section 4a

totalonehockey23 · Post by **totalonehockey23** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:57 pm

Lots of good teams in this section may be the section with most depth in class A. Is sta a lock to win the section or will there be an upset?

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:12 pm

I think STA should definitely win this one. If an upset were to happen, I'd have to go with Totino.

north*hockey · Post by **north*hockey** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:31 pm

St. thomas is undoubtedly the favorite... Yet that has been the case the last two sections but good ol mahtomedi has nocked them out. Although this year, even more than the last two, I would be extremely shocked if mahtomedi or even totino/ssp could pull it off. I think it will be interesting either way tho...

crosscheck20 · Post by **crosscheck20** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:06 pm

STA will win this section. My guess is they might even make a run for the state title...unless Hermantown has any opinions on that

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:18 pm

north*hockey wrote:St. thomas is undoubtedly the favorite... Yet that has been the case the last two sections but good ol mahtomedi has nocked them out. Although this year, even more than the last two, I would be extremely shocked if mahtomedi or even totino/ssp could pull it off. I think it will be interesting either way tho...

Two years ago it was a toss up; St Thomas won the first game by 3 then tied the second. The tides had turned and I thought Maht was the favorite in the head to head game, but was lower seeded because of the Cadets' consistency.
Then last year St Thomas won the first by 3 and lost the 2nd by 3. Maht was definitely the favorite between the two, but again St Thomas was the top seed because Maht had other losses.

This year, I'd say that SSP has a shot based on their close game at St Thomas if they can get by Totino in the semi's, but if Totino can make the finals, it should be an easy run.

DubCHAGuy · Post by **DubCHAGuy** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:14 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:
north*hockey wrote:St. thomas is undoubtedly the favorite... Yet that has been the case the last two sections but good ol mahtomedi has nocked them out. Although this year, even more than the last two, I would be extremely shocked if mahtomedi or even totino/ssp could pull it off. I think it will be interesting either way tho...
Two years ago it was a toss up; St Thomas won the first game by 3 then tied the second. The tides had turned and I thought Maht was the favorite in the head to head game, but was lower seeded because of the Cadets' consistency.
Then last year St Thomas won the first by 3 and lost the 2nd by 3. Maht was definitely the favorite between the two, but again St Thomas was the top seed because Maht had other losses.

This year, I'd say that SSP has a shot based on their close game at St Thomas if they can get by Totino in the semi's, but if Totino can make the finals, it should be an easy run.

I remember Mahto being a pretty big underdog 2 years ago, they actually had to beat SSP who swept them during the season then knocked off STA. Last year I think it was more of a toss up, I think they even had identical records plus the head to head split.

This year there is a lot of depth in 4A but I think there's a pretty big gap between STA and 2-6. Maybe someone like Mahto can sneak up on them in the semi's and get the benefit of a couple soft goals. They've handled TG and SSP pretty good recently.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:26 am

DubCHAGuy wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:
north*hockey wrote:St. thomas is undoubtedly the favorite... Yet that has been the case the last two sections but good ol mahtomedi has nocked them out. Although this year, even more than the last two, I would be extremely shocked if mahtomedi or even totino/ssp could pull it off. I think it will be interesting either way tho...
Two years ago it was a toss up; St Thomas won the first game by 3 then tied the second. The tides had turned and I thought Maht was the favorite in the head to head game, but was lower seeded because of the Cadets' consistency.
Then last year St Thomas won the first by 3 and lost the 2nd by 3. Maht was definitely the favorite between the two, but again St Thomas was the top seed because Maht had other losses.

This year, I'd say that SSP has a shot based on their close game at St Thomas if they can get by Totino in the semi's, but if Totino can make the finals, it should be an easy run.
I remember Mahto being a pretty big underdog 2 years ago, they actually had to beat SSP who swept them during the season then knocked off STA. Last year I think it was more of a toss up, I think they even had identical records plus the head to head split.

This year there is a lot of depth in 4A but I think there's a pretty big gap between STA and 2-6. Maybe someone like Mahto can sneak up on them in the semi's and get the benefit of a couple soft goals. They've handled TG and SSP pretty good recently.

