Who makes it out of D8 PWA playoffs?

[hocman]

Seeds are as follows. 3 Teams Advance with the 4 place team playing the D9 4 place for extra spot in regions.

1. Farmington
2. Rosemount
3. Woodbury
4. Lakeville South
5. Lakeville North
6. Eastview
7. Sibley
8. Hastings
9. Inver Grove/ SSP
10. Eagan

[Towelie]

Well you can pretty much set in stone Rosemount and Farmington are moving on...a better question would be who will take the 3rd and lucky 4th spot.

[Night Train]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

[hocman]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

[Mnhockeys]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

The question should be directed to D9, which also has 3 berth in south regional and a potential 4th with a play-in game vs. D8#4. D9 best team ranks around 38 in the state!

[hocman]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

The question should be directed to D9, which also has 3 berth in south regional and a potential 4th with a play-in game vs. D8 #4. D8 best team ranks around 38 in the state!

You mean D9's best team ranks 38th in the state.

[Mnhockeys]

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

The question should be directed to D9, which also has 3 berth in south regional and a potential 4th with a play-in game vs. D8 #4. D8 best team ranks around 38 in the state!

You mean D9's best team ranks 38th in the state.

Yes, fixed!

[Concerned Hockey Coach]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

I presume that they had to keep the extra berth in the South Regional, which just happens to be the weakest this year. It rotates so its hard to protest too much. Tough when there's 8 regional spots for 3 districts... one always gets 2 and there's on way to rotate the regionals without two weak districts occasionally getting in one regional.

D3 may not have the top end teams that D6 has, but I think its a stretch to say that there's a fall off after Wayzata and OMG. Mpls Park, Crow River and Armstrong will all compete for the final spot. Mpls Park beat OMG and has tied Wayzata, while Crow River went 1-1 with Mpls Park and Armstrong just tied Mpls Park or OMG I believe and lost to Wayzata by a goal.

[Night Train]

D6 has 3 berths this year and D3 has 2.

When District 1 was alive they offered their 3rd berth to the District with only 2 berths by having a play in game between the 3rd place teams for District 1s 3rd berth. All I suggested is shouldn't the play in game be with a District with only 2 berths (District 3 this year) as opposed to a District, and potentially a weaker one, that already has 3 berths.

[Concerned Hockey Coach]

D6 has 3 berths this year and D3 has 2.

When District 1 was alive they offered their 3rd berth to the District with only 2 berths by having a play in game between the 3rd place teams for District 1s 3rd berth. All I suggested is shouldn't the play in game be with a District with only 2 berths (District 3 this year) as opposed to a District, and potentially a weaker one, that already has 3 berths.

In theory probably. D8 is with D9 and D4 this year. D8 got 3 seeds, D4 three seeds, and D4 2 seeds, BUT D4 has 3 teams and gave one of its seeds to D9 and D8, to be determined by a playoff game.

I am guessing that you can't have a South regional district give its seed to a non-South regional district, such as D3.

[iseepalms]

Everyone wanted District 1 out so there teams could get more playoff spots, All I can say is you were not careful what you asked for. I am very happy that the only association that had the guts and went to District 8 is Johnsonson/Como. Yes their "A" Pee Wee team was last but District 8 has 5 teams in the top 25 and talking to the people at Johnson/Como yes they took their lumps but they got better all year. Again all you people that thought you were beating the system I feel sorry for you that you didn't want to keep district 1 around now fight 4 teams from District 8. So now you have two districts to fight 6 and 8. I hope you are all proud.

[ctbrow1]

D6 has 3 berths this year and D3 has 2.

When District 1 was alive they offered their 3rd berth to the District with only 2 berths by having a play in game between the 3rd place teams for District 1s 3rd berth. All I suggested is shouldn't the play in game be with a District with only 2 berths (District 3 this year) as opposed to a District, and potentially a weaker one, that already has 3 berths.

In theory probably. D8 is with D9 and D4 this year. D8 got 3 seeds, D4 three seeds, and D4 2 seeds, BUT D4 has 3 teams and gave one of its seeds to D9 and D8, to be determined by a playoff game.

