Lets Talk Enrollment

PeaceFrogs · Post by **PeaceFrogs** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:29 am

I think it would be interesting if someone could come up with a ranking system of high school hockey programs that integrate typical rankings with enrollments. For example, someone please rank Roseau, Duluth East, and Eden Prairie based not only on how strong the team seems to be (current rankings) but also on how many students are actually in the high school. From grades 9-12 in mshsl, see link below: Roseau, 393 students; Duluth East, 1396 students; Eden Prairie, 3079 students.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/index.asp

shakey · Post by **shakey** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:51 am

PeaceFrogs wrote:I think it would be interesting if someone could come up with a ranking system of high school hockey programs that integrate typical rankings with enrollments. For example, someone please rank Roseau, Duluth East, and Eden Prairie based not only on how strong the team seems to be (current rankings) but also on how many students are actually in the high school. From grades 9-12 in mshsl, see link below: Roseau, 393 students; Duluth East, 1396 students; Eden Prairie, 3079 students.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/index.asp

#1 EP
#2 DE
#3 Roseau

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:58 am

A tuba player is a tuba player in Eden Prarie. In Roseau, they turn a tuba player into a Hockey player.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:00 am

PeaceFrogs wrote:I think it would be interesting if someone could come up with a ranking system of high school hockey programs that integrate typical rankings with enrollments. For example, someone please rank Roseau, Duluth East, and Eden Prairie based not only on how strong the team seems to be (current rankings) but also on how many students are actually in the high school. From grades 9-12 in mshsl, see link below: Roseau, 393 students; Duluth East, 1396 students; Eden Prairie, 3079 students.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/index.asp

Win %, divided by 50% enrollment, times strength of schedule

PoniesDad45 · Post by **PoniesDad45** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:31 am

Any stats that show Roseau anything less than #1 is Fuzzy Math

outside_observer · Post by **outside_observer** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:35 am

Win %, divided by 50% enrollment, times strength of schedule

Team--------Crazy number
Roseau------0.043015267
EP----------0.008411822
DE----------0.016821872

I don't know what this means. is a small number better???

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:39 am

I'm trying to do FL'S. How do you get strength of sched.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:43 am

outside_observer wrote:
Win %, divided by 50% enrollment, times strength of schedule

Team--------Crazy number
Roseau------0.043015267
EP----------0.008411822
DE----------0.016821872

I don't know what this means. is a small number better???

1) Roseau .043
2) DE .017
3) EP .008

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:44 am

old goalie85 wrote:I'm trying to do FL'S. How do you get strength of sched.

I think you can find it on the guys web site that does the PS2 rankings. He has a strength of schedule ranking for each team, though I think it can/does change from week to week

Post by **east hockey** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:46 am

High Flyer wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:I'm trying to do FL'S. How do you get strength of sched.

I think you can find it on the guys web site that does the PS2 rankings. He has a strength of schedule ranking for each team, though I think it can/does change from week to week

www.minnhock.com/strength.htm

Lee

Guru20 · Post by **Guru20** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:46 am

I think it is interesting to look at, but school enrollment plays little in the success of a High School. A very large public High School may have very few kids tryout for hockey where they don't even have to make any cuts.

Enrollment in the school's youth association, how many kids actually participate in that sport would be a much better indicator.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:10 am

FL, .0056- seems inline ???

hocmom · Post by **hocmom** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:03 pm

Add this to the equation.

Mankato East vs. Mankato West.

One youth assn. Two results.

stpaul · Post by **stpaul** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:42 pm

Guru20 wrote:I think it is interesting to look at, but school enrollment plays little in the success of a High School. A very large public High School may have very few kids tryout for hockey where they don't even have to make any cuts.

Enrollment in the school's youth association, how many kids actually participate in that sport would be a much better indicator.

