STA

[deacon]

You're completely wrong. St. Thomas Academy has a mandatory JROTC program which teaches the fundamentals of leadership. In the most recent Brigade Formal Inspection, the Corps of Cadets received an astounding 595 out of a possible 600, placing them in the top 10% in the country. Several students every year get scholarships to attend the various service academies which comes with a vow to serve the country immediately after graduation, usually 4 years. I have personally had classmates that died serving the country.

Here are some links that you should read before you spout off again about something you have no idea about.

http://www.cadets.com/page/451

http://www.cadets.com/military

No he is right. STA has no connection to the military or any branch of our government. Sure STA kids have a better chance of getting into West Point or the Air Force academy but they aren't obligated to serve in the military after they graduate.

Also you don't get a scholarship to go to a service academy, you are nominated, accepted and then you go to West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs. They got a 595 out of 600 on a paperwork audit? I once went through an entire FDA audit and did not get a Form 483 (although the auditor did find the red pen I used to sign the logbook in a couple of places). Both of those will (when combined with about $2) get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I am not sure what to think about STA, but can tell you that if any of the officers or senior enlisted men or women that I served under when I was in the real military saw me acting like that I would still be scrubbing toilets with my tooth brush. It would not be called scullery duty, it would be called NPC duty. You would not get sent to clean the head, you would get sent to work with NPC. Looks like a bunch of spoiled rotten rich kids acting like, well, spoiled rotten rich kids are getting called on the carpet for being spoiled rotten rich kids and acting like it and the only defense it to hide behind a JROTC program which lots of high school have. If you want to look like military and get the "credit" for being military at least act like it means something to you.

True, they don't give scholarships in true sense of scholarships, but their education is paid for so calling an appointment a scholarship is the simplest way to put it. As far the JROTC at STA not being associated with the "real military or any branch of the government," it is a Federal program sponsored by the United States Armed Forces. I would say the association is pretty clear. No is going to deny the fact that it is not the actual military.

[2good4u]

I think the local association where these kids were mites, squirts, and peewees had very little to do with their development. I'm just sayin.

ummm ya.... your wrong, the fundamentals of hockey start at mites and squirts, peewees players learn to check, granted a lot is learned in bantams but i highly doubt you can say high school is where all the development is at,

[2good4u]

Now i know many of you want to argue about moving up and who should and shouldnt but i have done some research during the state tourney this year and now the truth should come out.

First off, STA has no class what so ever. Thats right from the coaches to the players to the student section to the chaperones and chancellor. So I found myself wondering how an academy that dresses up like the armed forces could be represented in such poor manor and classless actions. Well according to my well informed resources STA has NO connections at all to any armed service group. Thats right here we have kids dressing up like military servicemen and they have NO relation to anything. So first off stop being knock offs of the military. People should not show them the respect that they believe they deserve in being in an "academy". Next argument of showing how classless these tools are, during the Thief River STA game one of their little p-ricks stood up in the middle of the TR student section and pointed to the score board. Even though the kid got removed from the arena he should have gotten his *** kicked by the whole student section to send a message to them. Your fans are rude, disrespectful, and have no manors at all. Onto the hockey team: I have never seen so much chippy play by one team in a state tournament than what you guys did this year. Someone clearly forgot to teach these guys what hockey is about, not going around cheap shooting someone when the refs not looking. Onto the coaches: ok maybe section 1 isnt that good all the time but there is absolutely no respectable reason for running the score up 13-2 in any situation, hermantown did the respectable thing playing alexandria, you guys made your whole school look horrible by doing that, oh yeah screaming at the ref because your goalie sucks is not a reasonable answer for them to over turn a goal, and finally the school and its chancellor: you are an embarrassment as a whole, your students show no respect to anyone and your chaperones let them do it, i cannot imagine anyother school (maybe with the exception of hibbings cheering section) being so rude and getting away with it unpunished, here's a little hint for you NO ONE and i mean NO ONE wants your little p-ricks at the x,
so everyone remember for next year or whenever you come across a rude and disrespectful cadet, to put them in their place, heck if you feel like it mess up their pretty little fake uniform because essentially they are not military bound and they most likely deserve a good butt kicking

oh yeah as for brecks coach, the comment at the banquet of "we dont recruit, we reload" yeah the public heard about that you loser, couldn't have made it anymore obvious that private schools recruit

You're completely wrong. St. Thomas Academy has a mandatory JROTC program which teaches the fundamentals of leadership. In the most recent Brigade Formal Inspection, the Corps of Cadets received an astounding 595 out of a possible 600, placing them in the top 10% in the country. Several students every year get scholarships to attend the various service academies which comes with a vow to serve the country immediately after graduation, usually 4 years. I have personally had classmates that died serving the country.

