2000 MACHINE VS 2000 BLADES

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:42 am

Machine parent wrote:
GreatOne99 wrote:
High Off The Glass wrote: Please elaberate. Excellent in what way? Explain how a parent coach, with very limited playing experience (if any, and I'm being kind), is going to develop your son. To be honest, a trained monkey can take the best 8-9 year old kids in the metro area coach and win hockey games, but years down the road, will these kids develop under a coach with no real coaching or playing experience. You must ask yourself, with the money your spending in that program, do you deserve better than parent coaching? Don't you already get that from association hockey? I'm not trying to turn this into another Blade vs. Machine thread, but it's a question worth asking
I'd love to read NIINTEAM's answer to HOTG's post. It's a good point worth discussing. Pay a lot of money to play top notch AAA hockey, and you have the choice (no pun intended) to play for a well respected coach (2000 blades), or a parent coach (2000 Machine), with no real coaching or playing background. I guess in the end, what experience does Bernie McBain have? I can answer that one, NONE!
Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!

He did a pretty d@mn good job with the 95 Blades.....

High Off The Glass · Post by **High Off The Glass** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:52 am

muckandgrind wrote:
Machine parent wrote:
GreatOne99 wrote: I'd love to read NIINTEAM's answer to HOTG's post. It's a good point worth discussing. Pay a lot of money to play top notch AAA hockey, and you have the choice (no pun intended) to play for a well respected coach (2000 blades), or a parent coach (2000 Machine), with no real coaching or playing background. I guess in the end, what experience does Bernie McBain have? I can answer that one, NONE!
Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!
He did a pretty d@mn good job with the 95 Blades.....

Spot on muckandgrind! You look at the 95 Blades and compare them to the 95 Machine, oh wait, there is no 95 Machine team anymore. Why? Can a coach win at the higher levels, in Steffen's case, YES. What other team has Jungels coached, higher than mite and squirts? The 97 Machine for 1.5 years and then BM had to step in and take it over and it still didn't develop into a top notch North America team and now kids are leaving. Steffen will have no trouble developing his 2000 Blades team years down the road when it really matters

TheJet · Post by **TheJet** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:01 pm

As I recall, didn't the 2000 Blades make it to the finals in Chicago? Not bad if you ask me. As far as last years 2000 coach being the "best coach in youth hockey in Minnesota" Ask someone how he's doing with a certain other team now. You are right on one point however, it's all about coaching and Stephens is a great coach with a proven track record. Keep bashing and cheering for failure up at the Brick, it's all you Machine people have left.

"Certain other team" has probably done very well considering the late start in recruiting and the fact that several of the players were/are young 00's and thus still mites last year. Think they won the meltdown invite which the blades were in as well.

The Wolfpack · Post by **The Wolfpack** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:10 pm

Anyone want to join the Wolfpack?

scrapiron · Post by **scrapiron** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:26 pm

It seems to me that a Winter Edina team would lend it's players to a winter Burnsville for a tournament.

This would not happen during the winter season. so why would the summer be any different? It is also clear that the loyalty for these summer teams runs very deep.

Is this one sided or are the Machine people also asking the Blades to come and fill on the Machine team for tournament this summer? I have only heard that the Blades need Machine kids for the Brick tournament

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:32 pm

Scrap- I think that is the nature of the Brick. Good point with the lending players I guess that's why people call it ckeck-book hockey.

scoreandscoreoften · Post by **scoreandscoreoften** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:07 pm

scrapiron wrote:It seems to me that a Winter Edina team would lend it's players to a winter Burnsville for a tournament.

This would not happen during the winter season. so why would the summer be any different? It is also clear that the loyalty for these summer teams runs very deep.

Is this one sided or are the Machine people also asking the Blades to come and fill on the Machine team for tournament this summer? I have only heard that the Blades need Machine kids for the Brick tournament

Hard to compare summer AAA to Winter MH. MH would not allow kids to play on other teams in a sanctioned tournament. Summer hockey doesn't have a governing body that prohibits playing for other teams, so they're free to move around.

