Opting up?

[The X]

The "consolation" thread explains this best. No, I'm not okay with the publics doing this as opposed to your privates. One has to wonder what is going on up there as well. If you watched the hermantown qtr final game, it sure looked like they let off the gas a little bit after it was obvious they were going to win. Was waiting for your reply.

I have read the consolation thread and don't know what's there that explains this. Sorry I missed it.

Generally when blowouts (which 13-2 is right on the fence of being) are discussed, most will say once you're in the playoffs, all bets are off. This isn't just the playoffs, it's state. The common belief is that the team should operate as they normally would.

The next line of thought is that if you are going to "lay off" it is insulting to the other team to play keep away; you should give the lower lines a chance and keep playing the game. It doesn't usually come up in discussing a game at State that you stop playing.

All that being said, I didn't get a chance to watch the game. From the stat sheet, I see that 15 players got points, 4 defensemen scored, only 3 players got 4 points, the teams best player only had 2 points and the most goals a single player had was 2.
Again, I did not watch the game, but what the stat sheet tells me is that they did "lay off," they did not roll the top lines the whole game, they spread the scoring around, etc, etc. I would also bet they could've scored 10+ more goals had they been trying to.

No these games are not fun and no one likes that they happen. But they do and they have to be played. Strictly from looking at the stat sheet, within the integrity of the game, it looks to me as if they did a great job of following the guidelines of playing a weaker team.

Funny how no one complained about running up the score in the final of AA in 2006

Lol, you are correct Sir, or 2007 for that matter. No complaints here with those two butt whoopins, because they were playing in AA at the top level.

[HShockeywatcher]

Lol, you are correct Sir, or 2007 for that matter. No complaints here with those two butt whoopins, because they were playing in AA at the top level.

That's a new spin; it's okay to "embarrass" AA teams, but if you do it to A teams then you've lost your integrity

[The X]

Lol, you are correct Sir, or 2007 for that matter. No complaints here with those two butt whoopins, because they were playing in AA at the top level.

That's a new spin; it's okay to "embarrass" AA teams, but if you do it to A teams then you've lost your integrity

Yes, you are correct, if you are a "AA" team playing at the single A level. One should play at its own level of competition and not seek gratification by beating up on teams well below the bar.

[Sioux09]

I think they will move up next year, especially if they win it this year... whenever they do though everyone will just find a different reason to complain about them and talk down any accomplishments they might have. Pretty sad.

[thestickler07]

Hey Stickler, obviously, you have no concept of reality with this issue. Nor do I think you have kids playing at this time or possibly ever. When a school like Breck loses 14 seniors like last years team did, then turns around and makes it back to the tourney there is a problem here. Granted Breck did get beat in the QF by a strong TRF team but its just ridiculous. Obviously, you feel that this is ok because you have no kids being denied opportunities year after year because of these AAA private school teams that recruit top talent to play against these small town schools. This is precisely, IMO, what is wrong with this country and is the reason we are in the shape we are in. The sense of entitlement at all costs regardless of who it effects and the realities of the situation. Oh yea, STA 12 New Ulm 2, I guess New Ulm just could not compete with a metro all star team. What a joke.

What's the problem with any school making it to the state tournament? So because they were good enough to lose a large amount of their team and still win their section we have a problem? What reality are you living in? Only in Minnesota can you find this many people who will decry the successes of others out of "fairness". Oh and on the recruiting bit, if you spent half the time maybe doing research about why kids go to the schools they do as you do crying on here maybe you'd have a shot at convincing the MSHSL to take some action. So how about you be productive for a change instead of throwing a temper tantrum? See that's the difference between winners and losers, winners put their nose to the grindstone and work hard to get better, losers like you just cry and complain when they get beat and make excuses.

And please, don't make me laugh with your "what's wrong with this country" line. We're in the shape we are in educationally (getting passed by every country imaginable in math/science and reading) because of people like YOU. Who want to pass kids even though they can't read because they "don't want them to feel bad". Or say that "the playing field isn't even enough" just because arguably the worst team to play in the A tournament in maybe a DECADE got smashed by one of the best teams this year. How about you (and teach your kids for that matter) sack up and play instead of making excuses about why these "all-star teams" continue to win.

I'm sure STA doesn't want to play New Ulm on that note as well, as they didn't schedule anyone of that caliber during the year in non-conference. How about instead of b****ing at STA how about you complain to the MSHSL who allowed that matchup to happen? STA didn't choose to play New Ulm, the random draw process from a laughably weak MSHSL drawn section did. So point your finger at the league for that one.