Here are some links that you should read before you spout off again about something you have no idea about.

http://www.cadets.com/page/451

http://www.cadets.com/military

sorry bud your absolutely wrong, no matter what the cadets try to tell you they are no longer associated in anyway to the military and i will trust my source a lot more than your website

[DontCallMeBuddyPal]

Now i know many of you want to argue about moving up and who should and shouldnt but i have done some research during the state tourney this year and now the truth should come out.

First off, STA has no class what so ever. Thats right from the coaches to the players to the student section to the chaperones and chancellor. So I found myself wondering how an academy that dresses up like the armed forces could be represented in such poor manor and classless actions. Well according to my well informed resources STA has NO connections at all to any armed service group. Thats right here we have kids dressing up like military servicemen and they have NO relation to anything. So first off stop being knock offs of the military. People should not show them the respect that they believe they deserve in being in an "academy". Next argument of showing how classless these tools are, during the Thief River STA game one of their little p-ricks stood up in the middle of the TR student section and pointed to the score board. Even though the kid got removed from the arena he should have gotten his *** kicked by the whole student section to send a message to them. Your fans are rude, disrespectful, and have no manors at all. Onto the hockey team: I have never seen so much chippy play by one team in a state tournament than what you guys did this year. Someone clearly forgot to teach these guys what hockey is about, not going around cheap shooting someone when the refs not looking. Onto the coaches: ok maybe section 1 isnt that good all the time but there is absolutely no respectable reason for running the score up 13-2 in any situation, hermantown did the respectable thing playing alexandria, you guys made your whole school look horrible by doing that, oh yeah screaming at the ref because your goalie sucks is not a reasonable answer for them to over turn a goal, and finally the school and its chancellor: you are an embarrassment as a whole, your students show no respect to anyone and your chaperones let them do it, i cannot imagine anyother school (maybe with the exception of hibbings cheering section) being so rude and getting away with it unpunished, here's a little hint for you NO ONE and i mean NO ONE wants your little p-ricks at the x,
so everyone remember for next year or whenever you come across a rude and disrespectful cadet, to put them in their place, heck if you feel like it mess up their pretty little fake uniform because essentially they are not military bound and they most likely deserve a good butt kicking

This has got to be the worst post on the board. You are actually complaining that kids ranging in age from 15-18 don't have a real-life link to the military? The kids go through the JROTC program, which teaches leadership more than anything else. These kids don't have any obligation to go into the armed forces, but percentage wise, more kids go to the Navy, Army and/or Air Force than other schools so it does have some effect. Stop trashing STA for a REALLY GREAT TOURNAMENT. Like you did research and the "truth should come out." That's B.S. You were at the X watching your team get beat and you asked someone near you if high school kids were in the military. That's about as far as your research went. Now for those that talk about recruiting. What kid wouldn't want to play for STA. The Vannelli's develop players better than most coaches, they have great facilities, and scouts love to watch them play hockey so they get noticed. You are going to trash them because they brought a program from nowhere to being noticed? I wanted to go to Holy Angels when I was younger and they were winning state tournaments because they were good. Kids see the way STA plays and they WANT to go there. I ran a hockey camp for a community hockey program during the summer for years and kids would tell me they wanted to play for STA because they were so good and fun to watch. Doesn't mean they were being recruited, kids want to go there! Add on the fact that academics are MUCH better there and college admissions across the country give your GPA more credit when it comes from a college-prep school with AP and honors classes. It all adds up to a great high school experience. Should they move up to AA now that they have proven they can compete year in and year out with the big boys? Yes. You talk about the coaches having no class because they beat New Ulm 13-2? My little sisters team could have beaten New Ulm. The 4th line for STA played the entire 3rd period. They were doing all they could TO NOT SCORE. The 1st line didn't play. Stop pretending like you know what you are talking about and just admit you don't know about any of this

[MrBoDangles]

MrBodangles, you are drinking the cool aid too.

