Game Misconduct – Ineligible player

[hockey_is_a_choice]

Thank you Spring Lake Park and Legacy coach for the clarification.

Perhaps there was some confusion because the game misconduct was handed out in the last league game and there was confusion whether the game misconduct carried over to the playoffs. How do you know the coach didn't ask his Board for guidance before suiting up the player for the playoff game? How do you know the coach or a Centennial Board member did not run this by the District before suiting up the player? As Mark Elliott said, there may be other additional relevant facts that should be considered by those of you demanding punishment for the coach and team.

The fact that D10 Director, Tiny Timm, did not immediately boot the kid from the game or declare a forfeit leads me to believe that someone higher up than the coach conveyed some misleading information to the coach prior to the game.  The reality is, as Greybeard stated, Centennial did not need that player for their first game against  Spring Lake Park, which Centennial won by a score of 7 to 3.  Centennial did need that player to beat Blaine in the second game, which Centennial lost 4 to 2.  From the standpoint of this juror in the court of public opinion, Centennial paid its dues and Tiny Timm exercised his discretion as the District 10 Director to rule on the matter. We may disagree with how Tiny Timm handled this matter, but he is the District Director and does have the power to rule. In  other words, we're all entitled to our own stupid opinions on this issue, but our opinions don't matter.

[MrBoDangles]

D10 - PWA. Worth mentioning, the kid also scored at least 2 goals. One of the top players on the team.

Sounds like SLP got the shaft to me.......

They didn't???? Who are you to say?

[Hockey Fan101]

Thank you Spring Lake Park and Legacy coach for the clarification.

Perhaps there was some confusion because the game misconduct was handed out in the last league game and there was confusion whether the game misconduct carried over to the playoffs. How do you know the coach didn't ask his Board for guidance before suiting up the player for the playoff game? How do you know the coach or a Centennial Board member did not run this by the District before suiting up the player? As Mark Elliott said, there may be other additional relevant facts that should be considered by those of you demanding punishment for the coach and team.

The fact that D10 Director, Tiny Timm, did not immediately boot the kid from the game or declare a forfeit leads me to believe that someone higher up than the coach conveyed some misleading information to the coach prior to the game.  The reality is, as Greybeard stated, Centennial did not need that player for their first game against  Spring Lake Park, which Centennial won by a score of 7 to 3.  Centennial did need that player to beat Blaine in the second game, which Centennial lost 4 to 2.  From the standpoint of this juror in the court of public opinion, Centennial paid its dues and Tiny Timm exercised his discretion as the District 10 Director to rule on the matter. We may disagree with how Tiny Timm handled this matter, but he is the District Director and does have the power to rule. In  other words, we're all entitled to our own stupid opinions on this issue, but our opinions don't matter.

The kid scored 2 goals and had 2 assists, I think he was still needed in SLP game. Take those 4 goals out and the score was 3-3.
Again, D10 and the head coach dropped the ball. Rules are rules and they both made a poor choice not to follow them.

[MrBoDangles]

The question now is if District 10 will make things right for SLP........ Will they?

[Ugottobekiddingme]

The next question is why D10 still has a DD yielding unlimited ruling power that affects youth in this district. It's time for a new "King Arthur" and it's time to clean up the "system".

[silentbutdeadly3139]

If this had happened to a lower profile team like Irondale rather than Centennial would the District director had made the same decision? I doubt it. If it was Irondale they would have had to forfeit 1-0 and the player immediately removed from play.

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The reality is District 10 has some experience with this type of situation and the result was the same. ... Tiny Timm, he set precedence on this decision based on past decisions and he could not carve out a new course of action without incurring the wrath of the Centennial nation

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The next question is why D10 still has a DD yielding unlimited ruling power that affects youth in this district. It's time for a new "King Arthur" and it's time to clean up the "system".

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What a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Is this a by-product of the "no checking" rule?? Maybe this kid just wanted to get an extra swipe in before the mandated MN Hock rule...D10 shows they manage rules and regulations with pinpoint accuracy...through every aspect of youth hockey...and the kids are learning lesson's from the best in the "biz".

[dajudge]

In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.

[MnMade-4-Life]

In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.

think? Well that does no good.

I'm curious to hear from the "accused" party. Anyone ??? Anyone ???

How could they think they would get away with this at districts? What, then at state? Come on, either 1) waaaaay to arrogant, or 2) waaaaay to unintelligent, or 3) just DGAF, give me the trophy. What were they thinking?!

[royalhockey999]

[quote="dajudge"]In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.[/quote]


1.The game misconduct did happen but it was from the last district game Cent. played against andover, both teams got no fair play point, which actually cost Cent. the D-10 regular season championship.
2. Not sure what you mean here but yes, again there was a misconduct.
3. I was told the coordinater was notifid but didn't respond to the head coach in time before the playoff game, the head coach of Cent. didn't think it would carry over to a playoff game. Questionable at best but it is an excuse.
4.No the coach never heard back from D-10 but I don't know what D-10 could have told him because everything is in the rule books on D-10 website.

