Advanced 15 Program

Nobodyonya · Post by **Nobodyonya** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:16 pm

Fire and Ice wrote:The question is being dodged like a politician.

I guess what I am saying is where are the politics on that team? The coaching staff is made up of guys that have little or no contact with most of the players on the roster and that would include their parents.

Just looking for clarification on the statement.

Yes, I would like to know what politics are being played also, but from my view of all this is that the coach may or may not have little or no contact with the players I still think that the coaches know who they want due to the fact of the players dad, last name, JV/Varsity experience etc. I wasn't at the tryouts, but from what I have watched this year during the season only at the A and B Bantam level there were a couple of kids that probably should have made the top 30 cut but didn't. Bad tryout?? The unfortunate aspect of these couple of players is based off of there birthdate. You can have a Nov/Dec. birthday vs. a Jan./Feb. birthday and already you are on the losing end. The latter birthdates fall into a 1st year bantam vs. a 2nd year bantam/HS player which is a gravely big disadvantage for the more younger player. I do believe this is part of the decision making process.

Thehockeyplaya · Post by **Thehockeyplaya** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:18 pm

Can anyone tell me the home association of the players that made the advanced 15's for district 10 that played for hill murry this last season?

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:35 pm

Why is there a request towards the nature of the question when it has been answered by others responding? It is simple, social positioning within one's association will reep benefits personally but when it's time to preform at higher levels including HS, players will receive actual evaluations towards skill level. Look at Eden Prairie last year and articles written within MN hockey...politics are embedded within associations and that bleeds top down through MN hockey, districts, and associations. Go ahead and volunteer time within the board or association to promote your child but don't question legitimate questions towards political placement unless you made the D10 list....it's alive and well within most association hockey.

F14 · Post by **F14** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:57 am

Here are the 30 players remaining for District 3 All are Bantam A except where noted. Not sure how many are first year Bantams on the list. OMG is Osseo/Maple Grove. HS's where noted.

Final cutdown to roster of 20 is on the 18th.

Defensemen

Jordan Gross OMG
Jacob Flemmer Orono
Joseph Franta OMG
Andrew Krough Armstrong (BSM)
Andrew Lyons North Metro
Theodore Ransom Wayzata
Tyler Sims North Metro
Tyler Stroh North Metro
Drake Thomsen OMG
Eric Udelhoven Armstrong

Forwards

Jake Abernathy OMG
Tyler Cammarata Shattuck Tier I
Christopher Chute Blake Varsity
James Copouls Hopkins
Alexander Devries Blake BB1
Nathan Erickson OMG
Zach Grochowski Orono JV
Zachary Gross North Metro
Chase Heising Wayzata
Thomas Lindstrom Breck Varsity
Derek Lodermeier North Metro (Totino)
Brian Machut Wayzata
Spencer Naas Hopkins
Jacob Scattergood Wayzata
Alexander Sorensen Wayzata
Nicklaus Sorensen Wayzata
Connor Thie Hopkins Varsity
Jalen Wahl Hopkins

Goalies

John Danielson OMG
Ryan Froom St. Louis Park JV/V

Night Train · Post by **Night Train** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:59 am

Lindstrom Breck JV

a ice person · Post by **a ice person** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:07 am

How does Lindstrom play for Dist. 3? Werent you suppose to try out for the district you should have played Bantams in? For him that should have been Dist. 10 I beleive, unless they moved in the past year. Well at least this way he he has a chance to play I guess , dont think he would have made some of the other districts.

HSHockeyFan08 · Post by **HSHockeyFan08** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:15 am

It wouldn't surprise me if District 3 wins the whole thing.

conditioningsucks · Post by **conditioningsucks** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:21 am

[quote="a ice person"]How does Lindstrom play for Dist. 3? Werent you suppose to try out for the district you should have played Bantams in? For him that should have been Dist. 10 I beleive, unless they moved in the past year. Well at least this way he he has a chance to play I guess , dont think he would have made some of the other districts.[/quote]

Sometimes the local associations are uncooperative in recommending someone to the Advanced program who isn't going to play in the local public school system or has already left the system. Why have a kid take the spot of someone who is going to play for the local team one day?

Not saying that happened here - but to tryout you need to go through your local association and if they are uncooperative then you need to petition in and perhaps do it in the district where you play.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:03 am

In which association boundaries does Breck lie?