Breezing through the A tournament. Did you see the game? Hermantown had them on the ropes. STA was outshot 12-5 in the third.

Hermantown hit the post in OT. What game were you all watching? Hermantown should have won the game.

And for your playing SSM and Delbarton, don't many of the A teams play AA teams. If I recall, Hermantown lost in OT to the AA state champs.

Oh yeah, that does not count. They are public school and that is ok.

I drink the Kool Aid of common sense, because of this I know that the men of STA sit down to pee.

[MrBoDangles]

Master Recruiter. We hear your mantra, get over it, not going to happen.

I know you would be thrilled if Hermantown won, since you hate the private schools.

If you watched the game, a great game, you would have seen they had every chance to win it. Hermantown could have been celebrating as easily as STA. That is great hockey at the best event of the year.

STA scheduled "Shattuck St. Mary" and played them to a 4-6 game

Also Delbarton Prep, New Jersey's number one team. Played them to a 2-1 game

Scheduled one of the toughest AA non conference schedules out there????

And then proudly breeze to the A championship game?????

They don't want to play these lesser teams all season....... but come playoff time they are more than happy to take them down... Where's your logic for this?

Low class

[deacon]

Now i know many of you want to argue about moving up and who should and shouldnt but i have done some research during the state tourney this year and now the truth should come out.

First off, STA has no class what so ever. Thats right from the coaches to the players to the student section to the chaperones and chancellor. So I found myself wondering how an academy that dresses up like the armed forces could be represented in such poor manor and classless actions. Well according to my well informed resources STA has NO connections at all to any armed service group. Thats right here we have kids dressing up like military servicemen and they have NO relation to anything. So first off stop being knock offs of the military. People should not show them the respect that they believe they deserve in being in an "academy". Next argument of showing how classless these tools are, during the Thief River STA game one of their little p-ricks stood up in the middle of the TR student section and pointed to the score board. Even though the kid got removed from the arena he should have gotten his *** kicked by the whole student section to send a message to them. Your fans are rude, disrespectful, and have no manors at all. Onto the hockey team: I have never seen so much chippy play by one team in a state tournament than what you guys did this year. Someone clearly forgot to teach these guys what hockey is about, not going around cheap shooting someone when the refs not looking. Onto the coaches: ok maybe section 1 isnt that good all the time but there is absolutely no respectable reason for running the score up 13-2 in any situation, hermantown did the respectable thing playing alexandria, you guys made your whole school look horrible by doing that, oh yeah screaming at the ref because your goalie sucks is not a reasonable answer for them to over turn a goal, and finally the school and its chancellor: you are an embarrassment as a whole, your students show no respect to anyone and your chaperones let them do it, i cannot imagine anyother school (maybe with the exception of hibbings cheering section) being so rude and getting away with it unpunished, here's a little hint for you NO ONE and i mean NO ONE wants your little p-ricks at the x,
so everyone remember for next year or whenever you come across a rude and disrespectful cadet, to put them in their place, heck if you feel like it mess up their pretty little fake uniform because essentially they are not military bound and they most likely deserve a good butt kicking

oh yeah as for brecks coach, the comment at the banquet of "we dont recruit, we reload" yeah the public heard about that you loser, couldn't have made it anymore obvious that private schools recruit

You're completely wrong. St. Thomas Academy has a mandatory JROTC program which teaches the fundamentals of leadership. In the most recent Brigade Formal Inspection, the Corps of Cadets received an astounding 595 out of a possible 600, placing them in the top 10% in the country. Several students every year get scholarships to attend the various service academies which comes with a vow to serve the country immediately after graduation, usually 4 years. I have personally had classmates that died serving the country.

Here are some links that you should read before you spout off again about something you have no idea about.

http://www.cadets.com/page/451

http://www.cadets.com/military

sorry bud your absolutely wrong, no matter what the cadets try to tell you they are no longer associated in anyway to the military and i will trust my source a lot more than your website

Haha, ok. Ignore the facts that JROTC is a Federal program and sponsored by the United States Armed Forces and trust that little source of yours. Good idea, you look like a moron.

