2011-12 Open Coaching Positions

[allhoc11]

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -

I put Armstrong on here, any further info on the armstrong staff? Seems like weird timing. I've heard rumors that Cooper and Armstrong will coop next year, and there is some info to indicate that:

http://www.twelve.tv/news/newsitem.aspx ... emid=15972

There is also an article on the MGHCA site as well:

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=235807

[MinnGirlsHockey]

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -

I put Armstrong on here, any further info on the armstrong staff? Seems like weird timing. I've heard rumors that Cooper and Armstrong will coop next year, and there is some info to indicate that:

http://www.twelve.tv/news/newsitem.aspx ... emid=15972

There is also an article on the MGHCA site as well:

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=235807

I wonder if that means Heritage Christian Academy, Providence Academy and FAIR School are looking for a new co-op partner(s)? Or maybe they would be included in the new Armstrong/Cooper co-op?

[MNHockeyFan]

Not surprising...both schools' youth feeder programs have gone steadily downhill over the past 5-10 years, which is sad to see. Hopefully the new cooperative, if approved, will salvage girls hockey in the area and both high schools can someday rebound.

[NearWestSide]

Not surprising...both schools' youth feeder programs have gone steadily downhill over the past 5-10 years, which is sad to see. Hopefully the new cooperative, if approved, will salvage girls hockey in the area and both high schools can someday rebound.

My post is a little off the high school posting but just wanted to point out that both schools don't have a youth feeder program. We have been one combined (Cooper/Armstrong) youth program for 5 or 6 years only to be split up at the high schools. We are so small that we have in the past had to combine with St. Louis Park and last year with Hopkins at the 12U level. These last two years we have had a couple of good 12UA teams, went to regions both years-unheard of for our program. This year in the district tournament we beat a top 10 Osseo/Maple Grove team and then a pretty good North Wright County team for the third seed for our regions. In regions we were beating an Eagan team with about 2 minutes left in the game.

[Night Train]

There should be just one high school girls team and you will retain more girls coming up through the merged youth system. After having a decent experience at 12U let the girls stay together. One single high school team could have the same level of success. Instead of taking all the 14U eligible players to two weak high school programs one program might allow formation of a 14U youth team too.

Sounds like it's being worked on.

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=235807

[mn_Jr_NorthStars]

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -

Looks like St. Louis Park has a posting on the MSHSL website looking for a Girls Head Hockey Coach.

[allhoc11]

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -
13. St. Louis Park -
14. Eden Prairie -

[Night Train]

Minneapolis Novas name Pat Meacham as new varsity head coach.

[luckyEPDad]

I don't want to be the board mediator here, but would it be possible to move the EP talk to another topic, like the "EP" one I brought to the top, so those who don't care about it, don't need to see it when we bring up the coach opening topic, as it's not open, and most likely won't be this year.

Why is the EP job on your list now? I still can't find any info about it.

Is this amount of turnover normal?

[BlueLine77]

All MGHCA coaches received an E-mail today confirming that Tim Morris is stepping down at EP.

[hockey21]

The reality is that this trend of coaching change over in girls hockey will happen every year until something changes with the parents being allowed to do whatever or say whatever they want, even if what they are saying is false or inaccurate. I know a lot of these coaches who have stepped away this year (not been fired, stepped away on their own)#1 reason is the parent BS. Their kid is not being treated fair, they should be first line, why is she on Varsity and my daughter is on JV, harassing e-mails, you made my daughter cry by correcting her play infront of everybody, told you are a horrible coach etc... you can say what you want that it is part of the job, if you got that much BS at work you would walk away as well. There are some great coaches who are giving up coaching because of parents, what needs to change is parents, parents need to truly look at where there daughters abilities are and support them for who they are, not what you think they should be in hockey. I see it at every age level for both boys and girls hockey, isses made by parents to only try and benifit their player, parents just be a parent and support your player and the programs. When parents realize this good coaches will stick around an run great hockey programs.

