2000 MACHINE VS 2000 BLADES

[hockeydad11]

Kids still need to be kids.

[Tellitlikeitis]

Scott...errr I mean MonopolyMan, Enjoy the Show and now Hockeyfan74, .....who's next? I'm sure there is more. Give it up the gig is up.

What a coincidence another "Monopoly" parent happens to be reading this board and happens to know ETS and MM. If anybody believes that I have some Iowa lakeshore to sell you !!

The moderator already slapped me on the wrist for posting info. about IP address so I'll play by the rules. I know the truth and exposed you. This is the last I'll say on it because it's not worth it but I applaud your determination

[EnjoyTheShow]

Scott...errr I mean MonopolyMan, Enjoy the Show and now Hockeyfan74, .....who's next? I'm sure there is more. Give it up the gig is up.

What a coincidence another "Monopoly" parent happens to be reading this board and happens to know ETS and MM. If anybody believes that I have some Iowa lakeshore to sell you !!

The moderator already slapped me on the wrist for posting info. about IP address so I'll play by the rules. I know the truth and exposed you. This is the last I'll say on it because it's not worth it but I applaud your determination

Your right on buddy! is there anyone else that is "us." The funny thing is every post you have made to this point is about myself or the Monopoly man who hasn't posted on this forum for quite some time. Also I think the joke is suppose to be ocean front property, but once again your credibility is zero! again you know that I know that you know that I know you sir are full of...... Do you have any other conspiracy theories you'd like to throw out? I think the cool aid is wearing on you.

[karl(east)]

Yeah, I think this thread has outlived its usefulness.

[karl(east)]

A decent case has been made for keeping this thread going, so I'll unlock it. It piqued my curiosity, at least.

So go ahead...just stay on topic.

[old goalie85]

Thanks --- I find it interesting because I have an 01 and 02, so down the road I'd like to sere what comes of said teams.

[HockeyDad41]

The 2000 Blades will be playing in the International Cup 6/10-13.

[Deep Breath]

A lot of the 2000-level teams in the International Cup appear to be open-level teams (Snipers, Foothills, Thunder Bay, Crush, Legacy). Not sure why the Blades would get into that field, especially since they have the Brick just a month later. Would think that trying to prepare for the level of teams they will see in Edmonton, playing open-level teams would not be the best way to get ready.

[trippedovertheblueline]

A lot of the 2000-level teams in the International Cup appear to be open-level teams (Snipers, Foothills, Thunder Bay, Crush, Legacy). Not sure why the Blades would get into that field, especially since they have the Brick just a month later. Would think that trying to prepare for the level of teams they will see in Edmonton, playing open-level teams would not be the best way to get ready.

Have you been to the Brick tournament?

[old goalie85]

I've never been to a brick tourney. I am interested, just never had a kid at that level. It must be quite the event. Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?

[terrymoore17]

Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?

I have had two kids play in the Brick and have been to the Brick two other times (I am involved with the Blades).

The Brick is the most amazing tournament I have seen. One dad who played in the State HS tournament and WCHA called it the best tournament experience in hockey. You need to see it to believe it.

All games are played at the West Edmonton Mall (sister mall to MOA), under a glass dome. The rink is sunny. Crowds are big, especiall late r in the week, and right on top of the players. The level of play is very advanced. Lots of extras are included. All players must come from your assigned region (ours is MN) except each team can have three import players.

For the record, when we build our Brick teams, we always leave a few spots open for springtime additions. When we find the right players, we invite them to join us for the week. Most accept the invitation.

[old goalie85]

Sounds great It sounds like a very top level event. Maybe someday.

[offside14]

Might need to open up a few more roster spots for the Blades. 5-5 tie with Torspo couldn't be a result they were looking for.

[scrapiron]

Which team is stronger between the Machine and Torspo?

[EnjoyTheShow]

Which team is stronger between the Machine and Torspo?

In 2 games machine has outscored the torspo 12-1 and the torspo might have mustered up 10 shots on goal each game and thats giving the torspo the benefit of the doubt. No team in Minnesota is even close to the machine at present, they destroyed the icemen 9-1 and hit 4-5 posts as well in the game. I don't even have a kid on this team but the machine are very strong and alot of fun to watch.

Do you have a son on Torspo? or did you just watch those games? were you also at the machine vs. Icemen game?

I'm really not trying to be rude, it just seems that for someone who doesn't have a kid on the machine, you seem to have a lot of information about their games.

I agree they seem to be the top 00' team in Minnesota. More impressive than anything they've don against the Torspo or Icemen is the fact they have beaten the lightning more than once this summer. They are the best team in Manitoba, and have many Manitoba Brick players. The Machine are the best 00' team right now! They deserve positive attention. congrats

[EnjoyTheShow]

I'm not from Manitoba, not sure who they've played.

[MrBoDangles]

First of all - yes, I'm a Machine parent so half of you guys can already choose to hate me. Thought I'd get that out of the way up front!