I am guessing that you can't have a South regional district give its seed to a non-South regional district, such as D3.

They could do that...3 years ago D1 gave its 3rd spot to a play-in game that was won by Roseville. And there were no other D2 teams in the bracket. I am surprised there isn't a rule in the Minnesota Hockey hand book.

It's unique and it gives teams in the district hope. Farmington and Rosemount could easily compete with 1997 AAA teams at the national level. Woodbury is so close to those 2 that it almost seems unfair. Against my team, they were the best. There can be upsets...but those 3 are locks...now Lakeville N, Lakeville S, Eastview have to feel pretty good about extending their seasons. It makes for good fun. My pick is the 11 seed Apple Valley.

My picks for the games are:

Playin games

IGH/SSP over Sibley
Lakeville North over Como
Eagan over Sibley
Apple Valley over Eastview

Round 2

Farmington over IGH/SSP
Lakeville South over Lakeville North
Rosemount over Eagan
Woodbury over Apple Valley

round 3

Farmington over Lakeville South
Woodbury over Rosemount
IGH/SSP over Lakeville North
Apple Valley over Eagan

round 4/5

Farmington over Rosemount and wins the Distr tourney
Woodbury over IGH/SSP
Apple Valley over Lakeville South

Woodbury over Apple Valley

1. Farmington
2. Rosemount
3. Woodbury
4. Apple Valley

Here's the link to the bracket:

http://www.stickstats.com/district8/lea ... aplay.html

[iseepalms]

If AppleValley beats Eastview there should be an investigation. Apple Valley lost 10 in a row after playing Johnson/Como and finally got beat by last place Eagan to put Johnson/Como from 10th to to last, A district 8 setup so Eagan did't have to play Lakeville North. Go district 10!!!!!!!

[ctbrow1]

If AppleValley beats Eastview there should be an investigation. Apple Valley lost 10 in a row after playing Johnson/Como and finally got beat by last place Eagan to put Johnson/Como from 10th to to last, A district 8 setup so Eagan did't have to play Lakeville North. Go district 10!!!!!!!

palms, i knew you were from Como. The only problem with your theory is that Eastview and Apple Valley were in D6 last season. Though, an all-Apple Valley matchup makes for interesting hockey. The banter at the Junior High should be fun for the kids. A nice little rivalry that should play itself out over the next few years.

[hocman]

If Apple Valley makes it to regions. That means we will soon see pigs fly. D8 looks to be a 5 team race(farmington&Rosemount are locks).

[the_juiceman]

If AppleValley beats Eastview there should be an investigation. Apple Valley lost 10 in a row after playing Johnson/Como and finally got beat by last place Eagan to put Johnson/Como from 10th to to last, A district 8 setup so Eagan did't have to play Lakeville North. Go district 10!!!!!!!

What? you're not making much sense

[iseepalms]

Ctbrow1, You got me I was from Como but my son now plays in Irondale.
If you look on MN Rankings you will see Apple Valley has lost like 10 games in a row. Look for Rosemount, Farmington, Woodbury and Lakeville South (If not Lakeville North)to come out of district 8.

[old goalie85]

What is Lakville south latest record ? That D8 looks like it might be tougher than D6.

[mnhockeyperson]

Doesn't the 3rd berth from a weak District usually go to a strong District with only 2 spots this year? Why would District 8 get a 4th berth before District 3 gets 3? Sounds like there should be a playoff between the 3rd place finisher from District 9 with the 3rd place finisher from District 3. What other Districts only have 2 berths this year?

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

I presume that they had to keep the extra berth in the South Regional, which just happens to be the weakest this year. It rotates so its hard to protest too much. Tough when there's 8 regional spots for 3 districts... one always gets 2 and there's on way to rotate the regionals without two weak districts occasionally getting in one regional.

D3 may not have the top end teams that D6 has, but I think its a stretch to say that there's a fall off after Wayzata and OMG. Mpls Park, Crow River and Armstrong will all compete for the final spot. Mpls Park beat OMG and has tied Wayzata, while Crow River went 1-1 with Mpls Park and Armstrong just tied Mpls Park or OMG I believe and lost to Wayzata by a goal.

