4 438 24 414 0.945 1112 78%
#1 Emma Mavencamp, JR (North Wright County) *** 13 8 2 3 250 19 231 0.924 653 37%
#33 Ahsha Payne, JR (Breck) *** 13 11 2 0 218 9 209 0.959 662 83%
#32 Jenna Boss, JR (Roseville) *** 12 10 2 0 206 15 191 0.927 612 89%

Sorted by Shots on Goal
**** played under 700 minutes
SOG Diff Red Shows the percentage their team was out shot[/color]

[allhoc11]

Junior Goalies leaders sorted by SOG cut off was 600 min

NAME (SCHOOL) GM W L T SOG GA SV SV% MIN SOG DIFF
#20 Shyler Sletta, JR (New Prague) 26 13 11 2 782 48 733 0.937 1352 -26%
#29 Kailey Gansen, JR (Shakopee) 25 13 11 0 760 62 698 0.918 1275 -3%
#33 Chloe Billadeau, JR (Blake) 28 20 7 1 698 55 643 0.921 1436 38%
#0 Samantha Geissler, JR (Elk River/Zimmerman) 27 22 2 3 647 38 609 0.941 1405 15%
#1 Chelsea Laden, JR (Lakeville South) 27 20 6 1 647 47 601 0.929 1357 46%
#30 Tiana Press, JR (Benilde-St. Margaret's) 23 16 5 2 604 37 567 0.939 1200 9%
#31 Rebecca Hendrickson, JR (Richfield) 15 5 8 1 564 49 515 0.913 754 NA
#35 Samantha Ubl, JR (Anoka) 21 10 10 1 559 46 513 0.918 1089 15%
#33 Stefanie Wical, JR (Hastings) 23 16 4 2 534 36 498 0.933 1212 -5%
#44 Kayla Kreuter, JR (North Metro) 18 8 8 2 514 45 469 0.913 964 10%
#1 ShelbyAmsley-Benzie , JR (Warroad) 29 27 1 1 511 14 497 0.973 1477 139%
#1 Jessie Johnson, JR (Champlin Park) 22 11 8 3 498 39 459 0.922 1166 48%
#1 Jule Friend, JR (Minnetonka) 22 13 4 4 438 24 414 0.945 1112 78%
#1 Emma Mavencamp, JR (North Wright County) *** 13 8 2 3 250 19 231 0.924 653 37%
#33 Ahsha Payne, JR (Breck) *** 13 11 2 0 218 9 209 0.959 662 83%
#32 Jenna Boss, JR (Roseville) *** 12 10 2 0 206 15 191 0.927 612 89%

Sorted by Shots on Goal
**** played under 700 minutes
SOG Diff Red Shows the percentage their team was out shot[/color]

It's too bad you couldn't do a dual sort, first by save %, then Min Played. Looks like a pretty good goalie class, because there are a few good ones not on that list:

Ruevers Owatona
Turner Duluth
Morningstar Buffalo
Traut St. Cloud
Falk MBA
Barry Roseau
Stark Northfield
McKeever HM
Bassett SLP
Hansen Cent
Morris PHM
Abrahamson WBL
Johnson Champlin

[OntheEdge]

Junior fest is right around the corner so here are the stats leaders for juniors

Junior Points leaders

I don't know what you are trying to say Hockeya1a but stats are pretty meaningless by themselves.

Tell me:

In regards to skaters, (1) what's a reliable website to get the stats?; (2) how diligent the coach is in recording the stats and/or does the coach inflate stats; (3) the strength of schedule of the team of the girl with the stats; (4) whether or not the girl is relied on to score because she is on a weak team or if she plays on a well rounded team with multiple weapons; (5) does she play D or D/F or F/D or F; (6) etc.

In regards to goalies, what's the strength of schedule and strength of the team the goalie plays for (in other words is she getting peppered with good hard shots from the slot or is it the bad angle, floating, no chance of going in against a 3-year old variety).

[hockeya1a]

Junior fest is right around the corner so here are the stats leaders for juniors

Junior Points leaders

I don't know what you are trying to say Hockeya1a but stats are pretty meaningless by themselves.