Okay - haters on both side need to take it easy with all the allegations and hear-say about the rivalry between the Blades/Machine/Monopoly/Icemen and whoever is next AND about the Brick, recruiting for the Brick and all the talk around that too. It's deteriorated into a "my dad can beat up your dad" type of argument. Fact is a lot of recruiting happens behind the scenes - so what?! Doesn't matter if the team you play for is for profit or non profit - EVERY team wants the best players whether it be for the team or just for a tournament. If your kid is in the mix - be happy and proud and put the disdain for other programs that you don't call your own aside.

As far as the Brick "controversy" goes - I just want to throw out the head to head records of the above mentioned teams vs the Machine (as I know them anyway).

• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades (2 - 0) Score of 3 - 1 and 4 - 2.
• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Monopoly (2 - 0) Scores of 5 - 0 and 8 - 0.
• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Icemen (1 - 0) Score of 9 - 1.

Point being - if the Brick truly wants the best kids (or best team) from here to represent Minnesota up there in Edmonton, then it should at least include some Machine kids (either that or we got REALLY lucky five times in a row)! The Blades are at the wheel so they can call the shots - I completely understand and that's fine. Enough with all that back and forth mudslinging. Let the Blades build their Brick team the way they want - I just think they would be stronger with some Machine kids on the roster (and a couple Icemen kids for that matter).

Are these Blades scores from this year? If so, not too bad.

[MrBoDangles]

A lot of the 2000-level teams in the International Cup appear to be open-level teams (Snipers, Foothills, Thunder Bay, Crush, Legacy). Not sure why the Blades would get into that field, especially since they have the Brick just a month later. Would think that trying to prepare for the level of teams they will see in Edmonton, playing open-level teams would not be the best way to get ready.

Icemen
Monopoly
Blades
Team Reebok(heard they are very good)
Miracle
Legacy

Why wouldn't the Machine and Torspo take the short drive to Blaine?

[EnjoyTheShow]

A lot of the 2000-level teams in the International Cup appear to be open-level teams (Snipers, Foothills, Thunder Bay, Crush, Legacy). Not sure why the Blades would get into that field, especially since they have the Brick just a month later. Would think that trying to prepare for the level of teams they will see in Edmonton, playing open-level teams would not be the best way to get ready.

Icemen
Monopoly
Blades
Team Reebok(heard they are very good)
Miracle
Legacy

Why wouldn't the Machine and Torspo take the short drive to Blaine?

Because
MM doesn't profit off of it
the level of play just isn't up to the high standard the Orange and the "Deuce" are used to
and they are already in about 6 or more tournaments.
They will likely tell you its just because they don't want to win every game by 10. To there credit, The machine would likely be heavily favored against any of these teams at the moment. They already beat the icemen. I'm sure they will see the Blades and monopoly at some point. I think this would have been a good opportunity to "quiet" these other "troubled" programs though.

[offside14]

First of all - yes, I'm a Machine parent so half of you guys can already choose to hate me. Thought I'd get that out of the way up front!

Okay - haters on both side need to take it easy with all the allegations and hear-say about the rivalry between the Blades/Machine/Monopoly/Icemen and whoever is next AND about the Brick, recruiting for the Brick and all the talk around that too. It's deteriorated into a "my dad can beat up your dad" type of argument. Fact is a lot of recruiting happens behind the scenes - so what?! Doesn't matter if the team you play for is for profit or non profit - EVERY team wants the best players whether it be for the team or just for a tournament. If your kid is in the mix - be happy and proud and put the disdain for other programs that you don't call your own aside.

As far as the Brick "controversy" goes - I just want to throw out the head to head records of the above mentioned teams vs the Machine (as I know them anyway).

• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades (2 - 0) Score of 3 - 1 and 4 - 2.
• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Monopoly (2 - 0) Scores of 5 - 0 and 8 - 0.
• 2000 Machine vs 2000 Icemen (1 - 0) Score of 9 - 1.

Point being - if the Brick truly wants the best kids (or best team) from here to represent Minnesota up there in Edmonton, then it should at least include some Machine kids (either that or we got REALLY lucky five times in a row)! The Blades are at the wheel so they can call the shots - I completely understand and that's fine. Enough with all that back and forth mudslinging. Let the Blades build their Brick team the way they want - I just think they would be stronger with some Machine kids on the roster (and a couple Icemen kids for that matter).

Are these Blades scores from this year? If so, not too bad.

No these are not scores from this year except the icemen score of 9-1, same team that won the meltdown. The monopoly, torspo, icemen and blades could all beat each other on any given day. The machine is minimum of 5 and probably closer to 10 goals better than any of these teams, not too close.

[scoreandscoreoften]

How many Blades players from last year now play for the Machine?