This is interesting so I thought I would look into D3 performance from their Entire Year statistics versus the Last 15 games. I used MYHOCKEYRANKINGS data for this comparison:

#1 Seed: Wayzata - Season: 17.13/Last15: 16.18 = -.95 trend in performance

#2 Seed: OMG - Season: 14.80/Last15: 15.42 = .62 trend

#3 Seed: MPLS - Season: 13.41/Last15: 13.30 = -.11 trend

#4 Seed: Armstrong - Season: 13.22/Last15: 14.21 = .99 trend

#5 Seed: CrowRvr - Season: 13.04/Last15: 12.98 = -.06 trend

#6 Seed: Orono - Season: 11.53/Last15: 11.12 = -.41 trend

#7 Seed: Mound - Season: 10.58/Last 15: 10.05 = -.53 trend

#8 Seed Hopkins - Season: 10.34/Last 15: 10.96 = .62 trend

#9 Seed SLP - Season: 8.60/Last 15: 8.08 = -.52 trend

The data would indicate that Armstrong has made the most improvement followed by OMG and Hopkins. Wayzata is the best team in D3 even with their drop in measured performance of almost 1 point.

The Last 15 games would rank the teams as follows:
1. Wayzata 16.18
2. OMG 15.42
3. Armstrong 14.21
4. MPLS 13.30
5. Crow Rvr 12.98
6. Orono 11.12
7. Hopkins 10.96
8. Mound 10.05
9. SLP 8.08

If you looked at recent performance this sort would tell us that Mound should be playing in the Play In Game vs SLP instead of Hopkins.

As the teams enter into district tournament play there will be variables in play that probably did not exist (for most teams) in the regular season. Specifically, you will see the top goalies on the team getting more game time as well as the top players getting more ice time so simple logic would say that their is a chance the top teams will increase their output when their top players get more ice time.

I do not have the data done yet for the other districts so it may not be fair to say but on the surface it would look like D3 did not develop its teams at a rate they would like to have happen. My rationale for that statement is that only 3 teams have shown a positive trend in the Last 15 games (Armstrong, OMG and Hopkins) and everyone else went negative but Crow River was pretty close to being flat so I will say 3 up, 1 even and 5 down.

As for the comment of D3 dropping off big, I would conclude that the drop off is not as dramatic the phrase "drop off big time" would indicate when you look at the Last 15 game scores and compare them to the Season Rankings for all of the teams - 4 out of the 9 are in the top 30:

Wayzata would be 8
OMG 11
Armstrong 20
MPLS 28
CrowRvr 34
Orono 56
Hopkins 58
Mound 68
SLP 81

Best of luck to all the teams in districts!

[Concerned Hockey Coach]

D3 is not strong after Wayzata and OMG it falls off big. I think you meant to say D6 now that is a buzz saw, Edina, EP, Prior Lake, Burnsville and Tonka but they might get 3 berths as well not sure.

I presume that they had to keep the extra berth in the South Regional, which just happens to be the weakest this year. It rotates so its hard to protest too much. Tough when there's 8 regional spots for 3 districts... one always gets 2 and there's on way to rotate the regionals without two weak districts occasionally getting in one regional.

D3 may not have the top end teams that D6 has, but I think its a stretch to say that there's a fall off after Wayzata and OMG. Mpls Park, Crow River and Armstrong will all compete for the final spot. Mpls Park beat OMG and has tied Wayzata, while Crow River went 1-1 with Mpls Park and Armstrong just tied Mpls Park or OMG I believe and lost to Wayzata by a goal.

