I would love to hear from 01 Machine families, but I heard the letter and a parent meeting has already taken place regarding this issue with BM stating they can go ahead and tryout, but will not be invited back to their respective Machine teams. Love to hear if I got the facts wrong
That would be brilliant! Consider this- top 5 MMers tryout and get picked. BM kicks them off. Where would they go? Blades I suspect. Now the blades are much stronger and the machine much weaker. I assume that would not go over well with MM marketing message. Maybe hockey players are recruited, not made.
MM should just suck it up and wish their players well in tryouts. Sooner or later, they will all be playing elsewhere.
I would love to hear from 01 Machine families, but I heard the letter and a parent meeting has already taken place regarding this issue with BM stating they can go ahead and tryout, but will not be invited back to their respective Machine teams. Love to hear if I got the facts wrong
That would be brilliant! Consider this- top 5 MMers tryout and get picked. BM kicks them off. Where would they go? Blades I suspect. Now the blades are much stronger and the machine much weaker. I assume that would not go over well with MM marketing message. Maybe hockey players are recruited, not made.
MM should just suck it up and wish their players well in tryouts. Sooner or later, they will all be playing elsewhere.
Someone please explain to me how BM can bring a lawsuit against D6 (see other thread), arguing that families are not being giving a "Choice" to persue a perceived chance to improve their skills with the Choice league and not being able to play games in D6 and at the same time BM prevents his Machine players from trying out for a chance to play one week with another team in a tournament MM is not involved in. Many individuals have asked, but no MM people have responded. Could it be that their is no answer to the question? Machine 01 parents, are you out of your mind, get back control of your life and start making your own dicisions again. If you play on the Brick team and BM won't take your kid back, do you really believe BM thought of your kid very highly, or was he a kid who just paid the frieght for the other more skilled players. Think about it!
We just found out today that the tournament dates have been changed to July 4-10, 2011. this is a better vacation week anyway. Our tryout schedule remains the same, starting on December 4-5.
Tryouts are now less than three weeks away and registrations are going well. We still have room for some more players, but the sooner you register, the better. When we get to 60 kids, we will have to decide whether to cut it off or buy more tryout ice.
Also, if you want to play but have a conflict the weekend of December 4-5, please email me. My address is on the website.
Why would any hockey PARENT let this guy tell them what to do??? When I pay for a product I call the shots. Never had any of my five kids skate at MM, I just don't get it. People you are the ones writing the checks. Tell him to get Screwed.
old goalie85 wrote:Why would any hockey PARENT let this guy tell them what to do??? When I pay for a product I call the shots. Never had any of my five kids skate at MM, I just don't get it. People you are the ones writing the checks. Tell him to get Screwed.
OG85 - I don't have a kid that skates on any of his teams, but many of the parents who I've talked to that do really seem convinced that he is the guy and his methods will get the most out of their kids. If there is any truth to him discouraging his Machine players from attending the tryouts, the parents might let him get away with it because they don't want to risk that relationship for one tournament.
old goalie85 wrote:Why would any hockey PARENT let this guy tell them what to do??? When I pay for a product I call the shots. Never had any of my five kids skate at MM, I just don't get it. People you are the ones writing the checks. Tell him to get Screwed.
OG85 - I don't have a kid that skates on any of his teams, but many of the parents who I've talked to that do really seem convinced that he is the guy and
his methods will get the most out of their kids.
If there is any truth to him discouraging his Machine players from attending the tryouts, the parents might let him get away with it because they don't want to risk that relationship for one tournament.
What methods would that be? Screaming, sitting, practices behind curtains, etc...? Sooner or later MM parents get it and leave (96,97, and now numerous top 98s'). It's too bad the 01's haven't figured it out yet.
It is safe to say that the 2001 blades have much better coaches than MM ever had.
MM would most likely get defections once their kids were exposed to LP and GD.
old goalie85 wrote:Why would any hockey PARENT let this guy tell them what to do??? When I pay for a product I call the shots. Never had any of my five kids skate at MM, I just don't get it. People you are the ones writing the checks. Tell him to get Screwed.
OG85 - I don't have a kid that skates on any of his teams, but many of the parents who I've talked to that do really seem convinced that he is the guy and
his methods will get the most out of their kids.
If there is any truth to him discouraging his Machine players from attending the tryouts, the parents might let him get away with it because they don't want to risk that relationship for one tournament.
What methods would that be? Screaming, sitting, practices behind curtains, etc...? Sooner or later MM parents get it and leave (96,97, and now numerous top 98s'). It's too bad the 01's haven't figured it out yet.