[Deep Breath]

[quote="scoreandscoreoften"]How many Blades players from last year now play for the Machine?[/quote]

Several of last year's 00 Blades went with Roddy to the Icemen; some are now playing with the Torspo, another is playing with the Orange and some stayed with the Blades.

[Terrible Ted Lindsay]

[quote="terrymoore17"][quote="old goalie85"] Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?[/quote]

I have had two kids play in the Brick and have been to the Brick two other times (I am involved with the Blades).

The Brick is the most amazing tournament I have seen. One dad who played in the State HS tournament and WCHA called it the best tournament experience in hockey. You need to see it to believe it.

All games are played at the West Edmonton Mall (sister mall to MOA), under a glass dome. The rink is sunny. Crowds are big, especiall late r in the week, and right on top of the players. The level of play is very advanced. Lots of extras are included. All players must come from your assigned region (ours is MN) except each team can have three import players.

For the record, when we build our Brick teams, we always leave a few spots open for springtime additions. When we find the right players, we invite them to join us for the week. Most accept the invitation.[/quote]Terry, the brick is a great tournament, so why would u blow up the 2000 Blades? Change coaches, lose key kids, and destroy probably the best 2000 Hockey Team in Minnesota last year? For what? Now you will take this Blades Team to the Brick and they will be embarrassed just like they were earlier this year in Chicago and the Meltdown Tourney! All because u personally fired the best Youth Coach in Minnesota and tore the 2000 Blades Team apart! Can't get anybody to go with u to the Brick this year to shore up the much weaker team u have this year, eh? It's all about Coaching and ego Terry(yours in that regard), I don't even know last years Coach, but I saw the boys play and they were the best passing and position playing 9 year old team I've ever seen in my 40 years of coaching and playing hockey. If they had been kept together the Machine would have been an afterthought this year. BIG MISTAKE TERRY BOY!
Signed....Terrible Ted Lindsay

[High Off The Glass]

Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?

I have had two kids play in the Brick and have been to the Brick two other times (I am involved with the Blades).

The Brick is the most amazing tournament I have seen. One dad who played in the State HS tournament and WCHA called it the best tournament experience in hockey. You need to see it to believe it.

All games are played at the West Edmonton Mall (sister mall to MOA), under a glass dome. The rink is sunny. Crowds are big, especiall late r in the week, and right on top of the players. The level of play is very advanced. Lots of extras are included. All players must come from your assigned region (ours is MN) except each team can have three import players.

For the record, when we build our Brick teams, we always leave a few spots open for springtime additions. When we find the right players, we invite them to join us for the week. Most accept the invitation.

Terry, the brick is a great tournament, so why would u blow up the 2000 Blades? Change coaches, lose key kids, and destroy probably the best 2000 Hockey Team in Minnesota last year? For what?

Now you will take this Blades Team to the Brick and they will be embarrassed just like they were earlier this year in Chicago and the Meltdown Tourney! All because u personally fired the best Youth Coach in Minnesota and tore the 2000 Blades Team apart!

Can't get anybody to go with u to the Brick this year to shore up the much weaker team u have this year, eh? It's all about Coaching and ego Terry(yours in that regard), I don't even know last years Coach, but I saw the boys play and they were the best passing and position playing 9 year old team I've ever seen in my 40 years of coaching and playing hockey. If they had been kept together the Machine would have been an afterthought this year. BIG MISTAKE TERRY BOY!
Signed....Terrible Ted Lindsay

As I recall, didn't the 2000 Blades make it to the finals in Chicago? Not bad if you ask me. As far as last years 2000 coach being the "best coach in youth hockey in Minnesota" Ask someone how he's doing with a certain other team now. You are right on one point however, it's all about coaching and Stephens is a great coach with a proven track record. Keep bashing and cheering for failure up at the Brick, it's all you Machine people have left.

[Machine parent]

machine coach is excellent.

team has extremeley low turnover - kids love the coach - all top players wanted to come back - add in a solid addition from the blades + 2-3 good hockey players from north metro -- 2010 should be decent

would be great if blades would commit to 3 or 4 game series over the summer? hear blades are all about FUN so why not?

Please elaberate. Excellent in what way? Explain how a parent coach, with very limited playing experience (if any, and I'm being kind), is going to develop your son. To be honest, a trained monkey can take the best 8-9 year old kids in the metro area coach and win hockey games, but years down the road, will these kids develop under a coach with no real coaching or playing experience. You must ask yourself, with the money your spending in that program, do you deserve better than parent coaching? Don't you already get that from association hockey? I'm not trying to turn this into another Blade vs. Machine thread, but it's a question worth asking

I'd love to read NIINTEAM's answer to HOTG's post. It's a good point worth discussing. Pay a lot of money to play top notch AAA hockey, and you have the choice (no pun intended) to play for a well respected coach (2000 blades), or a parent coach (2000 Machine), with no real coaching or playing background. I guess in the end, what experience does Bernie McBain have? I can answer that one, NONE!

Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!