Don't quote me but very sure the kid at fault here was one of the coaches kids?!?!?! It's just to bad a situation had to happen like this to tant the playoffs.

All is well that ends well!

[silentbutdeadly3139]

In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.

Come on your trying to be an apologist. We can deduce :

The answers to 1 & 2 are yes as evidenced by his sitting out the next game... or maybe they were being charitable to Blaine?

answer to 3 Pretty sure coach knows about game misconduct and its on him to know. In your court analogy can you say you didn't know what the speed limit is on that road ?

answer to 4 Doubt it otherwise they wouldn't have sat him the next game.

SLP is not a gimme game despite the prior scores.

As for D10 blaming Centennial, not following that one.

[MrBoDangles]

In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.

$49.99 Divorce, In what way is this fair to the SLP folks?

I'm sure we won't hear from you again..........

[dajudge]

Royal, you have just pointed out to procedure breakdowns in #3 and #4.
A lawer has to know what his client is being charged with before he can defend him. guess what happens to the client if he is not charged with a crime in a certain amount of time?

SLB, if it was a game misconduct, why was the player able to finish the game? In a game misconduct he is to be removed from the game and a game forfeit. Again not following the procedure. Do we really know if it was a game misconduct? Or are we assuming.

Does D10 actually know what the rules are that they enforce. I dont think so.

[royalhockey999]

[quote="dajudge"]Royal, you have just pointed out to procedure breakdowns in #3 and #4.
A lawer has to know what his client is being charged with before he can defend him. guess what happens to the client if he is not charged with a crime in a certain amount of time?

SLB, if it was a game misconduct, why was the player able to finish the game? In a game misconduct he is to be removed from the game and a game forfeit. Again not following the procedure. Do we really know if it was a game misconduct? Or are we assuming.

Does D10 actually know what the rules are that they enforce. I dont think so.[/quote]




I agree there was either a break down in the process or someone just tried to play dumb.....Judge I feel like you are confused the game misconduct happened in a previous game not a playoff game, and yes I am 100% sure there was a game misconduct in the andover centeniall game. Which would then carry over to the next d-10 game which was the centenial vs. spring lake park game!

[codemanh]

Don't quote me but very sure the kid at fault here was one of the coaches kids?!?!?! It's just to bad a situation had to happen like this to tant the playoffs.

All is well that ends well!

Yes, this was the coaches kid. From all of the accounts i've heard the coach contacted district 10 trying to appeal the suspension and they didn't get back to him so he just skated the player.

[dajudge]

Bo i dont think it was fair in any form, for slp or centennial. Bad way to handle the whole situation in general.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

Royal, you have just pointed out to procedure breakdowns in #3 and #4.
A lawer has to know what his client is being charged with before he can defend him. guess what happens to the client if he is not charged with a crime in a certain amount of time?

SLB, if it was a game misconduct, why was the player able to finish the game? In a game misconduct he is to be removed from the game and a game forfeit. Again not following the procedure. Do we really know if it was a game misconduct? Or are we assuming.

Does D10 actually know what the rules are that they enforce. I dont think so.

Obviously this isn't a criminal courts. Its youth hockey with rules. Perhaps there is a appeals process but come on your stretching it with that analogy. As why to your question of if it was a game misconduct, sure appears to be because he sat out the next game. But why he got to play and finish the SLP, only Timm knows that and I'm guessing he won't explain it here ... or anywhere.

[dajudge]

[quote]I'm sure we won't hear from you again..........





not sure, this is alot more fun than work.

[blueliner2day]

In reading all the posts on this topic it is very clear to me that there was a break down in the process or procedure set forth by d10. In the court system when this happens the case is usually thrown out. My questions are:

1. How do you know for sure there was a game misconduct.
2. Did the Refs call this as such.
3. Did the district cordinator notify the coaches to this.
4. Was the coach told something different by D10
As i was replaying all the accusations that have taken place in my head i find it hard to believe a coach would put the player in a game that (looking at the records) was a win. If he is a decent player your not going to sneak him in a game. As stated in previous posts there is alot more to this story. We live in a world were everyone wants to blame somone else for there mistakes, it is obvious to me d10 and the coaches for SLP want to put the blame on centennial and there coaches. I think you will find there is much more to this.

You are kidding right? Putting the blame on SLP coaches? If you know hockey, you know that when a game misconduct is called against a player, the district level coordinator must be contacted within hours of the incident and there is paperwork (just like in your court room) that needs to be filled out in triplicate in addition to the scoresheets... the other team gets a copy of the scoresheet, the refs get a copy of the scoresheet and they sign off on it, the district level coordinator gets a copy of the scoresheet and discussions with coaches, managers, and district people are in abundance and that's just during the regular season. Now throw in this happened a week before districts and you're actually going to try and blame this on SLP???????? Sounds like you are dipping into the lame excuse pool along with Centennial....