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:50 pm

Kid plays out of home district where he lives. Breck doesnt have a home district.

I am still waiting for MN Hawker to define the politics on the district 10 team. Who made it that shouldnt have? and who should have made it?

And then answer what politics were involved that left or kept someone off or on the team?

Or do me a favor stop using politics as the reason for someone not making a team when clearly the staff for district 10 has little or no ties to anyone on this team.

observer · Post by **observer** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:33 pm

A few things.

Breck is in Golden Valley. Golden Valley doesn't have a youth hockey association but youth hockey residents of Golden Valley have been claimed by their neighbor Hopkins and generally play youth hockey there. That may be because Golden Valley is now part of the Hopkins School District but I don't know that for sure. Even if Golden Valley is part of the Hopkins School District it should have no bearing on the Advanced 15 process because Advanced 15 has nothing to do with schools. Hopkins Youth Hockey Association is in D3.

Don't confuse Advanced 15 with Advanced 16/17. Advanced 15 invites are handled by the youth hockey district based on the players home address. It's the responsibility of the youth hockey association, where the player lives, to submit eligible players to the District for an invite. That's ranked youth players (95s) that live in the District not only the ones that play in your youth hockey association. Maybe they play at Shattuck or at a private school outside the association boundry. Doesn't make any difference. Still the responsibility of the home association to submit the ranked names to the District. Large Districts limit the number of names each association can submit and on occassion it's based on the teams finish in the standings. First place in the standings may get to submit 5 names but 7th place only 2. Each District starts with 44 slots divided among the member association teams.

16&17 is based on the section where the high school player plays. Breck has nothing to do with the Advanced 15 process as that is a youth hockey process based on a players home address.

a ice person · Post by **a ice person** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:39 pm

observer wrote:A few things.

Breck is in Golden Valley. Golden Valley doesn't have a youth hockey association but youth hockey residents of Golden Valley have been claimed by their neighbor Hopkins and generally play youth hockey there. That may be because Golden Valley is now part of the Hopkins School District but I don't know that for sure. Even if Golden Valley is part of the Hopkins School District it should have no bearing on the Advanced 15 process because Advanced 15 has nothing to do with schools. Hopkins Youth Hockey Association is in D3.

Don't confuse Advanced 15 with Advanced 16/17. Advanced 15 invites are handled by the youth hockey district based on the players home address. It's the responsibility of the youth hockey association, where the player lives, to submit eligible players to the District for an invite. That's ranked youth players (95s) that live in the District not only the ones that play in your youth hockey association. Maybe they play at Shattuck or at a private school outside the association boundry. Doesn't make any difference. Still the responsibility of the home association to submit the ranked names to the District. Large Districts limit the number of names each association can submit and on occassion it's based on the teams finish in the standings. First place in the standings may get to submit 5 names but 7th place only 2. Each District starts with 44 slots divided among the member association teams.

16&17 is based on the section where the high school player plays. Breck has nothing to do with the Advanced 15 process as that is a youth hockey process based on a players home address.

That was the point I was getting at. You play for the district you should have played Bantams in.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:34 pm

And that was also the point I was making: he would have played bantams within the association boundaries in which he goes to school, not where he lives - Breck>Golden Valley>Hopkins>District 3. It's not that hard.

observer · Post by **observer** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:43 pm

No

But, there may be some new, undetermined, questions with the new participation rule. I don't think that's been defined so I'll stick with no. All Advance 15s register for the process with the district where their home is located. Their names are submitted to the process by the association where they reside. Always interesting stuff though in the big Districts (10 & 8 to name a couple). Some associations may only get one or two berths. One guy is big and strong. One guys is fast with hands. One guy plays on your Bantam A team. One guy plays for a private school somewhere.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:29 pm

The process for D 10 has not only the coaches evaluating but 3-4 grading the forwards and 3 more grading the defense men. The goalies are judged by 2 people. All have either coaching experience at the High school level and have played college or juniors. They grade the players and then crunch the numbers, do some players think they have it made and take it easy and do not get picked, it happens and that is not politics. What a player did during the season means nothing at the tryout.
As for the number of players per association, I believe that the District has a formula based on the placement of the A Bantam team in league play, B bantam players are not invited and High school players do not count against an association/team allotment.
BTW, these guys do not care who makes the team, they are concerned with getting as many as they can to the next level.
I should also add that D 10 board members also do grading. This year with the extra number of players getting to advance until the next cut, I am surprised some one is claiming politics.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:33 pm