Tell me:

In regards to skaters, (1) what's a reliable website to get the stats?; (2) how diligent the coach is in recording the stats and/or does the coach inflate stats; (3) the strength of schedule of the team of the girl with the stats; (4) whether or not the girl is relied on to score because she is on a weak team or if she plays on a well rounded team with multiple weapons; (5) does she play D or D/F or F/D or F; (6) etc.

In regards to goalies, what's the strength of schedule and strength of the team the goalie plays for (in other words is she getting peppered with good hard shots from the slot or is it the bad angle, floating, no chance of going in against a 3-year old variety).

You are very correct on the stats, I took from star and trib and yes they only as good as reported but that is what was available, a lot of variables

I Did not mean to leave anyone off or offend any one.

I did get the SOG for and Against for the goalies from Coaches site that is how the shot percentage diff came about, I would guess you could say that Sletta her team from New Prague faced the largest difference -26%, where as Amsley-Benzie from Warroads team out shot their opponent by 139% not that that means anything. but then again what does! it is just a different way to look at goalie stats

[hockeylife,mylife]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

[donomuch]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

WOW

I believe he said he used the stats available from one (widely accessed and user friendly) source. Go ahead country genius and post the rest.

[hockeya1a]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

In a perfect world all of the coaches would use the coaches site or at least ONE site for everyone,

But I believe the Coaches choose not to enter info for whatever reason,

So I guess I would suggest to you Mylife, is that you go talk to your coach and ask him or her to enter the data next year or better yet you do it. But of all the websites that are available none are 100%complete. Like I said I did not mean to offend anyone!

[royals dad]

Thanks a1a! I really like the SOG Diff for the goalies. It is an interesting way to look at it. I don't know if there really is a stat that can tell you who the best goalie is. Sometimes a low number of shots is an indicator of a good team in front of her, sometimes it means they play poor competition, and for the really good ones it means they give few 2nd chances. You have to get out a see a few games to really know who is on top of their game. Next season should be a fun year to watch the senior goalies.

[DANCINHOCKEYDAD]

Agreed, there seems to be a large number of very good goalies coming out of the 2011 class. I heard there was 40 goalies trying out for Junior fest. Is that true?

[OntheEdge]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

In a perfect world all of the coaches would use the coaches site or at least ONE site for everyone,

But I believe the Coaches choose not to enter info for whatever reason,

So I guess I would suggest to you Mylife, is that you go talk to your coach and ask him or her to enter the data next year or better yet you do it. But of all the websites that are available none are 100%complete. Like I said I did not mean to offend anyone!

No offense taken a1a. I just wanted to make the point that stats without context can be deceiving (even with context they can be deceiving in the right hands ) . I think your SOG is a good start but I think you could go into more depth. I too think the 2011 goalie class is very strong, and IMO has more depth than the last 2 classes.

[OntheEdge]

Agreed, there seems to be a large number of very good goalies coming out of the 2011 class. I heard there was 40 goalies trying out for Junior fest. Is that true?

I don't know if its 40 but I heard it was a lot. I don't know the answer but some people were saying that there were 30-40 goalies trying out for 10-12 goalie spots and 230 skaters trying out for about 120 spots. I wouldn't be shocked if it is true because last weekend there were 4 groups trying out (approx 25-30 skaters and 6-7 goalies in each group) plus there are many more that are using the 93-NDP Spring Festival as their tryout. I was also told that the evaluators said that there would be two tiers again this year.

[hockeygroupie]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

WOW

I believe he said he used the stats available from one (widely accessed and user friendly) source. Go ahead country genius and post the rest.

There are a ton of jrs missing on this list. Looking on the coaches website which is probably the best source, you cannot decipher the players school year as in a sort, so maybe to not offend anyone don't list names.

