Non-program players in tournaments

JSR · Post by **JSR** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:02 pm

HOCK84GREEN wrote:sorry about caps, lets try all lower case. i have no motivation here, simply stating the truth. kids should and usually are placed with kids at their level in the summer, whether open or invite. disgruntled parents should find a program to suit their childs needs and not just bash everyone. not every young boy will play at invite, or open, just flat out comes down to talent and maturity at each level. some parents will be happy, others will just lash out and i think to often parents forget that summer hockey is for billy to develop and work hard, and carry that into winter season. as far as programs, i am not saying mn made, icemn, blades, legacy, etc is best. just noted i thought they ran very challenging practice when i watched. our son does play aaa hockey in the summer and i am happy for him. just wish all parents could praise their boys, enjoy the game in itself, and not pass on their own personal pet peeves about everyone. sometimes the best thing said is that is what not said.

See don;t think this parent is at all being whiney. I think she has a legitimate question. I agree not all players can play invite level. BUT when you have a tryout, THEN make an offer to a kid to be on that team (regardless if it's invite or open) THEN ask for $1,800 (or more), then expect the kid to practice with that team but ultimately when it comes time for that team to play in a tourney you tell that kid to stay home because we found someone else who is better but has not been practicing with the teama nd was not at tryouts, well that seems wrong to me.

HOCK84GREEN · Post by **HOCK84GREEN** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:19 pm

well said. i know there is always someone unhappy about their child in hockey, winter and summer. i understand the politics. been the same way since we were kids. hockey should just be a game to enjoy, and i am just conveying parents have options. they do not have to spend huge dollars for their kids to enjoy the game. if you are unhappy, find another program. i by no means ever want to see anyone singled out. sorry. too bad the game has come to what has been said, "checkbook hockey". again, good luck.

Hsymynkywicz · Post by **Hsymynkywicz** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:12 pm

Please don't ever blame the kids! It's the adults that sign them up, and the adults that run the politics. I've been asking myself, what would I do if I had the "star" and he was always getting invited to guest on other teams. I guess I'd be pretty stoked and say, "yes, more ice, more experience!" and I'd walk proud. After this discussion though, I might think some about the kid whose spot was being taken...just sayin.

snyper12 · Post by **snyper12** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:13 pm

Hsymynkywicz wrote:Hi all - just a Mom here who kid wasn't picked to play in the independent, while the powers that be are bringing in other non-program kids to play...
Is this the way it's done? Just want to know....shelling out $$$ to have him in this program. If he's not good enough to make it within the internal team roster, our tough luck, but to have him replaced by someone not part of the program? Isn't this shady dealings?

No ifs and or butts, your child should be playing and not a replacement! I would feel guilty as the parent of the other kid, bumping your spot, what are they thinking by accepting?

Yes it's sometimes invite hockey to add a few players, but nothing wrong with bringing yours along to be a part of the team and get a fair share of ice time.

My child was offered a spot to travel with an invite team, we turned it down for that reason (and he was to take anothers spot), that's not "right".

GoBigorGoHome · Post by **GoBigorGoHome** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:35 pm

Hzymynkywicz,

To a large extent the question is, "What did you pay for?" If you paid for your son to play in tournaments and he's not being allowed to, you're getting screwed, but if that wasn't part of the deal, then all is fair in love and AAA hockey (unfortunately). What did the program promise before you wrote the check? If some other kid is playing on your dime, you have a right to be ticked-off big time.

Hsymynkywicz · Post by **Hsymynkywicz** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:36 pm

My gosh, this has been good for me. I still say this topic is a huge flaw in the system, but when my son comes home today, I am going to tell him how proud I am of him:)

snyper12 · Post by **snyper12** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:41 pm

GoBigorGoHome wrote:Hzymynkywicz,

To a large extent the question is, "What did you pay for?" If you paid for your son to play in tournaments and he's not being allowed to, you're getting screwed, but if that wasn't part of the deal, then all is fair in love and AAA hockey (unfortunately). What did the program promise before you wrote the check? If some other kid is playing on your dime, you have a right to be ticked-off big time.