[dajudge]

Blueliner2day, I was trying to point out after reading all posts that it sounded like the blame was being put on the coaches of the centennial team, when in fact D10 has or could have made alot a poor decisions on this. Not blaming slp at all, no problem with either team.

[hockey_is_a_choice]

Just the facts, please.

1. The Centennial head coach is a nonparent coach. The player was not his child.

2. The Centennial coach sought guidance from a district official, not Tim Timm.

3. Based on the enquiry, the coach believed the player was eligible to play in the game against SLP.

4.  No one associated with Andover or SLP brought the issue up during the game or was responsible for stopping the game.

5.  Timm heard the facts and made a ruling that the player would continue to play in the game against SLP and sit out the game against Blaine.

6.  Timm had the authority to make that decision based on the facts presented to him.

Yes, the Centennial coach could have sought additional guidance. Yes, the district 10 official could have immediately brought the issue to the attention of Timm. Yes, . . . Given the facts, I support Timm's decision. My understanding is that this issue is resolved at the district level and no one will face additional punishments.

The reality is none of us are perfect and life is stranger than fiction, which is why we put people in positions of hearing the facts as presented and making rulings. We may not like those people personally or agree with their decisions, but we gave them the authority to make decisions that affect us.

[Hockey Fan101]

Just the facts, please.

1. The Centennial head coach is a nonparent coach. The player was not his child.

2. The Centennial coach sought guidance from a district official, not Tim Timm.

3. Based on the enquiry, the coach believed the player was eligible to play in the game against SLP.

4.  No one associated with Andover or SLP brought the issue up during the game or was responsible for stopping the game.

5.  Timm heard the facts and made a ruling that the player would continue to play in the game against SLP and sit out the game against Blaine.

6.  Timm had the authority to make that decision based on the facts presented to him.

Yes, the Centennial coach could have sought additional guidance. Yes, the district 10 official could have immediately brought the issue to the attention of Timm. Yes, . . . Given the facts, I support Timm's decision. My understanding is that this issue is resolved at the district level and no one will face additional punishments.

The reality is none of us are perfect and life is stranger than fiction, which is why we put people in positions of hearing the facts as presented and making rulings. We may not like those people personally or agree with their decisions, but we gave them the authority to make decisions that affect us.

First blame goes to D10, but the coach knows better. Unless he was a new coach, which I highly doubt at a PWA level. Are you telling me this is the first he's heard of this rule?
If D10 knew this kid shouldn't be on the ice, why didn't they talk to the coach prior to the game? Why wait until the game was half over? Why didn't the coach clarify it at the rink prior to the game starting? This has mud all over it.
Again, rules are rules and Timm choose to bend them? How is that right? The kid sat out the next game, clearly he shouldn't have been playing in the previous game.
Completely unfair to the SLP kids and to this kid who has been at the center of this topic. He just listened to his head coach, not his Dad. (he's the asst coach, right?)

[royalhockey999]

[quote="hockey_is_a_choice"]Just the facts, please.

1. The Centennial head coach is a nonparent coach. The player was not his child.

2. The Centennial coach sought guidance from a district official, not Tim Timm.

3. Based on the enquiry, the coach believed the player was eligible to play in the game against SLP.

4.  No one associated with Andover or SLP brought the issue up during the game or was responsible for stopping the game.

5.  Timm heard the facts and made a ruling that the player would continue to play in the game against SLP and sit out the game against Blaine.

6.  Timm had the authority to make that decision based on the facts presented to him.

Yes, the Centennial coach could have sought additional guidance. Yes, the district 10 official could have immediately brought the issue to the attention of Timm. Yes, . . . Given the facts, I support Timm's decision. My understanding is that this issue is resolved at the district level and no one will face additional punishments.

The reality is none of us are perfect and life is stranger than fiction, which is why we put people in positions of hearing the facts as presented and making rulings. We may not like those people personally or agree with their decisions, but we gave them the authority to make decisions that affect us.[/quote]

WRONG THE CENT COACH HAS A KID ON THE TEAM!!!!

[hockey_is_a_choice]

Um, just the facts: The Centennial head coach does NOT have a kid on the team. He is 30 years' old.

[Hockey Fan101]

Um, just the facts: The Centennial head coach does NOT have a kid on the team. He is 30 years' old.

Nice tap dancing. Not a head coach, but how about the asst. coach? Don't bother answering with another show about the facts only please garbage, it really doesn't matter. The head coach still didn't follow the very clear rules and D10 allowed it to happen. The coach played with fire and took a chance. He ended up getting burned at the Blaine game. The only team that was cheated out was SLP. Just the Facts Please!