[observer]

It appears the girls will migrate to the new Web site for the 2010-2011 season. The site is awesome and has a lot of capability.

www.mghca.com

I would like to see a field to sort by grade though. That's one little shortcoming on the boys site too.

www.mnhockeyhub.com

[hockeya1a]

It appears the girls will migrate to the new Web site for the 2010-2011 season. The site is awesome and has a lot of capability.

www.mghca.com

I would like to see a field to sort by grade though. That's one little shortcoming on the boys site too.

www.mnhockeyhub.com

If I am not mistaken the MGHCA the year prior had better sort capabilities this last year was not as good but the Startrib site at least had Grades available, at least the majority. They are still a work in progress,

[royals dad]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

WOW

I believe he said he used the stats available from one (widely accessed and user friendly) source. Go ahead country genius and post the rest.

There are a ton of jrs missing on this list. Looking on the coaches website which is probably the best source, you cannot decipher the players school year as in a sort, so maybe to not offend anyone don't list names.

I would rather see people suggest some names to add rather than get offended. If you look at this list and get all upset and start calling people names then maybe you should stick to the boys or junior gold forum. If you see for example Ramsey from Tonka is not on the list you could post something such as "I think Ramsey would be a good addition as she is a strong skater and has a really good shot and had 70 points (just made that up for the example) in her junior season". That way you add to the information on the forum. If you post "you missed the best player in the state you are an idiot that hates Tonka". You just flamed someone without adding any value.


By the way I would add Fransdahl on defense from Hopkins, she doesn't put up a lot of points but she is a really strong stay home defender who has unreal plus minus numbers. Teams seldom score when she is on the ice.

[OntheEdge]

Didn't occur to you their isnt a single player north of hwy 10. city-idiots

WOW

I believe he said he used the stats available from one (widely accessed and user friendly) source. Go ahead country genius and post the rest.

There are a ton of jrs missing on this list. Looking on the coaches website which is probably the best source, you cannot decipher the players school year as in a sort, so maybe to not offend anyone don't list names.

I agree there are a ton of Juniors and many are missing on the list. I counted at least 172 players listed as Jr. defense alone (not counting the Dakotas which were included in Jr. Fest in the past). I was surprised to hear that only 230 skaters were trying out since there are typically about twice as many forwards as there are defense in a class. I think listing people on this board should wait until we have a roster of the players. I'm not accusing a1a but many times people list players as some sort of attempt at influencing the evaluators or people take the approach that if you keep saying something it be perceived as true. Some just like to see their kid's name posted and list their daughter over and over. Some would like to give recognition to worthy players. Whatever the reason, I think it should wait until we have rosters.

[SuperStar]

Edge - I see what your saying, but I do know for a fact that a1a doesn't have a daughter who is a Junior or listed above. Just a friendly FYI..

[OntheEdge]

Edge - I see what your saying, but I do know for a fact that a1a doesn't have a daughter who is a Junior or listed above. Just a friendly FYI..

SuperStar,

Thanks for the info. As I said I was NOT accusing a1a of anything.

[hockeya1a]

WOW

I believe he said he used the stats available from one (widely accessed and user friendly) source. Go ahead country genius and post the rest.

There are a ton of jrs missing on this list. Looking on the coaches website which is probably the best source, you cannot decipher the players school year as in a sort, so maybe to not offend anyone don't list names.

I agree there are a ton of Juniors and many are missing on the list. I counted at least 172 players listed as Jr. defense alone (not counting the Dakotas which were included in Jr. Fest in the past). I was surprised to hear that only 230 skaters were trying out since there are typically about twice as many forwards as there are defense in a class. I think listing people on this board should wait until we have a roster of the players. I'm not accusing a1a but many times people list players as some sort of attempt at influencing the evaluators or people take the approach that if you keep saying something it be perceived as true. Some just like to see their kid's name posted and list their daughter over and over. Some would like to give recognition to worthy players. Whatever the reason, I think it should wait until we have rosters.

Edge -I can see where you are coming from, you do see it all of the time names being posted on here.

I took the top aprox 300 F/D names from the Startribunes website and pulled out Just the Juniors and then sorted them pulling the top points leaders listed.
There is no place that I have seen the Juniors listed by themselves before. Then for the Goalies I pulled all of the Juniors out and sorted by Save % and that is when I relized that those numbers are goofy, some people that have only played 1 game had high SV% So I drew the line at 600 minutes of playing time that is about 1/2 of the games. from there I sorted by Shots on goal. the SOG diff thing was to mix things up a bit to get a different perspective.
I also think that if the Junior fest is anything like the U15, U16 and U17 they probably wont need my help picking girls I believe they already know who they want.