What??? I thought D10 has no jurisdiction towards association hockey and lets associations determine player placement and advancement within hockey teams. I have better information produced from my Tom Tom that gets me lost everyday than what comes from individuals within D10. God help us if D10 is evaluating talent, I'd rather pay the additional expenses towards heathcare before dealing with this clan....at least someone is reaping benefits. Sounds like politics starting from D10 and filtering through the associations.

dumb blonde · Post by **dumb blonde** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:50 am

D10's ADV 15 process is really getting hammered on this forum and on the girls side. Both call out politics.

This year is different from previous years for this level. Greybeard acknowledged that more kids are being given an opportunity to "make it" than in the past in this new structure.

Last years D10 ADV 15 teams were very successful amongst the other districts in the state. Time will tell how this years groups will do. Perhaps, for all that think someone should be there and is not, wait a year and see how the ADV 16 process works out. For kids that didn't make it this year, go home and work hard in the off season and then go hard during the season.

On a much less serious note, I'll leave you with this - maybe kids weren't picked for this team because of politics but because their mom's are hot. Hee hee.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:23 am

Speaking from personal experience, serving on a hockey board (5+ years) doesn't provide any additional pull. Of course, I probably made the mistake of serving on the board in order to better the experience of all hockey players rather than pushing my own kids' agendas.

Thehockeyplaya · Post by **Thehockeyplaya** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:00 am

sinbin wrote:Speaking from personal experience, serving on a hockey board (5+ years) doesn't provide any additional pull. Of course, I probably made the mistake of serving on the board in order to better the experience of all hockey players rather than pushing my own kids' agendas.

The campaign at my home association starts today...next's year write-in "sin bin" That's no joke either!

pantherfan · Post by **pantherfan** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:45 pm

[ What a player did during the season means nothing at the tryout.

Sorry Greybeard D8 did not even come close to the number of days of tryouts. D8 completed the tryouts in 2 nights. Some of the kids that were in the state VFW tourney did not make it to the 2nd night BUT they made the team call that what you want. we had maybe 3 graders the first night and then the 2nd night we had up to 5. However graders do know what players did throughout the season as some of our graders were coaches. If you as a rep don't know who the top players are then you are not doing your job either. REP's are are suppose to Attend games at all levels through the season. So they do know have information on the top players. D10 might have graders that have played at a higher level and have no ties with the kids. Take Fashing, do you think the graders have never heard of him? come on, top players in the state are talked about at all levels and if they are in touch with youth hockey they know who the top players are. So in D8's case maybe they they missed maybe they did not but if MH wants this to be the new way then it should be done the same way across the board. if D10 has tryouts over 4 -5 days then the rest of the state should to.

Ras · Post by **Ras** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:42 pm

I find the comments interesting. I am amazed at how little people know.

dingle · Post by **dingle** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:03 pm

Does anyone have a list of the top 30 players in District 8 and 6?

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:22 pm

[quote="Ras"]I find the comments interesting. I am amazed at how little people know.[/quote]

Finally a D10 expert...what is the information we are not privy to and have little knowledge of? Oh that's right, you have the pre-season STP (Selected-Team-Placement) if you are the true "Ras". The best comment I have read is why are we paying for tryouts when there is no legitimacy to this process. With your comment you are underestimating what people do know....

mghockey18 · Post by **mghockey18** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:04 am

Get over it. Your kid didn't make it. If your kid was good enough you wouldn't need to worry about making the team. It makes me sick knowing people have to blame politics over not making an Advanced 15 Team. It's not the end of the world.

pantherfan · Post by **pantherfan** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:44 pm

Who's kid are you talking about? My kid made it to phase 2. I am just saying what I think and seen in D8 at tryouts and thats all. There is room for what 3 - 5 kids to make the team in July. the rest are already in, thats Not politics just facts. and they should be They are GREAT players, 1st year players will be hard pressed to make it on the team in July thats not politics just facts as 2nd year players have the upper hand.