This is interesting so I thought I would look into D3 performance from their Entire Year statistics versus the Last 15 games. I used MYHOCKEYRANKINGS data for this comparison:

#1 Seed: Wayzata - Season: 17.13/Last15: 16.18 = -.95 trend in performance

#2 Seed: OMG - Season: 14.80/Last15: 15.42 = .62 trend

#3 Seed: MPLS - Season: 13.41/Last15: 13.30 = -.11 trend

#4 Seed: Armstrong - Season: 13.22/Last15: 14.21 = .99 trend

#5 Seed: CrowRvr - Season: 13.04/Last15: 12.98 = -.06 trend

#6 Seed: Orono - Season: 11.53/Last15: 11.12 = -.41 trend

#7 Seed: Mound - Season: 10.58/Last 15: 10.05 = -.53 trend

#8 Seed Hopkins - Season: 10.34/Last 15: 10.96 = .62 trend

#9 Seed SLP - Season: 8.60/Last 15: 8.08 = -.52 trend

The data would indicate that Armstrong has made the most improvement followed by OMG and Hopkins. Wayzata is the best team in D3 even with their drop in measured performance of almost 1 point.

The Last 15 games would rank the teams as follows:
1. Wayzata 16.18
2. OMG 15.42
3. Armstrong 14.21
4. MPLS 13.30
5. Crow Rvr 12.98
6. Orono 11.12
7. Hopkins 10.96
8. Mound 10.05
9. SLP 8.08

If you looked at recent performance this sort would tell us that Mound should be playing in the Play In Game vs SLP instead of Hopkins.

As the teams enter into district tournament play there will be variables in play that probably did not exist (for most teams) in the regular season. Specifically, you will see the top goalies on the team getting more game time as well as the top players getting more ice time so simple logic would say that their is a chance the top teams will increase their output when their top players get more ice time.

I do not have the data done yet for the other districts so it may not be fair to say but on the surface it would look like D3 did not develop its teams at a rate they would like to have happen. My rationale for that statement is that only 3 teams have shown a positive trend in the Last 15 games (Armstrong, OMG and Hopkins) and everyone else went negative but Crow River was pretty close to being flat so I will say 3 up, 1 even and 5 down.

As for the comment of D3 dropping off big, I would conclude that the drop off is not as dramatic the phrase "drop off big time" would indicate when you look at the Last 15 game scores and compare them to the Season Rankings for all of the teams - 4 out of the 9 are in the top 30:

Wayzata would be 8
OMG 11
Armstrong 20
MPLS 28
CrowRvr 34
Orono 56
Hopkins 58
Mound 68
SLP 81

Best of luck to all the teams in districts!

Interesting take... doesn't the strength of schedule influence trends though? Are you sure you're not punishing a team for who they have played? That is my largest beef with myhockeyrankings, I don't buy the "you should have beaten a team by 3/4 goals" since not all teams are structured or play to win by the level that myhockey says you should.

[mnhockeyperson]

I presume that they had to keep the extra berth in the South Regional, which just happens to be the weakest this year. It rotates so its hard to protest too much. Tough when there's 8 regional spots for 3 districts... one always gets 2 and there's on way to rotate the regionals without two weak districts occasionally getting in one regional.

D3 may not have the top end teams that D6 has, but I think its a stretch to say that there's a fall off after Wayzata and OMG. Mpls Park, Crow River and Armstrong will all compete for the final spot. Mpls Park beat OMG and has tied Wayzata, while Crow River went 1-1 with Mpls Park and Armstrong just tied Mpls Park or OMG I believe and lost to Wayzata by a goal.

This is interesting so I thought I would look into D3 performance from their Entire Year statistics versus the Last 15 games. I used MYHOCKEYRANKINGS data for this comparison:

#1 Seed: Wayzata - Season: 17.13/Last15: 16.18 = -.95 trend in performance

#2 Seed: OMG - Season: 14.80/Last15: 15.42 = .62 trend

#3 Seed: MPLS - Season: 13.41/Last15: 13.30 = -.11 trend

#4 Seed: Armstrong - Season: 13.22/Last15: 14.21 = .99 trend

#5 Seed: CrowRvr - Season: 13.04/Last15: 12.98 = -.06 trend

#6 Seed: Orono - Season: 11.53/Last15: 11.12 = -.41 trend

#7 Seed: Mound - Season: 10.58/Last 15: 10.05 = -.53 trend

#8 Seed Hopkins - Season: 10.34/Last 15: 10.96 = .62 trend

#9 Seed SLP - Season: 8.60/Last 15: 8.08 = -.52 trend

The data would indicate that Armstrong has made the most improvement followed by OMG and Hopkins. Wayzata is the best team in D3 even with their drop in measured performance of almost 1 point.