In all honesty, BM is not the only coach that will not let his players play for another team in a tournament. There are a number of them.

unsportsmanlikeconduct · Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:56 pm

Machine parent wrote:
GreatOne99 wrote:
High Off The Glass wrote: Please elaberate. Excellent in what way? Explain how a parent coach, with very limited playing experience (if any, and I'm being kind), is going to develop your son. To be honest, a trained monkey can take the best 8-9 year old kids in the metro area coach and win hockey games, but years down the road, will these kids develop under a coach with no real coaching or playing experience. You must ask yourself, with the money your spending in that program, do you deserve better than parent coaching? Don't you already get that from association hockey? I'm not trying to turn this into another Blade vs. Machine thread, but it's a question worth asking
I'd love to read NIINTEAM's answer to HOTG's post. It's a good point worth discussing. Pay a lot of money to play top notch AAA hockey, and you have the choice (no pun intended) to play for a well respected coach (2000 blades), or a parent coach (2000 Machine), with no real coaching or playing background. I guess in the end, what experience does Bernie McBain have? I can answer that one, NONE!
Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!

Machine parent........take a deep breath and a step back, is this your oldest and or first child playing???? Its been said before on here this is a marathon, and just keep in the back of your head, the 95 machine are no longer and the "best 96 team in the country" at one point are not together anymore, who would have thought...... Like it or not Blades will......All if this will not matter in 6 years from now....

Machine parent · Post by **Machine parent** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:39 pm

unsportsmanlikeconduct wrote:
Machine parent wrote:
GreatOne99 wrote: I'd love to read NIINTEAM's answer to HOTG's post. It's a good point worth discussing. Pay a lot of money to play top notch AAA hockey, and you have the choice (no pun intended) to play for a well respected coach (2000 blades), or a parent coach (2000 Machine), with no real coaching or playing background. I guess in the end, what experience does Bernie McBain have? I can answer that one, NONE!
Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!
Machine parent........take a deep breath and a step back, is this your oldest and or first child playing???? Its been said before on here this is a marathon, and just keep in the back of your head, the 95 machine are no longer and the "best 96 team in the country" at one point are not together anymore, who would have thought...... Like it or not Blades will......All if this will not matter in 6 years from now....

No, not my first or oldest.

Here's the deal - the subject of this topic isn't "2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades SIX YEARS FROM NOW"! I'm just trying to stay on track with the original subject. The facts are that the 2000 Blades are in "transition" at the moment (is that a nice enough way to say it?) - they are on a little bit of a down curve for now. Fact is - six years from now. . .who knows? I'll give you that for sure but we are discussing where things are CURRENTLY at. All Blades lovers can keep looking into their crystal balls or read some more tarot cards or whatever your favorite method of prognostication is and keep hoping for the best down the line. But FOR NOW just accept the fact that your squad is VERY average and go have fun up at the Brick with your rent a player team!

High Off The Glass · Post by **High Off The Glass** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:49 am

Machine parent wrote:
unsportsmanlikeconduct wrote:
Machine parent wrote: Greatone99 and Highofftheglass - What do you think of the coaching job of your "experienced" 2000 Blades coach so far? Geeze, I hope you saw the Torspo/Blades game the other night so you could see the WONDERS that a coach with soooo much experience has done with that squad! To his credit he did do a good job instructing everyone on the team to get out of the way when either one of his two best players got the puck so they could try to skate it all the way up the ice! To say that it was pathetic would be not giving the Torspo team its due (but it WAS pathetic)!

At the end of the day the proof of how good a job the coach is doing is in the results. Check the records and let me know what you think.

I'll take my chances with the parent coach over your "well respected" strength coach with all that experience. FYI - that's what he is - a strength coach - not a hockey coach. Either that or, by definition from the above quote, a trained monkey!
Machine parent........take a deep breath and a step back, is this your oldest and or first child playing???? Its been said before on here this is a marathon, and just keep in the back of your head, the 95 machine are no longer and the "best 96 team in the country" at one point are not together anymore, who would have thought...... Like it or not Blades will......All if this will not matter in 6 years from now....
No, not my first or oldest.

Here's the deal - the subject of this topic isn't "2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades SIX YEARS FROM NOW"! I'm just trying to stay on track with the original subject. The facts are that the 2000 Blades are in "transition" at the moment (is that a nice enough way to say it?) - they are on a little bit of a down curve for now. Fact is - six years from now. . .who knows? I'll give you that for sure but we are discussing where things are CURRENTLY at. All Blades lovers can keep looking into their crystal balls or read some more tarot cards or whatever your favorite method of prognostication is and keep hoping for the best down the line. But FOR NOW just accept the fact that your squad is VERY average and go have fun up at the Brick with your rent a player team!