Yeah, I was really confused as to why St Thomas got the top seed last year. As you said, the two had identical records; while St Thomas had wins against Hill and Breck that Maht didn't, they ended the season AT St Thomas with a win. Really not sure what was going on there.

Ditto. Most of the section games St Thomas isn't in will be very competitive. Just as I said about Hermantown in 5A, I could see St Thomas allowing less than 3 goals in sections. Could possibly see that happening in 1A as well.

With Mahtomedi's recent win over SSP, how do the rankings look now?

St Thomas
Totino
Maht
SSP
Chisago
SLP

2-6 are SO close. I'd have put SSP ahead of Totino before Thursday, but now with Maht ahead of SSP, Totino needs to be ahead of Maht. A case could also be made for Chisago to be at #3 and SLP to be close to them, as both teams lost to Totino by 1, but SLP lost to Maht and SPP, so they couldn't be ahead of them. Without head to head games played, could one game drop SSP from 2 to 6?

Could it go STA, TG, CLA, Maht, SSP, SLP? Guess we'll see.

Does anyone have information on what the coaches who vote usually use seed?

Hockeywatcher123 · Post by **Hockeywatcher123** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:01 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:
DubCHAGuy wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Two years ago it was a toss up; St Thomas won the first game by 3 then tied the second. The tides had turned and I thought Maht was the favorite in the head to head game, but was lower seeded because of the Cadets' consistency.
Then last year St Thomas won the first by 3 and lost the 2nd by 3. Maht was definitely the favorite between the two, but again St Thomas was the top seed because Maht had other losses.

This year, I'd say that SSP has a shot based on their close game at St Thomas if they can get by Totino in the semi's, but if Totino can make the finals, it should be an easy run.
I remember Mahto being a pretty big underdog 2 years ago, they actually had to beat SSP who swept them during the season then knocked off STA. Last year I think it was more of a toss up, I think they even had identical records plus the head to head split.

This year there is a lot of depth in 4A but I think there's a pretty big gap between STA and 2-6. Maybe someone like Mahto can sneak up on them in the semi's and get the benefit of a couple soft goals. They've handled TG and SSP pretty good recently.
Yeah, I was really confused as to why St Thomas got the top seed last year. As you said, the two had identical records; while St Thomas had wins against Hill and Breck that Maht didn't, they ended the season AT St Thomas with a win. Really not sure what was going on there.

Ditto. Most of the section games St Thomas isn't in will be very competitive. Just as I said about Hermantown in 5A, I could see St Thomas allowing less than 3 goals in sections. Could possibly see that happening in 1A as well.

With Mahtomedi's recent win over SSP, how do the rankings look now?

St Thomas
Totino
Maht
SSP
Chisago
SLP

2-6 are SO close. I'd have put SSP ahead of Totino before Thursday, but now with Maht ahead of SSP, Totino needs to be ahead of Maht. A case could also be made for Chisago to be at #3 and SLP to be close to them, as both teams lost to Totino by 1, but SLP lost to Maht and SPP, so they couldn't be ahead of them. Without head to head games played, could one game drop SSP from 2 to 6?

Could it go STA, TG, CLA, Maht, SSP, SLP? Guess we'll see.

Does anyone have information on what the coaches who vote usually use seed?

i think that you have to put st paul johnson in the 6 spot instead of slp. johnson has the head to head over slp (i believe they won 3-2)

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:55 pm

Hockeywatcher123 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:
DubCHAGuy wrote: I remember Mahto being a pretty big underdog 2 years ago, they actually had to beat SSP who swept them during the season then knocked off STA. Last year I think it was more of a toss up, I think they even had identical records plus the head to head split.

This year there is a lot of depth in 4A but I think there's a pretty big gap between STA and 2-6. Maybe someone like Mahto can sneak up on them in the semi's and get the benefit of a couple soft goals. They've handled TG and SSP pretty good recently.
Yeah, I was really confused as to why St Thomas got the top seed last year. As you said, the two had identical records; while St Thomas had wins against Hill and Breck that Maht didn't, they ended the season AT St Thomas with a win. Really not sure what was going on there.