$1850 was noted earlier. I would have to think that would include all tournaments.

Hsymynkywicz · Post by **Hsymynkywicz** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:42 pm

GoBigorGoHome wrote:Hzymynkywicz,

To a large extent the question is, "What did you pay for?" If you paid for your son to play in tournaments and he's not being allowed to, you're getting screwed, but if that wasn't part of the deal, then all is fair in love and AAA hockey (unfortunately). What did the program promise before you wrote the check? If some other kid is playing on your dime, you have a right to be ticked-off big time.

"Guaranteed 3 tourneys." After this there are 3 left. So I may have overreacted...and am waiting to hear answers to my questions.....

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:02 pm

Hsymynkywicz wrote:
GoBigorGoHome wrote:Hzymynkywicz,

To a large extent the question is, "What did you pay for?" If you paid for your son to play in tournaments and he's not being allowed to, you're getting screwed, but if that wasn't part of the deal, then all is fair in love and AAA hockey (unfortunately). What did the program promise before you wrote the check? If some other kid is playing on your dime, you have a right to be ticked-off big time.
"Guaranteed 3 tourneys." After this there are 3 left. So I may have overreacted...and am waiting to hear answers to my questions.....

Hopefully there are more than one player not participating this weekend, or you will likely not care too much for the answers you receive after this little vent.

Hsymynkywicz · Post by **Hsymynkywicz** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:15 pm

Inigo...sorry but as I said from the beginning, if he doesn't play because he isn't picked from the roster, our tough luck. Its the idea that other non-rostered are being brought in that I am concerned about. Just because some are saying that's the way that it is, doesn't make it right. Besides, I asked yesterday morning if we should assume that the next three tourneys should be put on the calendar..and haven't received an answer about that.

mghockey18 · Post by **mghockey18** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:20 pm

If I were coaching any AAA team, I would take much more pride winning or losing with a team I had been developing all summer, rather than winning or losing with a team with replacement players that have been with different programs. Doesn't seem right to me.

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:26 pm

If you are being demoted from tournament player status to practice player, your, at the very least, are due a refund.

Summer hockey is the Wild West.

Sioux Lookout · Post by **Sioux Lookout** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:30 pm

HOCK84GREEN · Post by **HOCK84GREEN** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:40 pm

i hate these topics cause none of us know the true details, in fact the person who started it says questions have not been answered. hope you get answers sorted out. obviously you must enter alot of tourneys. hope he gets opportunity to play. this is just part of hockey, always will be. i am a realist, as kids get older, their is no fair play time, never has been, never will be. i just understand it. i am sorry about your son and agree with others that there is plenty of opportunities all over. good luck again

cookiejar · Post by **cookiejar** » Thu May 19, 2011 4:22 pm

mghockey18 wrote:If I were coaching any AAA team, I would take much more pride winning or losing with a team I had been developing all summer, rather than winning or losing with a team with replacement players that have been with different programs. Doesn't seem right to me.

bing bing bing bing We have a winner folks. Somebody gets it. The problem with the program is they haven't figured out that it isn't like a paint by number. Rather than face the reality that what they're doing isn't working, and that they really aren't as good as they think/say they are, it's easier to try and quietly recruit a few kids and try and save face. Everybody is going to play in at least "x" number of tournaments this summer is just the setup for their sorry excuse. If you don't play in all of the tournaments the team signed up for, you got screwed. You paid for your substitute from the Blades to skate for your kid - and they appreciated it.

interestedbystander · Post by **interestedbystander** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:45 pm

One thing I will agree with HOCK84 on is that the Legacy practices are very well run. I wouldn't assume that just because they are bringing in ringers to win a tournament (being the devils advocate......it IS a business), that the development is sub par. Based on my very limited dealings with them, I would say that if I had to pick a AAA organization in the Twin Cities on which to mortgage my house for......Legacy would be in the top five or so.

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