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I believe they would probably finish 1 & 2; maybe, having to play the teams ranked higher in the SEC would certainly give them better tests than they get now!PuckU126 wrote:And HM and STA would still clean house in the SEC.
You have to keep in mind that every other game is a joke for Hill and STA. If they played in the SEC they would not have a night off. They would be much more fatigued and injured. The SEC is a very physical conference. I do not disagree with you that they would finish 1 and 2 but I have a feeling they would lose a game or two to Stillwater and White Bear.PuckU126 wrote:And HM and STA would still clean house in the SEC.
Being that St Thomas has beaten their SEC opponents this year each by 1 goal, I would have to agree with the beating up. Hill would run the table, St Thomas would end up with 1-3 losses.gophs1616 wrote:You have to keep in mind that every other game is a joke for Hill and STA. If they played in the SEC they would not have a night off. They would be much more fatigued and injured. The SEC is a very physical conference. I do not disagree with you that they would finish 1 and 2 but I have a feeling they would lose a game or two to Stillwater and White Bear.PuckU126 wrote:And HM and STA would still clean house in the SEC.
There are lies, damn lies and then statistics. The game is played on the ice. The #4 CSC team North St. Paul smacking #2 SEC Stillwater last night disproves your stats. The CSC going 7-1 against the SEC so far this year disproves your stats. The average rank for the CSC is clearly dragged way down by Sibley, Simley and Richfield. The other 6 teams are better at the top and better in the middle than the SEC. North proved that last night.WHAFightingSaints wrote:I took three sites that rank both Class A and AA together to find the average rank for each team and conference. The SEC ranks a whopping 22 spots higher than the CSC
CSC
Hill Murray Average rank = 2.0
STA = 9.67
South St. Paul = 33.34
North St. Paul = 48.67
Mahtomedi = 50.34
Tartan = 60.34
Henry Sibley = 113.34
Richfield = 116.34
Simley = 118.67
Average Rank = 61.42
SEC
White Bear Lake = 16.0
Stillwater = 20.67
Roseville = 25.34
Cretin-Derham Hall = 29.67
Hastings = 35.67
Woodbury = 43.0
Forest Lake = 44.34
East Ridge = 54.0
Mounds View = 60.0
Park-Cottage Grove = 65.34
Average Rank = 39.41
They're close to the bottom...north*hockey wrote:Sorry buddy but I don't buy these stats one bit. Hastings at the 30 spot and lost 12 to 2 vs. duluth east??!!! NSP (at the bottom of the CSC) just beat one of the top SEC teams 4-0! I really don't understand you SEC people how you keep trying to show your dominance over the CSC. Just because your regular season is good competition doesn't seem to amount to much in march....
You CSC people still have to claim your bottom feeders, they are part of your conference and they do bring the CSC down drastically, can't just throw them out stat wise.stpaul wrote:There are lies, damn lies and then statistics. The game is played on the ice. The #4 CSC team North St. Paul smacking #2 SEC Stillwater last night disproves your stats. The CSC going 7-1 against the SEC so far this year disproves your stats. The average rank for the CSC is clearly dragged way down by Sibley, Simley and Richfield. The other 6 teams are better at the top and better in the middle than the SEC. North proved that last night.WHAFightingSaints wrote:I took three sites that rank both Class A and AA together to find the average rank for each team and conference. The SEC ranks a whopping 22 spots higher than the CSC
CSC
Hill Murray Average rank = 2.0
STA = 9.67
South St. Paul = 33.34
North St. Paul = 48.67
Mahtomedi = 50.34
Tartan = 60.34
Henry Sibley = 113.34
Richfield = 116.34
Simley = 118.67
Average Rank = 61.42
SEC
White Bear Lake = 16.0
Stillwater = 20.67
Roseville = 25.34
Cretin-Derham Hall = 29.67
Hastings = 35.67
Woodbury = 43.0
Forest Lake = 44.34
East Ridge = 54.0
Mounds View = 60.0
Park-Cottage Grove = 65.34
Average Rank = 39.41
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Nobody has a larger hockey association than the privates. I think HM's runs from Edina to Hudson WI.drop the puck wrote:Stillwater and WBL are two of the largest high schools in the state with two of the largest hockey programs in the state.
Why can't they get by Hill
Unable to keep their more talented players in their home town ?
or fail to develop enough high caliber players to make the loss of a few high end players insignificant ?