[BeenAround]

The reality is that this trend of coaching change over in girls hockey will happen every year until something changes with the parents being allowed to do whatever or say whatever they want, even if what they are saying is false or inaccurate. I know a lot of these coaches who have stepped away this year (not been fired, stepped away on their own)#1 reason is the parent BS. Their kid is not being treated fair, they should be first line, why is she on Varsity and my daughter is on JV, harassing e-mails, you made my daughter cry by correcting her play infront of everybody, told you are a horrible coach etc... you can say what you want that it is part of the job, if you got that much BS at work you would walk away as well. There are some great coaches who are giving up coaching because of parents, what needs to change is parents, parents need to truly look at where there daughters abilities are and support them for who they are, not what you think they should be in hockey. I see it at every age level for both boys and girls hockey, isses made by parents to only try and benifit their player, parents just be a parent and support your player and the programs. When parents realize this good coaches will stick around an run great hockey programs.

I moved down here from the north and never heard of a parent/coach meeting until I moved down here. The only parent meeting I ever heard of was at the bar and no parents ever showed up. They were too scared.

[Rocketwrister]

All MGHCA coaches received an E-mail today confirming that Tim Morris is stepping down at EP.

Do I dare ask, what is the reason...I agree none of my business; but curiosity is getting the best of me.

[MinnGirlsHockey]

All MGHCA coaches received an E-mail today confirming that Tim Morris is stepping down at EP.

Do I dare ask, what is the reason...I agree none of my business; but curiosity is getting the best of me.

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=113956

[allhoc11]

The reality is that this trend of coaching change over in girls hockey will happen every year until something changes with the parents being allowed to do whatever or say whatever they want, even if what they are saying is false or inaccurate. I know a lot of these coaches who have stepped away this year (not been fired, stepped away on their own)#1 reason is the parent BS. Their kid is not being treated fair, they should be first line, why is she on Varsity and my daughter is on JV, harassing e-mails, you made my daughter cry by correcting her play infront of everybody, told you are a horrible coach etc... you can say what you want that it is part of the job, if you got that much BS at work you would walk away as well. There are some great coaches who are giving up coaching because of parents, what needs to change is parents, parents need to truly look at where there daughters abilities are and support them for who they are, not what you think they should be in hockey. I see it at every age level for both boys and girls hockey, isses made by parents to only try and benifit their player, parents just be a parent and support your player and the programs. When parents realize this good coaches will stick around an run great hockey programs.

I agree with you and it is a trend that seems prevalent not only in hockey, but other sports as well. I would say smart coaches know that you are only as good as your school administration lets you be, and choose positions based on the strength of the administration. It is an important part of keeping a coaching job (having an AD who is in tune with their programs, and supports them when it is warranted). With that said being a head coach is a FULL TIME job that pays 6K a year, if you do the math that's about 35 cents an hour. It's a great but time consuming job if you are in the right situation, but if in the wrong situation it is becoming easy for these coaches to forget the reasons why they love the game, and just step away from the headaches. I know a few quality coaches who have stepped away from the game the past few years, and wouldn't take another head job because they know it's only a matter of time before the troubles start in the new place.

[Bill Coleman]

I used to work in the newspaper biz as a reporter. Just like in coaching, you have to have thick skin and understand how many nut cases are really out there in the world. In every edition of the paper someone would read a quote or sentence backwards, or the exact opposite way everyone else in the world read it. They would call and wine. All you can do is pat those callers on the head, feel sorry for how their mind seems to work, be polite and move on. "That's unfortunate you see it that way maam." Coaches need to do the same to "those" certain parents and not let them bother them. It's my belief, at the high school level, coaches need to make more of an effort to break from the youth hockey model, where parents are involved in everything. There needs to be a cord cut and maybe its the coaches job to help parents do that. Everyone might be better off.[/list]

[jollyroger]

Girl's Coaching Staff at Armstrong High School in Plymouth just resigned

This isn't as dramatic as it sounds. The staff no longer exists because the team no longer exists. The current Armstrong staff has to apply for the position like anybody else because there will be a new team, the Robbinsdale co-op. And it sounds like they're going to apply.

I hope it wasn't the current group of parents that drove a stand-up guy like Tim Morris out of EP. If so, wait until the next coach gets a load of the crop of U14 parents who are coming down the pike. Good luck with that!

[old goalie85]

Bill- that makes sense. Will help parents rid themselves of those rose colored glasses.