[deacon]

The boy scouts are sponsored by the Armed Forces. Nascar cars are sponsored by the Armed Forces. Food Stamps and Medicare are federal programs. So what. The fact that your school has a JROTC program is pretty meaningless. Lots of schools have JROTC programs and they do not behave like that in public. I do have to admit though that the fact that your school has a JROTC program and that kids go from it into the active duty military to become officers does explain a lot. I can remember several times when I wondered "where in the h*** did they find this guy at and when is he gonna learn?". Of course it was usually when the squad I was with was humping a rubber boat up and down hills in the dark in a rain storm while our butterball tried to figure out how to read a compass and a map to find the river that we were supposed to cross before sun up.

One of life's mysteries explained. On a hockey forum. In a non-hockey thread........... wow.

I understand and agree with everything you said. My only point was there was an association with military and the government, however loose or tight of an association that may be. And funny enough, I have heard that same thing about JROTC guys going into active duty.

edit: I don't think that anyone goes from high school to active duty as officer because I believe you need a college degree to be an officer.

[PuckU126]

Attention St. Thomas Academy: Isn't your move up overdue?

With Holy Family Catholic making the move up to Class AA after only three years of having their own independent hockey program, what is stopping St. Thomas Academy, the 2011 Class A State Champions? St. Thomas Academy hockey is a proven successful program and the Cadets play over 50 percent of their regular season schedule against Class AA teams and prep schools. The Cadets would most likely be welcomed with open arms and better respected by the boys high school hockey fan base if they decided to FINALLY move up. Section 3AA looks like a nice fit for them.

Holy Family Catholic 2011-2012 enrollment: 595 (boys & girls)
Hill-Murray 2011-2012 enrollment: 705 (boys & girls)
Academy of Holy Angels 2011-2012 enrollment: 741 (boys & girls)
St. Thomas Academy 2011-2012 enrollment: 1066 (all boys)***

FollowThePuck.com

I totally agree with this on Doug's site; however, according to the STA website it says their enrollment is 534 High School (grades 9-12) and
135 Middle School (grades 7-8 ). But at the bottom of the website, it appears that page has not been updated since 2006 so maybe Doug is correct?

Regardless... STA should opt up.

[sachishi4]

its doubled to make up for the no girls, so the 534 is close to correct, but according the mshsl, the number is doubled

[north*hockey]

STA played an awesome game and worked there butts off in a game that some have been waiting to play there whole life! Give me a break... maybe section 1 should be realigned of some sort? As for the classlessness I don't buy it one bit. I thought they were pretty darn funny as well as other student sections in the tournament. It just adds to the excitement of the tourney. Quit crying about it

[MrBoDangles]

Attention St. Thomas Academy: Isn't your move up overdue?

With Holy Family Catholic making the move up to Class AA after only three years of having their own independent hockey program, what is stopping St. Thomas Academy, the 2011 Class A State Champions? St. Thomas Academy hockey is a proven successful program and the Cadets play over 50 percent of their regular season schedule against Class AA teams and prep schools. The Cadets would most likely be welcomed with open arms and better respected by the boys high school hockey fan base if they decided to FINALLY move up. Section 3AA looks like a nice fit for them.

Holy Family Catholic 2011-2012 enrollment: 595 (boys & girls)
Hill-Murray 2011-2012 enrollment: 705 (boys & girls)
Academy of Holy Angels 2011-2012 enrollment: 741 (boys & girls)
St. Thomas Academy 2011-2012 enrollment: 1066 (all boys)***

FollowThePuck.com

I totally agree with this on Doug's site; however, according to the STA website it says their enrollment is 534 High School (grades 9-12) and
135 Middle School (grades 7-8). But at the bottom of the website, it appears that page has not been updated since 2006 so maybe Doug is correct?

Regardless... STA should opt up.

And Hill Murray has way fewer than STA... At least Hill has a pair.

[HawkeyPower]

Interesting how this same old story doesn't get locked after 5 pages! After losing two years in a row to two privates it kind of sucks. But what if Breck and STA were Warroad and Hibbing. There would be nothing to complain about. Maybe the smaller homegrown school needs the Evil Empires to motivate them? Everyone needs someone to hate. If every State Class A champ that plays well opts up what are we left with? Either go to one 16 team tourney or keep it the way it is. We all can have the same arguement every year when the next School has a couple good years and everyone wants them to move up. Class A does give small teams the ability to win a championship and if thats what they want, then good for them. If they opt up and "get a pair" and get to State once every 5-6 years, and never win a championship, then good for them. Besides Roseau, when was the last team (besides HM) that won a Class AA Championship (Cloquet, Grand Rapids BSM etc.)after opting up. Sooner or later the MSHSL will have 3-4 classes so everyone will be happy. Give me the best 16 teams and lets play!