Keith and/or Bernie, take a pill and relax. Worry more about paying the electric bill at MM (past due I heard), and not the Blades, they'll be fine.

inthenet · Post by **inthenet** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:00 am

High Off The Glass wrote:
Machine parent wrote:
unsportsmanlikeconduct wrote: Machine parent........take a deep breath and a step back, is this your oldest and or first child playing???? Its been said before on here this is a marathon, and just keep in the back of your head, the 95 machine are no longer and the "best 96 team in the country" at one point are not together anymore, who would have thought...... Like it or not Blades will......All if this will not matter in 6 years from now....
No, not my first or oldest.

Here's the deal - the subject of this topic isn't "2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades SIX YEARS FROM NOW"! I'm just trying to stay on track with the original subject. The facts are that the 2000 Blades are in "transition" at the moment (is that a nice enough way to say it?) - they are on a little bit of a down curve for now. Fact is - six years from now. . .who knows? I'll give you that for sure but we are discussing where things are CURRENTLY at. All Blades lovers can keep looking into their crystal balls or read some more tarot cards or whatever your favorite method of prognostication is and keep hoping for the best down the line. But FOR NOW just accept the fact that your squad is VERY average and go have fun up at the Brick with your rent a player team!
Keith and/or Bernie, take a pill and relax. Worry more about paying the electric bill at MM (past due I heard), and not the Blades, they'll be fine.

Your comments really shows your inteligence!!!!

I don't think they would be opening a NEW dryland facility if money was an issue.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:20 am

How many kids left the Blades for the Icemen this year at the 00 level? The blades are still one of the top teams! Enjoy the hockey. Most importantly enjoy the time with the kids. They will be in Highschool soon enough riding the bus, then riding home with teamates. [It's not cool to ride with mom and dad] The kids at this level are still pure hockey players let them enjoy it. If your smart you will enjoy it with them. The kid on the 00 machine, may become your icemens best friend. The kids don't seem close to as worked up or care half as much about this as we adults do.[some of us more than others] MUST BE $$$ INVOLVED.

High Off The Glass · Post by **High Off The Glass** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:07 am

inthenet wrote:
High Off The Glass wrote:
Machine parent wrote: No, not my first or oldest.

Here's the deal - the subject of this topic isn't "2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades SIX YEARS FROM NOW"! I'm just trying to stay on track with the original subject. The facts are that the 2000 Blades are in "transition" at the moment (is that a nice enough way to say it?) - they are on a little bit of a down curve for now. Fact is - six years from now. . .who knows? I'll give you that for sure but we are discussing where things are CURRENTLY at. All Blades lovers can keep looking into their crystal balls or read some more tarot cards or whatever your favorite method of prognostication is and keep hoping for the best down the line. But FOR NOW just accept the fact that your squad is VERY average and go have fun up at the Brick with your rent a player team!
Keith and/or Bernie, take a pill and relax. Worry more about paying the electric bill at MM (past due I heard), and not the Blades, they'll be fine.
Your comments really shows your
inteligence!!!!
I don't think they would be opening a NEW dryland facility if money was an issue.

Used astroturf and home made russian boxes don't cost a lot of $. My inteligence or is it intelligence...Please!

GreatOne99 · Post by **GreatOne99** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:07 pm

High Off The Glass wrote:
inthenet wrote:
High Off The Glass wrote: Keith and/or Bernie, take a pill and relax. Worry more about paying the electric bill at MM (past due I heard), and not the Blades, they'll be fine.
Your comments really shows your
inteligence!!!!
I don't think they would be opening a NEW dryland facility if money was an issue.
Used astroturf and home made russian boxes don't cost a lot of $. My inteligence or is it intelligence...Please!

If Bernie is looking for used astroturf for cheap, I got some I can let him have from the back of my El Camino I just bought off some guy from Arkansas. Wear marks in spots, but otherwise it looks brand new!

Machine parent · Post by **Machine parent** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:40 pm

High Off The Glass wrote:
Machine parent wrote:
unsportsmanlikeconduct wrote: Machine parent........take a deep breath and a step back, is this your oldest and or first child playing???? Its been said before on here this is a marathon, and just keep in the back of your head, the 95 machine are no longer and the "best 96 team in the country" at one point are not together anymore, who would have thought...... Like it or not Blades will......All if this will not matter in 6 years from now....
No, not my first or oldest.