The old saying of "don't hate the player hate the game" has never so perfectly fit when it comes to privates in this state. The private schools play by the rules in this state laid down by the MSHSL and win. So again, instead of directing your rancor at those schools (who have very little to no power to change the things you're complaining about institutionally) go after the MSHSL and get them to change the process.

[The X]

Hey Stickler, obviously, you have no concept of reality with this issue. Nor do I think you have kids playing at this time or possibly ever. When a school like Breck loses 14 seniors like last years team did, then turns around and makes it back to the tourney there is a problem here. Granted Breck did get beat in the QF by a strong TRF team but its just ridiculous. Obviously, you feel that this is ok because you have no kids being denied opportunities year after year because of these AAA private school teams that recruit top talent to play against these small town schools. This is precisely, IMO, what is wrong with this country and is the reason we are in the shape we are in. The sense of entitlement at all costs regardless of who it effects and the realities of the situation. Oh yea, STA 12 New Ulm 2, I guess New Ulm just could not compete with a metro all star team. What a joke.

What's the problem with any school making it to the state tournament? So because they were good enough to lose a large amount of their team and still win their section we have a problem? What reality are you living in? Only in Minnesota can you find this many people who will decry the successes of others out of "fairness". Oh and on the recruiting bit, if you spent half the time maybe doing research about why kids go to the schools they do as you do crying on here maybe you'd have a shot at convincing the MSHSL to take some action. So how about you be productive for a change instead of throwing a temper tantrum? See that's the difference between winners and losers, winners put their nose to the grindstone and work hard to get better, losers like you just cry and complain when they get beat and make excuses.

And please, don't make me laugh with your "what's wrong with this country" line. We're in the shape we are in educationally (getting passed by every country imaginable in math/science and reading) because of people like YOU. Who want to pass kids even though they can't read because they "don't want them to feel bad". Or say that "the playing field isn't even enough" just because arguably the worst team to play in the A tournament in maybe a DECADE got smashed by one of the best teams this year. How about you (and teach your kids for that matter) sack up and play instead of making excuses about why these "all-star teams" continue to win.

I'm sure STA doesn't want to play New Ulm on that note as well, as they didn't schedule anyone of that caliber during the year in non-conference. How about instead of b****ing at STA how about you complain to the MSHSL who allowed that matchup to happen? STA didn't choose to play New Ulm, the random draw process from a laughably weak MSHSL drawn section did. So point your finger at the league for that one.

The old saying of "don't hate the player hate the game" has never so perfectly fit when it comes to privates in this state. The private schools play by the rules in this state laid down by the MSHSL and win. So again, instead of directing your rancor at those schools (who have very little to no power to change the things you're complaining about institutionally) go after the MSHSL and get them to change the process.

First of all, how do you know I have not sent letters and messages to the MSHL regarding this issue? Soooo, I guess your ranting about that is irrelevant now isn't it??? Do not make assumptions you have no knowledge about. Second of all, if you read my posts, I am equal opportunity about the private all star teams playing single A hockey, not just your STA squad. Third, dont tell me about the difference between winners and losers and how they are made. I can assure you that I have more trophys and medals in hockey than you do so no need to explain to me your winning and losing BS. Fourth, you can "sack up" all you want but when the deck is stacked you will not have a chance, explain that to your kid will you? The arguments you make have no merit but you are entitled to your biased opinion just like anyone else on this forum.

[thestickler07]

No the fact that you've sent letters and they don't think your thinking is valid only further proves my point. You're out of touch with the reality in terms of MSHSL competition. The system apparently works to the satisfaction of the governing body of the high school league so what else needs to be said?

You're for equal opportunity for privates in A but yet you cry about it? If you can't find the hypocrisy in your statements then you have more elementary issues than winning or losing high school hockey games.

Struck a nerve did I? Did I make you tear up a bit? Oh and "congrats" on all your high school medals/trophies if that made any difference in your argument I might actually be inclined to address it further. Unfortunately though I don't care about your participation medals they give to everyone and mean nothing.

You can always make an excuse for why you didn't win. That's what losers like you do. It takes a real competitor to shut up and play even in the face of adversity (or as you sensationalists like to call it a "stacked deck). Oh and I wouldn't leave my kid out high and dry like you do, I would do all I could to adequate prepare him for challenges he will meet in hockey and in life. If you don't have that prerogative then I'm not going to apologize when my kids' team beats your kids' team 10-0.

And finally, read my first post. I don't want STA playing in A hockey, they should be ashamed for doing so. Don't play with the scrubs and losers like you play with the big boys.