Don't forget the 95s. It's funny how parents get seduced by the Orange jerseys when the kids are really young, then in a few years, they pretty much all become disillusioned....without fail.
I am a Machine 01 parent. We did have a team meeting and this was one of the topics brought up. We are all onboard with the decision not to participate in the Brick tournament. So now you know if you didn’t already. I will not go into details or reasoning, but I’m sure you can think of some on your own. Last year, unsolicited, my son told me how much he enjoys playing for the Machine team. I'm pretty sure other parents got the same message from their sons or daughters and that carries great weight in which programs you will participate in. I have all the respect for the Blades coaches, parents and players and believe that the feeling is mutual. That goes for the other AAA programs too. Good luck to those who participate in the Brick tourneyment.
Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are:
High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
scott free wrote:Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are:
High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
Are you kidding me??? If YOU took the time to read the posts from this past summer there were multiple posts from MM parents/fans blasting the blades for not taking anyone other than a Blade player to the Brick. So now the Blades are offering this opportunity to all kids and the MM kids can't participate. WHAT do you people want? You can add me to the list who is tired to listening to both sides.
I am neither a Blades or a Machine advocate. I think both have their strengths and weaknesses just like most AAA programs. I do have to say that in my opinion this decision to open the Brick tournament to other players than just Blades players was done out of necessity. They have not fared to well in recent tournaments and with the 01 Blades losing 10 - 1 to the Machine in the Caribou they saw the writing on the wall. Do something now or lose your charter. I am glad they were able to put their ego to the side and do what is best for MN kids. I do wish the Machine parents would do the same. I would hope everyone would want the team that represents the "state of hockey" to bring the most talented kids in the state to the brick. I really believe with the amount of talented hockey players in MN the team could challenge for the title on a yearly basis. Good Luck to the 01 Brick Team from Mn!
If you read my past post you will see that I do not land on either side of the Blades / Machine debate, but I would have to say that I do not recall any post where people were criticizing the Blades for not taking player out side of the Blades. I do read most all of the youth threads. Could you get the quote from any of those threads?
scott free wrote:Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are: High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
RsmtMoose wrote:I am a Machine 01 parent. We did have a team meeting and this was one of the topics brought up.
We are all onboard with the decision not to participate in the Brick tournament.
So now you know if you didn’t already. I will not go into details or reasoning, but I’m sure you can think of some on your own. Last year, unsolicited, my son told me how much he enjoys playing for the Machine team. I'm pretty sure other parents got the same message from their sons or daughters and that carries great weight in which programs you will participate in. I have all the respect for the Blades coaches, parents and players and believe that the feeling is mutual. That goes for the other AAA programs too. Good luck to those who participate in the Brick tourneyment.
You better all be in agreement with BM, or you're kids not coming back. It's too bad parents have to rely on BM to make decicions on behalf of your kids. Hey, I understand, your backed into a corner, go tryout and your off the team and little Johnny going to be heartbroken. I get it, but there will be a time when, you as a parent, have to step back and decide that you will be making the decisions about your kids future, and not someone who's main interest is his bank account. Believe me, if your kid is a top 3-5 skater on the Machine and you play on the Brick team, he'll take you back, no questions asked. If your kids skating on the third line and happens to make the Brick team, you're done with the Machine, he can find someone else the next day to play on the third line and pay the freight for the rest who actually get to play. Think about it!
hockeyfan74 wrote:I am neither a Blades or a Machine advocate. I think both have their strengths and weaknesses just like most AAA programs. I do have to say that in my opinion this decision to open the Brick tournament to other players than just Blades players was done out of necessity. They have not fared to well in recent tournaments and with the 01 Blades losing 10 - 1 to the Machine in the Caribou they saw the writing on the wall. Do something now or lose your charter. I am glad they were able to put their ego to the side and do what is best for MN kids. I do wish the Machine parents would do the same. I would hope everyone would want the team that represents the "state of hockey" to bring the most talented kids in the state to the brick. I really believe with the amount of talented hockey players in MN the team could challenge for the title on a yearly basis. Good Luck to the 01 Brick Team from Mn!
Not so sure the 00 Machine team would have done much better last year..... The Machine lost to Torspo last year in the semis of the Caribou and the Blades went on to beat "The" Torspo 6-2 in the title game. Bernie needs to loosen his claws so that all the top kids can represent our district.
May I be added to scott free's list? It looks like good company....
Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are:
High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
scott free wrote:Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are:
High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
Are you kidding me??? If YOU took the time to read the posts from this past summer there were multiple posts from MM parents/fans blasting the blades for not taking anyone other than a Blade player to the Brick. So now the Blades are offering this opportunity to all kids and the MM kids can't participate. WHAT do you people want? You can add me to the list who is tired to listening to both sides.