Here's the deal - the subject of this topic isn't "2000 Machine vs 2000 Blades SIX YEARS FROM NOW"! I'm just trying to stay on track with the original subject. The facts are that the 2000 Blades are in "transition" at the moment (is that a nice enough way to say it?) - they are on a little bit of a down curve for now. Fact is - six years from now. . .who knows? I'll give you that for sure but we are discussing where things are CURRENTLY at. All Blades lovers can keep looking into their crystal balls or read some more tarot cards or whatever your favorite method of prognostication is and keep hoping for the best down the line. But FOR NOW just accept the fact that your squad is VERY average and go have fun up at the Brick with your rent a player team!
Keith and/or Bernie, take a pill and relax. Worry more about paying the electric bill at MM (past due I heard), and not the Blades, they'll be fine.

They'll be fine is six years? If another 2000 team starts up like the Icemen did this last year where will the kids come from? I guess we'll all REALLY see just how good of a development guy your coach really is!

Good luck!

Anklebeater · Post by **Anklebeater** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:40 pm

old goalie85 wrote:How many kids left the Blades for the Icemen this year at the 00 level? The blades are still one of the top teams! Enjoy the hockey. Most importantly enjoy the time with the kids. They will be in Highschool soon enough riding the bus, then riding home with teamates. [It's not cool to ride with mom and dad] The kids at this level are still pure hockey players let them enjoy it. If your smart you will enjoy it with them. The kid on the 00 machine, may become your icemens best friend. The kids don't seem close to as worked up or care half as much about this as we adults do.[some of us more than others] MUST BE $$$ INVOLVED.

Let's all just relax a bit....So the Machine is top 2000 team in the state and its not close, so can't we just accept that...who really cares anyway? As long as kids are playing hockey and having fun, learning something new, so they come back and play next year and do it all over again! javascript:emoticon(':o')

10 year old kids loose a game and by the time they are in the car they are concerned about playing with their buddies anyway!!

stonehands · Post by **stonehands** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:40 am

GreatOne99 wrote:
Get over it Machine families, the Blades go the Brick and the Machine don't, it doesn't matter how much you whine on this blog is ever going to change that fact. As far as the 2000 Blades go, they are doing just fine and can take care of themselves. Good Luck at the Brick!

GreatOne is right on:
THE 2000 Blades are doing just fine! Some with the Machine, some with the Icemen, some with the Torspo and some with the Blades!

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:49 am

stonehands wrote:GreatOne99 wrote:
Get over it Machine families, the Blades go the Brick and the Machine don't, it doesn't matter how much you whine on this blog is ever going to change that fact. As far as the 2000 Blades go, they are doing just fine and can take care of themselves. Good Luck at the Brick!

GreatOne is right on:
THE 2000 Blades are doing just fine! Some with the Machine, some with the Icemen, some with the Torspo and some with the Blades!

Anklebeater · Post by **Anklebeater** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:35 pm

High Off The Glass wrote:
Terrible Ted Lindsay wrote:
terrymoore17 wrote: I have had two kids play in the Brick and have been to the Brick two other times (I am involved with the Blades).

The Brick is the most amazing tournament I have seen. One dad who played in the State HS tournament and WCHA called it the best tournament experience in hockey. You need to see it to believe it.

All games are played at the West Edmonton Mall (sister mall to MOA), under a glass dome. The rink is sunny. Crowds are big, especiall late r in the week, and right on top of the players. The level of play is very advanced. Lots of extras are included. All players must come from your assigned region (ours is MN) except each team can have three import players.