[Girls_Hockey_fan]

combined Point leaders from 2 sources - MGHCA and MN Sports Online websites, plus added what I could gather from the Advanced phases program. Feel free to provide corrections and additional names

Junior Point Leaders --
Dani Schultz -- Morris/Benson 124 pts (2009 16s Final 54)
Abby Lund - Blake - 83 pts (2009 17s Final54)
Hillary Crow - Blake - 83 pts (2009 17s Final54)
Karley Sylvester - Warroad - 81 pts (2009 16s Final 54)
Meghan Lorence - Irondale - 79 pts (2009 17s Final 54)
Sam Falk - Morris/Benson 76pts
Layla Marvin - Warroad - 75 pts (2009 16s Final 54)
Megan Bergland -Faribault 70 Pts (2009 16s Final54)
Taylor Kuehl - Mound/Westtonka - 70 pts (2009 16s Final 54)
Abby Ness - Roseau - 69 pts (2009 Select 16 National Camp)
Sara Rajiewsky - Morris - 68 pts
Katy Kvasknicka - Mkto West - 62 pts (2009 Select 16 National Camp)
Leah Jensen - EGF - 61 pts (2009 Select 16 National Camp)
Krystal Baumann - Fgtn - 60 pts (2009 16s Final 54)
Kailyn McCauley - Owatonna - 59 pts
Megan Brettingen - Warroad - 57 pts
Morgan Fritz-Ward - Lakeville South - 57 pts (2009 Select 16 National Camp)
Kayla Moe - Eveleth/Gilbert - 57 pts
Shannon Kaiser - Crookston - 56 pts - (2009 Select 16 National Camp)
Hannah Alexander - Fgtn - 55 pts
Rachael Bona - Coon Rapids - 54 pts
Allie LaCombe - Eden Prairie - 54 pts (2009 16s final 54)
Jordyn Burns - Benilde - 52 pts (2009 17s Final54)
Shelby Salmonsen - Faribault - 53 pts
Rachael Kelly - Rosemount - 51 pts (2009 17s Final54)

[OntheEdge]

There are a ton of jrs missing on this list. Looking on the coaches website which is probably the best source, you cannot decipher the players school year as in a sort, so maybe to not offend anyone don't list names.

I agree there are a ton of Juniors and many are missing on the list. I counted at least 172 players listed as Jr. defense alone (not counting the Dakotas which were included in Jr. Fest in the past). I was surprised to hear that only 230 skaters were trying out since there are typically about twice as many forwards as there are defense in a class. I think listing people on this board should wait until we have a roster of the players. I'm not accusing a1a but many times people list players as some sort of attempt at influencing the evaluators or people take the approach that if you keep saying something it be perceived as true. Some just like to see their kid's name posted and list their daughter over and over. Some would like to give recognition to worthy players. Whatever the reason, I think it should wait until we have rosters.

Edge -I can see where you are coming from, you do see it all of the time names being posted on here.

I took the top aprox 300 F/D names from the Startribunes website and pulled out Just the Juniors and then sorted them pulling the top points leaders listed.
There is no place that I have seen the Juniors listed by themselves before. Then for the Goalies I pulled all of the Juniors out and sorted by Save % and that is when I relized that those numbers are goofy, some people that have only played 1 game had high SV% So I drew the line at 600 minutes of playing time that is about 1/2 of the games. from there I sorted by Shots on goal. the SOG diff thing was to mix things up a bit to get a different perspective.
I also think that if the Junior fest is anything like the U15, U16 and U17 they probably wont need my help picking girls I believe they already know who they want.

a1a, your methodology is as good as any but the fact is that with the inequities in our system (i.e. material differences in approaches to the compilation of stats and material disparity in talent in the league) statistics are of a very limited value.

Also, I think that tryouts are stressful on parents and skaters. Having the experience of running tryouts at the association level, I know that parents will do a lot of things to try to get an edge (no pun intended ). Therefore I am suspicious of anonymously posted lists during tryouts. No offense intended a1a. I'm sure that your intentions were honorable.