[High Flyer]

As for the classlessness I don't buy it one bit. I thought they were pretty darn funny as well as other student sections in the tournament. It just adds to the excitement of the tourney. Quit crying about it

I got a chuckle out of the STA student section when they did the "daddy’s money" cheer right after the national anthem (as if they haven't heard that one before).

What a great tactical move, striking first by taking way another schools offensive cheer and eliminating it from their arsenal before they could even get off their first attack.

Classic!!!!

[PuckU126]

As for the classlessness I don't buy it one bit. I thought they were pretty darn funny as well as other student sections in the tournament. It just adds to the excitement of the tourney. Quit crying about it

I got a chuckle out of the STA student section when they did the "daddy’s money" cheer right after the national anthem (as if they haven't heard that one before).

What a great tactical move, striking first by taking way another schools offensive cheer and eliminating it from their arsenal before they could even get off their first attack.

Classic!!!!

Military training.

[2good4u]

You're completely wrong. St. Thomas Academy has a mandatory JROTC program which teaches the fundamentals of leadership. In the most recent Brigade Formal Inspection, the Corps of Cadets received an astounding 595 out of a possible 600, placing them in the top 10% in the country. Several students every year get scholarships to attend the various service academies which comes with a vow to serve the country immediately after graduation, usually 4 years. I have personally had classmates that died serving the country.

Here are some links that you should read before you spout off again about something you have no idea about.

http://www.cadets.com/page/451

http://www.cadets.com/military

sorry bud your absolutely wrong, no matter what the cadets try to tell you they are no longer associated in anyway to the military and i will trust my source a lot more than your website

Haha, ok. Ignore the facts that JROTC is a Federal program and sponsored by the United States Armed Forces and trust that little source of yours. Good idea, you look like a moron.

im not going to argue with you anymore, when im told by military officials that they are not part of the or have anything to do with the U.S. armed forces then they are not, oh ya btw a lot of things are sponsored by the armed forces, heck hockey games are, does that make the players associated with the military? no, nascar and other forms of racing are sponsored by the military does that make the drivers part of the military? no, so just because they are JROTC and are sponsored by the Feds doesnt mean they have anything to do with the armed forces, or is that fact too hard to understand?

[HShockeywatcher]

sorry bud your absolutely wrong, no matter what the cadets try to tell you they are no longer associated in anyway to the military and i will trust my source a lot more than your website

Haha, ok. Ignore the facts that JROTC is a Federal program and sponsored by the United States Armed Forces and trust that little source of yours. Good idea, you look like a moron.

im not going to argue with you anymore, when im told by military officials that they are not part of the or have anything to do with the U.S. armed forces then they are not, oh ya btw a lot of things are sponsored by the armed forces, heck hockey games are, does that make the players associated with the military? no, nascar and other forms of racing are sponsored by the military does that make the drivers part of the military? no, so just because they are JROTC and are sponsored by the Feds doesnt mean they have anything to do with the armed forces, or is that fact too hard to understand?

If by "association" you really mean "commitment to serve in after graduation" then you are 100% correct that there is no "association" as you say. No one will deny that.

ROTC programs (those in college) are run by active duty officers in enlisted personnel. JROTC programs are run by retired officers and enlisted personnel, most having served for 15+ years. The way those men and women talk, teach, and act are just like all of the men/women I've known in the military. I know every year the seniors go to Fort Ripley and have the opportunity to spend time with those in the "actual military." There are many performances and presentations made at the academy by those in the "actual military." The way they march, the way they wear the uniform, their chain of command, etc, etc is the same as the "actual military.

Are there are few bad apples who do things in public, in uniform that is embarrassing to alma mater and the uniform alike? No one will deny that. Are they 14-18 year old kids who make mistakes and learn from them just like kids at any high school? Yes.

The goal of JROTC is not to mold military men, it is to mold "better citizens." To say there is no association between a JROTC program in the military is a very ignorant statement.