[goaliepad]

I could not agree more parents do need to stay away from the coaches, unfortunately high school programs no matter what the sport, need to be run like high school programs. Experienced coaches, dedicated coaches, that are there for the benefit of the players and their development as individuals and as competitors for their future careers. If there are situations that need to be addressed than it is the players right to go to the coach and ask for explanations. But again, these high school coaches need to be responsible, dedicated, and considerate of their players, and when things are unethical someone needs to step in, and from my experience and listening around the state there are many issues that go unresolved leaving what should have been a rewarding experience leaves players frustrated and very unhappy.

[old goalie85]

With my oldest [a jr.] I've told him if you have a question go ask the coach. I dodn't play on the team. The coach isn't my coach. This has worked out well for me and my oldest. I plan on using the same system w/ my younger kids.

[Defensive Zone]

I could not agree more parents do need to stay away from the coaches, unfortunately high school programs no matter what the sport, need to be run like high school programs. Experienced coaches, dedicated coaches, that are there for the benefit of the players and their development as individuals and as competitors for their future careers. If there are situations that need to be addressed than it is the players right to go to the coach and ask for explanations. But again, these high school coaches need to be responsible, dedicated, and considerate of their players, and when things are unethical someone needs to step in, and from my experience and listening around the state there are many issues that go unresolved leaving what should have been a rewarding experience leaves players frustrated and very unhappy.

To add another point...the money parents are spending today for their child to play on a high school team tends to drive that parent into a position of authority. Ex: registration fee for try outs, booster fee for travel, equipment, and coaches salary to name a few.

[royals dad]

To add another point...the money parents are spending today for their child to play on a high school team tends to drive that parent into a position of authority. Ex: registration fee for try outs, booster fee for travel, equipment, and coaches salary to name a few.

This is completely wrong, you don't get to buy your way into the locker room or the bench. If you want to coach start a summer AAA team. In the HS season volunteer with the booster club to organize senior day, youth day, pasta parties.... that is how parents help make a program strong. No offense to any of the new hires but I think most teams take some steps back before going forward with each coach change, the revolving door isn't good for anybody.

[hockeywild7]

High school hockey is less expensive as compared to traveling teams so I don't think money is a driving force in their behavior. It's frustration that they have lost power and control over what,where and when their kid plays. They probably don't have the direct access to the HS coach as they did their kids youth coaches.

[BlueLine77]

I used to work in the newspaper biz as a reporter. Just like in coaching, you have to have thick skin and understand how many nut cases are really out there in the world. In every edition of the paper someone would read a quote or sentence backwards, or the exact opposite way everyone else in the world read it. They would call and wine. All you can do is pat those callers on the head, feel sorry for how their mind seems to work, be polite and move on. "That's unfortunate you see it that way maam." Coaches need to do the same to "those" certain parents and not let them bother them. It's my belief, at the high school level, coaches need to make more of an effort to break from the youth hockey model, where parents are involved in everything. There needs to be a cord cut and maybe its the coaches job to help parents do that. Everyone might be better off.[/list]

Bill, I disagree. Like most professions, there are not enough similarities between coaching and newspaper biz' to bear much of a correlation. For instance, when you were fielding your complaints, and the complainer did not like your answer, did he/she go to your department editor? The editor in chief? The owner of the paper? That happens in high school hockey.

I do agree coaches need think skin, yes, but there should also be more support from Athletic Departments to support a coach. The fact of the matter is this: Most coaches want what is best for the team. The whole team. Most parents want what is best for their kid. These two ideas are often at odds with one another.

[BlueLine77]

Girl's Coaching Staff at Armstrong High School in Plymouth just resigned

This isn't as dramatic as it sounds. The staff no longer exists because the team no longer exists. The current Armstrong staff has to apply for the position like anybody else because there will be a new team, the Robbinsdale co-op. And it sounds like they're going to apply.

I hope it wasn't the current group of parents that drove a stand-up guy like Tim Morris out of EP. If so, wait until the next coach gets a load of the crop of U14 parents who are coming down the pike. Good luck with that!

I talked to the AD at Armstrong today, and this is the the story she gave me: Armstrong coaches stepped down, and Armstrong/Cooper are applying to form a Co-Op. That decision has not been made, yet. She also said she has not heard yet if the current Cooper coaches will apply---but yes, they would need to apply.