[royals dad]

I don't know who reads these lists and if they really have any effect on try outs. But as a famous sports writer once said if you want to know how a player is going to do in an at bat look at the back of their baseball card. In other words past stats do sometimes indicate how good players are.

I like when people post this as I have a smart phone and have this site bookmarked. During the many hours I spend at the super rink over the summer I bring this site up as a guide of who to watch in the various tournaments. Last summer it was fun to stumble across a game like Recess Pieces vs Ice Cats game and spot some players from different schools. See if I agree with why someone is or is not on the list. Seems like every weekend we are there for one tourney or another, I am sitting at that arena way to much (my daughter has a pre-game ritual that she likes to be there almost 2 hours before a game and is always last to leave).

[OntheEdge]

I don't know who reads these lists and if they really have any effect on try outs. But as a famous sports writer once said if you want to know how a player is going to do in an at bat look at the back of their baseball card. In other words past stats do sometimes indicate how good players are.

I agree with you but I think the key words are "do sometimes" which means more often stats are indicative of a players ability. I'll give you an example. Ellie Gleason last year had -0- goals, 11 assists for a total of 11 points. If you were just looking at the stats you would say that there are tons of Juniors better than her and that she must be a stay at home D. If you watched her play you know that she is a very offensive D and that her lack of goals was not indicative of her abilities to score. Her lack of goals had more to do with being on a good team with lots of weapons, her team playing one of the toughest schedules in the State, her team's system as being forward centric and some bad luck. The evaluators and scouts at Junior Fest obviously saw her talent since she is going to play D1 at Dartmouth next year.

I'm sure that there were a lot of Junior D last year that had tons better stats that aren't playing college hockey next year. So again my point is stats without context are of very limited value.

[wild77]

I don't know who reads these lists and if they really have any effect on try outs. But as a famous sports writer once said if you want to know how a player is going to do in an at bat look at the back of their baseball card. In other words past stats do sometimes indicate how good players are.

I like when people post this as I have a smart phone and have this site bookmarked. During the many hours I spend at the super rink over the summer I bring this site up as a guide of who to watch in the various tournaments. Last summer it was fun to stumble across a game like Recess Pieces vs Ice Cats game and spot some players from different schools. See if I agree with why someone is or is not on the list. Seems like every weekend we are there for one tourney or another, I am sitting at that arena way to much (my daughter has a pre-game ritual that she likes to be there almost 2 hours before a game and is always last to leave).

You can't compare that reliability of stats on the back of a baseball card with the reliability of the stats compiled by the MCHCA or the Star Tribune.
Major League baseball employs statiticians
Most High school teams allow a captain or other team member decide the scoring for the game sheet (aside from the intial call from the referee-which is incorrect quite a bit)
Some coaches do not take the time to enter stats
Weak conferences vs Strong conferences

[royals dad]

If your coach doesn't have someone do stats, do stats well, or post stats and he/she has players who aspire to play beyond HS then he is doing a disservice to that player (like it or not it is part of having a good program). If a player who plays a week schedule has a ton of points but largely is off the score sheet when they play top teams it is fairly easy to see through. I think this board has had some great contributors over last couple years who do an awesome job of making it easy for the rest of us by pulling what does exist into one place. I was just trying to say I read what they post and appreciate it.

My previous post was just a quote that I thought was a good analogy that sometimes a players past stats do indicate how they will preform in the future. Of course there is not a straight comparison to the level of stats kept by MLB and HS Girls Hockey. Of course there are players who are better than or worse than their stats. I used the word sometimes on purpose, but didn't think to make it bold, underlined, and double font. I still wouldn't be surprised if there are 8 of 10 Ms Hockey and senior goalie finalists on the brief lists above.

More importantly I was saying it is nice to see these lists and then watch for some of the players. If your really against lists of players/teams or debates about lists of players/teams. About two thirds of this forum are not for you. Its all just speculation and most of us are just parents who have been dragged by our daughters into becoming fans. I end up watching a ton more girls hockey than wild or gophers mens theses days its more fun when you know who some of the players are.