Surely you meant community's youth association. Because we all know that schools don't own or operate youth hockey associations. Don't we?

black sheep · Post by **black sheep** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:54 pm

Guru20 wrote: how many kids actually participate in that sport would be a much better indicator.

not sure that is a direct indicator either...roseau has 34 squirts total (A&B combined) according to their youth hockey website...i doubt there is a metro school that can match those #'s

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:04 pm

34 out of how many 4th & 5th graders in that town?

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:20 pm

It's not like all 3200 kids at EP are trying out for the hockey team. A more fair number would be how many people actually try out for boys hockey at the school because that's really all you get to pick from. It's not like Gabe from chess club can just lace em up and get out there with the top teams in the state too. I would be willing to bet anything that, although EP has the highest enrollment out of that list, they have by far the lowest percentage of total enrollment trying out for boys hockey and the difference in the overall numbers from EP to DE to Roseau wouldn't be that staggering.

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:25 pm

High Flyer wrote:
PeaceFrogs wrote:I think it would be interesting if someone could come up with a ranking system of high school hockey programs that integrate typical rankings with enrollments. For example, someone please rank Roseau, Duluth East, and Eden Prairie based not only on how strong the team seems to be (current rankings) but also on how many students are actually in the high school. From grades 9-12 in mshsl, see link below: Roseau, 393 students; Duluth East, 1396 students; Eden Prairie, 3079 students.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/index.asp
Win %, divided by 50% enrollment, times strength of schedule

Ya can't just do that, nice try though. Your just randomly assigning weight to specific categories such as sos based on whether the scale is 1-10 or 1-100 and either way it would mean essentially nothing because the enrollment, even when divided by 2, is so much higher.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:47 pm

there is a system in place already...separate classes. and i'm gonna be the first to bring it up... how do you factor in the privates?

salol44 · Post by **salol44** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:33 pm

I remember a few years ago when Hill Murray won the title there was an article in the paper saying they had 93 kids try out for varsity.

Roseau does have 34 squirts on there roster but every kid in that town plays hockey when they are younger. They lose kids every year just like everyone else. By the time you get to high school you might have 30 or so kids try out for varsity, which is probably about average. It's been about 12 years since I played so things might have changed, they might have better numbers, I don't know.

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:58 pm

MHGr8ness wrote:there is a system in place already...separate classes. and i'm gonna be the first to bring it up... how do you factor in the privates?

Privates should be forced into AA. So sick of STA and Breck ruining A when they play a full AA schedule anyways. Why should they be in the A tournament. Plus these schools pull from anywhere, they should all be in AA. No question.

ryno44 · Post by **ryno44** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:42 pm

HockeyMN1 wrote:
MHGr8ness wrote:there is a system in place already...separate classes. and i'm gonna be the first to bring it up... how do you factor in the privates?
Privates should be forced into AA. So sick of STA and Breck ruining A when they play a full AA schedule anyways. Why should they be in the A tournament. Plus these schools pull from anywhere, they should all be in AA. No question.

Couldn't agree more. Or private schools only play private schools.

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:45 pm

ryno44 wrote:
HockeyMN1 wrote:
MHGr8ness wrote:there is a system in place already...separate classes. and i'm gonna be the first to bring it up... how do you factor in the privates?
Privates should be forced into AA. So sick of STA and Breck ruining A when they play a full AA schedule anyways. Why should they be in the A tournament. Plus these schools pull from anywhere, they should all be in AA. No question.
Couldn't agree more. Or private schools only play private schools.

I wouldn't do that cause there are some great Public-Private rivalries out there but they should all be AA.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:51 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:A tuba player is a tuba player in Eden Prarie. In Roseau, they turn a tuba player into a Hockey player.

Quote of the week! Thanks, I needed something funny to read today.

HockeyMN1 · Post by **HockeyMN1** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:32 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:A tuba player is a tuba player in Eden Prarie. In Roseau, they turn a tuba player into a Hockey player.

Well good to know that we'll have a fine pep band at state this year.

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