Well stated, Youngy... But the shame is, just think of all those kids that leave associations with the visions of playing for H-M or STA, etc, that get cut, and quit playing hockey, although they would still be good enough to play at their hometown team... HS hockey as a whole would be even better.youngblood08 wrote:When you strip the top A Bantam players from WBL and Stillwater it has a huge effect........no matter how big the association is. Look at Woodbury ER now think that split doesn't hurt? Hill and STA get the top players and that wont change, the only bright spot is that a few kids get to experience playing high school hockey that wouldn't get that chance if players didn't leave.
Goldfishdude wrote:Well stated, Youngy... But the shame is, just think of all those kids that leave associations with the visions of playing for H-M or STA, etc, that get cut, and quit playing hockey, although they would still be good enough to play at their hometown team... HS hockey as a whole would be even better.youngblood08 wrote:When you strip the top A Bantam players from WBL and Stillwater it has a huge effect........no matter how big the association is. Look at Woodbury ER now think that split doesn't hurt? Hill and STA get the top players and that wont change, the only bright spot is that a few kids get to experience playing high school hockey that wouldn't get that chance if players didn't leave.
Day 1 of SectionsWHAFightingSaints wrote:,You CSC people still have to claim your bottom feeders, they are part of your conference and they do bring the CSC down drastically, can't just throw them out stat wise.stpaul wrote:There are lies, damn lies and then statistics. The game is played on the ice. The #4 CSC team North St. Paul smacking #2 SEC Stillwater last night disproves your stats. The CSC going 7-1 against the SEC so far this year disproves your stats. The average rank for the CSC is clearly dragged way down by Sibley, Simley and Richfield. The other 6 teams are better at the top and better in the middle than the SEC. North proved that last night.WHAFightingSaints wrote:I took three sites that rank both Class A and AA together to find the average rank for each team and conference. The SEC ranks a whopping 22 spots higher than the CSC
CSC
Hill Murray Average rank = 2.0
STA = 9.67
South St. Paul = 33.34
North St. Paul = 48.67
Mahtomedi = 50.34
Tartan = 60.34
Henry Sibley = 113.34
Richfield = 116.34
Simley = 118.67
Average Rank = 61.42
SEC
White Bear Lake = 16.0
Stillwater = 20.67
Roseville = 25.34
Cretin-Derham Hall = 29.67
Hastings = 35.67
Woodbury = 43.0
Forest Lake = 44.34
East Ridge = 54.0
Mounds View = 60.0
Park-Cottage Grove = 65.34
Average Rank = 39.41
The 7-1 record is good, however the SEC didn't schedule any of the bottom feeders to boost their records.
Have to give credit to the Polars for beating a struggling Stillwater team.
I'm not sure which conference is better overall, I do know that the SEC has many more competetive games than does the CSC, doesn't make it better though, just more exciting.
I do like the posts that have been coming in though stirring things up!
Let's see how the section's turn out and then we can have some more fun
Section 4AA Quarterfinal Resultsstpaul wrote:There are lies, damn lies and then statistics. The game is played on the ice. The #4 CSC team North St. Paul smacking #2 SEC Stillwater last night disproves your stats. The CSC going 7-1 against the SEC so far this year disproves your stats. The average rank for the CSC is clearly dragged way down by Sibley, Simley and Richfield. The other 6 teams are better at the top and better in the middle than the SEC. North proved that last night.WHAFightingSaints wrote:I took three sites that rank both Class A and AA together to find the average rank for each team and conference. The SEC ranks a whopping 22 spots higher than the CSC
CSC
Hill Murray Average rank = 2.0
STA = 9.67
South St. Paul = 33.34
North St. Paul = 48.67
Mahtomedi = 50.34
Tartan = 60.34
Henry Sibley = 113.34
Richfield = 116.34
Simley = 118.67
Average Rank = 61.42
SEC
White Bear Lake = 16.0
Stillwater = 20.67
Roseville = 25.34
Cretin-Derham Hall = 29.67
Hastings = 35.67
Woodbury = 43.0
Forest Lake = 44.34
East Ridge = 54.0
Mounds View = 60.0
Park-Cottage Grove = 65.34
Average Rank = 39.41
Sure and ultimately the teams heading to the X count the most then, right?WHAFightingSaints wrote: Section 4AA Quarterfinal Results
SEC- Stillwater 5
CSC- Tartan 1
SEC- Roseville 3
CSC- North St. Paul 2
Win or go home games go to the SEC!!
Love the postseason results, that's when it counts!
That is correct, win or go home.drop the puck wrote:Sure and ultimately the teams heading to the X count the most then, right?WHAFightingSaints wrote: Section 4AA Quarterfinal Results
SEC- Stillwater 5
CSC- Tartan 1
SEC- Roseville 3
CSC- North St. Paul 2
Win or go home games go to the SEC!!
Love the postseason results, that's when it counts!