Why this is being discussed on a hockey forum is beyond me

[7A22A]

AA or a seperate league would be fine with me for private schools. I would be a little more sympathetic to the Hermantown opinions on this post if their whole system was not peppered with "open enrollment" players. Including some of the top players.

[stpaul]

AA or a seperate league would be fine with me for private schools. I would be a little more sympathetic to the Hermantown opinions on this post if their whole system was not peppered with "open enrollment" players. Including some of the top players.

Therein lies the rub. It's hypocritical to rail against the private schools when the public schools are nowhere near pure. Open enrollment, magnet schools, moving, changing guardianship, etc. are all being used for kids legally to enroll in different high schools for athletics.

As much as some posters on this board would like a separate state tournament or sections for private schools there is really no movement toward that in the real world of the MSHSL, athletic directors and coaches. Interestingly Missouri had their 600 schools vote a few years ago whether to establish separate state tournaments for private schools. It was overwhelmingly defeated. It lost by more than 200 votes. Coaches and ADs apparently have more common sense about this than parents, fans and anonymous internet message boards writers.

[eastside hockey]

I have found myself behind in this thread. There was a class A tourney? If not for this thread, I couldn't even tell you who was in the JV tourney. I went to all the AA tourney games at the X, and I didn't see STA there. If we all ignore the fact that they have a team, maybe they will opt up, because rich spoiled kids usually go where they can get atention. I served the military for 20 years, and these ROTC programs don't exemplifie the military at all. It kind of makes me sad that there childhood is taken away. Germany had an ROTC program back in the 40s, it was disguised as Hitlers youth. Congratulations to STA on another JV tourney trophey. Someday you may step up and if your good enough, You may be able to be like DE and win in multiple OT games to try to earn the right to be the best hockey team in the state for the year.

[eastside hockey]

As for ROTC in High school, I get it. In public schools, the students attending ROTC are interested in the Military. Parents sending their kids to STA are looking for a disciplined school structure and the military structure attempts to provide that. As far as cirriculum is concerned, There are no real advantages to either types of school. Study habits start in the home and any kid who is brought up to value education, will do good in any environment. Saying that kids saying they want to play hockey for STA because of the way they play just fuels the fire for others to say that the kids are only there for the hockey. I don't really care if they choose STA for the hockey, but if the number of kids playing hockey there are from great AA feeder programs, it only makes sence to step up to the AA format. It is just my opinion, but I won't watch them until they do.

[deacon]

eastside,
I agree with what you say, JROTC at STA is designed to teach leadership skills, but did you just compare it to Hitler's youth? And by the way, you're missing some good hockey when you ignore their games, but that's your prerogative.

[interestedbystander]

AA or a seperate league would be fine with me for private schools. I would be a little more sympathetic to the Hermantown opinions on this post if their whole system was not peppered with "open enrollment" players. Including some of the top players.

Name ONE varsity player that is open enrolled and did not come up through Hermantown's association.................

[eastside hockey]

eastside,
I agree with what you say, JROTC at STA is designed to teach leadership skills, but did you just compare it to Hitler's youth? And by the way, you're missing some good hockey when you ignore their games, but that's your prerogative.

Yeah, I suppose I did go a little far with the Hitler youth comment. I do realize that there are a lot of good hockey players playing at STA. After all most of them are coming from Good top end Youth feeder programs. I would be missing some good hockey if they were playing comparable AA programs. In my opinion, they don't belong in the A school format. I simply choose not to give them any exposure until they opt up for hockey. A good question to ask, would be how many of the studentss actually go on to a US Military Academy and serve their country. My guess is that there aren't so many. Most ambitious youth whom retain a higher education would choose to move on in life and start to make their fortunes, but this is not the subject of this thread. Should they opt up? In my opinion yes! I would love to see them come into the AA tourney unranked and upsetting the likes of Edina or Eden Prairie. But this will never happen untill they Man Up.

[HawkeyPower]

AA or a seperate league would be fine with me for private schools. I would be a little more sympathetic to the Hermantown opinions on this post if their whole system was not peppered with "open enrollment" players. Including some of the top players.

What a shotgun statement with nothing to back it up. Every kid on this years Varsity has been with Hermantown from Squirts and up. Some families move and some have left the mess what is the Duluth Schools. That is not our fault. The school district has even closed open enrollment for certain grade levels. Its people like you that come on forums and talk out of your @#$ and make blanket statements. Jealousy I am assuming.