The Last 15 games would rank the teams as follows:
1. Wayzata 16.18
2. OMG 15.42
3. Armstrong 14.21
4. MPLS 13.30
5. Crow Rvr 12.98
6. Orono 11.12
7. Hopkins 10.96
8. Mound 10.05
9. SLP 8.08

If you looked at recent performance this sort would tell us that Mound should be playing in the Play In Game vs SLP instead of Hopkins.

As the teams enter into district tournament play there will be variables in play that probably did not exist (for most teams) in the regular season. Specifically, you will see the top goalies on the team getting more game time as well as the top players getting more ice time so simple logic would say that their is a chance the top teams will increase their output when their top players get more ice time.

I do not have the data done yet for the other districts so it may not be fair to say but on the surface it would look like D3 did not develop its teams at a rate they would like to have happen. My rationale for that statement is that only 3 teams have shown a positive trend in the Last 15 games (Armstrong, OMG and Hopkins) and everyone else went negative but Crow River was pretty close to being flat so I will say 3 up, 1 even and 5 down.

As for the comment of D3 dropping off big, I would conclude that the drop off is not as dramatic the phrase "drop off big time" would indicate when you look at the Last 15 game scores and compare them to the Season Rankings for all of the teams - 4 out of the 9 are in the top 30:

Wayzata would be 8
OMG 11
Armstrong 20
MPLS 28
CrowRvr 34
Orono 56
Hopkins 58
Mound 68
SLP 81

Best of luck to all the teams in districts!

Interesting take... doesn't the strength of schedule influence trends though? Are you sure you're not punishing a team for who they have played? That is my largest beef with myhockeyrankings, I don't buy the "you should have beaten a team by 3/4 goals" since not all teams are structured or play to win by the level that myhockey says you should.

The strength of schedule over the last 15 games is going to be similar to the entire season due to the sampling of 15 games being a big enough number of games. So, the trend should be pretty accurate as to how teams have performed the last 15 games versus the entire season.

All of this assumes My Hockey Rankings did not change any of their variables midway through the season and my assumption regarding the strength of schedule for the 15 games is very close to the entire season.

[Concerned Hockey Coach]

The strength of schedule over the last 15 games is going to be similar to the entire season due to the sampling of 15 games being a big enough number of games. So, the trend should be pretty accurate as to how teams have performed the last 15 games versus the entire season.

All of this assumes My Hockey Rankings did not change any of their variables midway through the season and my assumption regarding the strength of schedule for the 15 games is very close to the entire season.

I like the mnhockey rankings methodology... and I agree that the current top 20 on there may not be the best reflection of the actual "top 20" teams because some are trending down, etc.

BUT if a team doesn't play top notch competition in the final 15 games and doesn't beat the teams they are playing by sufficient goals to please the rankings, the "trends" may not be accurate.

[iseepalms]

This thread is suppose to be about District 8 can't district 3 teams create their own thread?

District 8 first round "A" Pee Wee's.

Hastings 6 over IGH/SSP 0

Lakeville North 6 over Johnson/Como 3

Anyone know the next games score:

Eagan VS Sibley

Apple Valley VS Eastview

[Mnhockeys]

This thread is suppose to be about District 8 can't district 3 teams create their own thread?

District 8 first round "A" Pee Wee's.

Hastings 6 over IGH/SSP 0

Lakeville North 6 over Johnson/Como 3

Anyone know the next games score:

Eagan VS Sibley

Apple Valley VS Eastview

Eastview and Sibley won, not sure scores.

[iseepalms]

Sibley 5
Eagan 1

Eastview 8
Apple Valley 3

District 3 People don't know District 8 teams.
Get your own post!!!!!