Ditto. Most of the section games St Thomas isn't in will be very competitive. Just as I said about Hermantown in 5A, I could see St Thomas allowing less than 3 goals in sections. Could possibly see that happening in 1A as well.

With Mahtomedi's recent win over SSP, how do the rankings look now?

St Thomas
Totino
Maht
SSP
Chisago
SLP

2-6 are SO close. I'd have put SSP ahead of Totino before Thursday, but now with Maht ahead of SSP, Totino needs to be ahead of Maht. A case could also be made for Chisago to be at #3 and SLP to be close to them, as both teams lost to Totino by 1, but SLP lost to Maht and SPP, so they couldn't be ahead of them. Without head to head games played, could one game drop SSP from 2 to 6?

Could it go STA, TG, CLA, Maht, SSP, SLP? Guess we'll see.

Does anyone have information on what the coaches who vote usually use seed?
i think that you have to put st paul johnson in the 6 spot instead of slp. johnson has the head to head over slp (i believe they won 3-2)

Good call. Makes things even tougher

mustangs29 · Post by **mustangs29** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:59 pm

I know that Maht just beat SSP. BUT...everyone is forgetting that SSP beat them the first time around by a score of 5 to 1. They were a 2 seed but with this loss i feel they should drop no farther than 3. The only thing i think this game does is bring Maht up to 4 and Chisago down to 5. Should be an interesting section. So many tough teams taht are up and down. Cant wait to see how it plays out.

bubblehockey27 · Post by **bubblehockey27** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:41 pm

I'd be surprised if TG didn't get the #2 seed. SSP should follow them, followed by Chisago. The Mahtomedi upset (if you want to call it that) may throw a fork in the seedings, but based on overall record I feel like SSP will be a better fit at #3. This is how I see things unfolding...

1. STA
2. TG
3. South St. Paul
4. Chisago Lakes
5. Mahtomedi
6. SLP

Agree to disagree if you want, but I'm anxious to see the seedings for this 4A.

MN93 · Post by **MN93** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:23 pm

You are correct that SSP beat Mahtomedi in their first game 5-1, however an important thing to note is that Mahtomedi outshot them 38-14. Mahtomedi's starting goalie was out with an injury so they played a JV goalie--the kid had a tough night letting in 5 goals on 14 shots.

So no way should SSP be seeded ahead of Mahtomedi.

Mahtomedi may not have a great win/loss record but their coaches chose to challenge them by playing many of the top ranked teams: Hibbing, Grand Rapids, Breck, Blake, Virginia. Mahtomedi beat Rogers 5-1 and Rogers was just seeded 2nd in 5A.

mustangs29 · Post by **mustangs29** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:27 pm

Well the were....

1.STA
2.TG
3.SSP
4.Maht
5. Chisago
6. Johnson
7. SPL
This is confirmed

ssppuck · Post by **ssppuck** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:33 pm

Is that official! Been waiting to here!

mustangs29 wrote:Well the were....

1.STA
2.TG
3.SSP
4.Maht
5. Chisago
6. Johnson
7. SPL
This is confirmed

mustangs29 · Post by **mustangs29** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:38 pm

That IS confirmed

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:39 pm

mustangs29 wrote:That IS confirmed

Last time I checked, there are more than seven teams in 4A.

mustangs29 · Post by **mustangs29** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:40 pm

those are the seeds that matter...

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:42 pm

mustangs29 wrote:those are the seeds that matter...

Do you know the rest? It would be appreciated by many.

mustangs29 · Post by **mustangs29** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:45 pm

Sorry to say i do not. Those are the top 7 tho. I was only told these seeds. Sorry.

ssppuck · Post by **ssppuck** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:45 pm

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/page/show/28 ... ason=41223

MNHockey75 wrote:
mustangs29 wrote:those are the seeds that matter...
Do you know the rest? It would be appreciated by many.

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:46 pm

ssppuck wrote:http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/page/show/28 ... ason=41223

MNHockey75 wrote:
mustangs29 wrote:those are the seeds that matter...
Do you know the rest? It would be appreciated by many.

Thank you.