For the record, when we build our Brick teams, we always leave a few spots open for springtime additions. When we find the right players, we invite them to join us for the week. Most accept the invitation.
Terry, the brick is a great tournament, so why would u blow up the 2000 Blades? Change coaches, lose key kids, and destroy probably the best 2000 Hockey Team in Minnesota last year? For what?
Now you will take this Blades Team to the Brick and they will be embarrassed just like they were earlier this year in Chicago and the Meltdown Tourney! All because u personally fired the best Youth Coach in Minnesota and tore the 2000 Blades Team apart!
Can't get anybody to go with u to the Brick this year to shore up the much weaker team u have this year, eh? It's all about Coaching and ego Terry(yours in that regard), I don't even know last years Coach, but I saw the boys play and they were the best passing and position playing 9 year old team I've ever seen in my 40 years of coaching and playing hockey. If they had been kept together the Machine would have been an afterthought this year. BIG MISTAKE TERRY BOY!
Signed....Terrible Ted Lindsay
As I recall, didn't the 2000 Blades make it to the finals in Chicago? Not bad if you ask me. As far as last years 2000 coach being the "best coach in youth hockey in Minnesota" Ask someone how he's doing with a certain other team now. You are right on one point however, it's all about coaching and Stephens is a great coach with a proven track record. Keep bashing and cheering for failure up at the Brick, it's all you Machine people have left.

Stephens is a great coach and I would like to see two great coaches go at it...Blades vs Machine. Seems like at every other level they scrimmage all the time and have great competitive games.

Why don't they do it at the '00 level....I would buy a ticket for that one! Seems to me that the Blades need to have a fundraiser first to pay for plane tickets to get their kids to the scrimmage. The odd thing to me is that I heard the Blades scrimmaged the '00 Torspo squad is that true?

Deep Breath · Post by **Deep Breath** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:36 am

00 Blades did scrimmage the 00 Torspo. Finished in a 5-5 tie.

golemom · Post by **golemom** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:57 am

old goalie85 wrote:I've never been to a brick tourney. I am interested, just never had a kid at that level. It must be quite the event. Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?

I happen to run into one of the coaches of a north dakota or south dakota team at SR yesterday I had on a blades hat and he asked about that and he himself was a blade back in early nineties and asked about edmonton, he said its the best tournament ever.......and he got to win it when he went.....

EnjoyTheShow · Post by **EnjoyTheShow** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:07 pm

golemom wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:I've never been to a brick tourney. I am interested, just never had a kid at that level. It must be quite the event. Do any of you folks have any brick experience? Are they always in the same place?
I happen to run into one of the coaches of a north dakota or south dakota team at SR yesterday I had on a blades hat and he asked about that and he himself was a blade back in early nineties and asked about edmonton, he said its the best tournament ever.......and he got to win it when he went.....

I thought no Minnesota team has ever won the Brick. Can any one tell me if that is true?

It is surprising given how much talent I think this state has.

hockeyoldtimer · Post by **hockeyoldtimer** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:39 pm

I could be wrong but I was told that the 1997 Blades had the best showing
at the Brick for a Minnesota team and they got second when they went
a few years ago. Not really sure if this is true however.

TGO · Post by **TGO** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:04 am

As I recall, didn't the 2000 Blades make it to the finals in Chicago? Not bad if you ask me. As far as last years 2000 coach being the "best coach in youth hockey in Minnesota"

Ask someone how he's doing with a certain other team now. You are right on one point however, it's all about coaching and Stephens is a great coach with a proven track record. Keep bashing and cheering for failure up at the Brick, it's all you Machine people have left.[/quote]

Friends of ours has a kid that played for this so called best coach in hockey this year. What a joke! This kid will never play AAA hockey again because of the character of this guy and the experience he had. Can't believe what he pulled. My kid is a 97 (and I am a coach) and if a coach pulled that when my kid was a 2000, I would have walked without looking back. AAA hockey is for elite kids, but come on, we all deserve to have decent human beings as coaches. Sick of hearing about this guy being the best coach in hockey. What a joke.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:37 am

TGO wrote:As I recall, didn't the 2000 Blades make it to the finals in Chicago? Not bad if you ask me. As far as last years 2000 coach being the "best coach in youth hockey in Minnesota" Ask someone how he's doing with a certain other team now. You are right on one point however, it's all about coaching and Stephens is a great coach with a proven track record. Keep bashing and cheering for failure up at the Brick, it's all you Machine people have left.

Friends of ours has a kid that played for this so called best coach in hockey this year. What a joke! This kid will never play AAA hockey again because of the character of this guy and the experience he had. Can't believe what he pulled. My kid is a 97 (and I am a coach) and if a coach pulled that when my kid was a 2000, I would have walked without looking back. AAA hockey is for elite kids, but come on, we all deserve to have decent human beings as coaches. Sick of hearing about this guy being the best coach in hockey. What a joke.[/quote]

What did he pull?

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