My thoughts exactly. And kind of ironic, huh? This is the same guy who is suing District 6 because they won't let their parents have the choice of doing both, yet he won't let the parents of his Machine players have that choice as well.
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scott free wrote:Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are:
High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
If we're wrong, then explain why there is a trend of teams quitting on McBain after a few years. Why do you think that is? You know our opinion, would love to hear yours.
The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Don't hate BM since I do not know him, but I do respect what he has done because it does give kids who are from so called inferior circumstances the opportunity to play with kids of a similar level.
He does not have the secret sauce, but he has to tell people he does so he can sell ice time, which is perfectly legit. My experience shows that these kids get an early leg up, but the only way to maintain it is to provide balance and to provide a positive environment to thrive. Real hockey development starts past puberty, so the countless summer hours spent on "development" at an early age has diminishing returns. Being from strong association provides a different perspective on the value of MM. Kids that go there do not come back better than their peers, but I do have friends who go there and love it anyway.
Think of kids potential athletic development as an empty glass. As the kids get older, the glass gets bigger. Some kids glasses will always be bigger than others, some will flip flop with others, and eventually the glass size will stop growing-some at 15, others at 30 (who knows). If you want to fill that glass (maximize athletic potential), you need a variety of things to do that. No one item will fill it alone. There are times that you will overfill that glass, so the extra time and effort to fill it goes wasted. Many may never get it over half full, and that is unrealized potential. Your role as a parent is to make sure you do not constantly overfill that glass-since it does nothing but make a mess. It is a long journey and you never know when that glass stops growing, or when it may may get a lot bigger all of a sudden.
Cheesy analogy, but it gets the concept across of not overdoing it when they are young.
If your kid is good enough to play at the brick, and BM says you can't, then I would wonder if he had the best interests of my kid or his business in his heart.
This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.
RsmtMoose wrote:I am a Machine 01 parent. We did have a team meeting and this was one of the topics brought up. We are all onboard with the decision not to participate in the Brick tournament. So now you know if you didn’t already. I will not go into details or reasoning, but I’m sure you can think of some on your own. Last year, unsolicited, my son told me how much he enjoys playing for the Machine team. I'm pretty sure other parents got the same message from their sons or daughters and that carries great weight in which programs you will participate in. I have all the respect for the Blades coaches, parents and players and believe that the feeling is mutual. That goes for the other AAA programs too. Good luck to those who participate in the Brick tourneyment.
Last summer all I read on this blog from Machine/MM parents was how bad the 00 team were doing up at the Brick and they should open it up to the "best" skaters from all over MN, and how the Blades were "scared" to allow Machine players on the ice. Well, how the worm has turned. It's now open to all players in an effort to put out the strongest team to compete in a now international tourney. Seems to me that the Blades have called BM's bluff, and he blinked. No Machine players allowed to tryout-or tryout and you get the boot. Who's self interest is being served here?
Another issue is MM has a 2001 team. It's not like they're invited to just miss one weekend of activity for the tourney they will have a month of practices before then. What if 6 MM players are missing for a month? What if they have a tourney plannned themsleves during the same time? Do the 8 Machine players not going to the Brick just practice on their own? So, there are some scheduling issues. Here's the solution. Maybe the 01 Blades that don't make the Brick team (what are they doing for the month?) can practice with the 01 Machine that don't make it. Total love fest.
scott free wrote:Once again it is the same six guys saying the same old thing, how much they hate Bernie and Minnesota Made. How bad Minnesota Made is for Minnesota Hockey. The Blades are good and the Machine is bad.
If you are new or uninitiated and if you spend anytime read this blog, it will become very clear. It is something that you have to get used to. It does make for good entertainment. Most folks on this site are great and have good input
The Champions of the I hate Bernie/MN Made are: High off the Glass
Old goalies 85
Great one 99
Toomuchtoosoon
Muckandgrind
Dogeatdog
Have fun reading and take it with a grain of salt.
Top of the list baby! yaba daba doo
First of all I would like to thank all of the little people that helped me make such a prestigous list... as one of the watchdogs on the board I would hope that people take what everyoneon this board says with a grain of salt. Hockey is full of Nutbags with big egos and bigger opinions. If you search through all of that you can actually make some life long friends through the sport.
I was going to stay out of this -- but with the comment about the Blades' coaching being better -- YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING -- do you know the 01' Machine Coach????? Obviously NOT!
Top of the list baby! yaba daba doo
needs to loosen his claws so that all the top kids can represent our district.