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Post by mnhockey2019 »

HockeyDad41 wrote:What happened with the '02 Blades?

I only saw one game and they looked pretty good even though they eventually lost.

Is an overhaul needed?
It took you a while to bring up the 02s. I lost a $50 bet because I said that you would post something by last Tuesday on the 02s. The dial up connection at MM must have been down. Since you saw the Blades play, how about a little more analysis than "they looked pretty good"? How does a team that goes 0-5 look pretty good?

Is your 02 kid not going back to the Machine next year? Maybe the Blades revolving door will admit your kid for next year's team. Lets hope.
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So I guess everything is hunky dory in Bladesville then. I guess if they are happy with being the number 4 team around here then why should I worry right?
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HockeyDad41 wrote:So I guess everything is hunky dory in Bladesville then. I guess if they are happy with being the number 4 team around here then why should I worry right?
What? Just asked for a little analysis from the game that you saw. Was it the first game, where they missed the extra point to lose, or one of the others? From the scores, looked like two different teams between game 1 and the rest of the games. How did your son's team do? Did they tie on Thursday, go 1-1 on Friday, win on Saturday and lose on Sunday? The tournament's website has some good info on it.

Unless you have a kid on the team, not sure that you should "worry" at all, and even then worrying about where a team of 8-9 year olds rank is nothing to worry about. Did you hear that local food shelves are running out of food? That is something to worry about.
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Post by HockeyDad41 »

Didn't realize this was the local food shelf board. I thought it was a hockey board where it was ok to comment and opine.

Sounds like you were there, so what's the story? 0-5-0 is not good. What is going on over there? The Blades are supposed to be better than that.
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HockeyDad41 wrote:Didn't realize this was the local food shelf board. I thought it was a hockey board where it was ok to comment and opine.

Sounds like you were there, so what's the story? 0-5-0 is not good. What is going on over there? The Blades are supposed to be better than that.
Unlike the Machine, the Blades have a future.. :idea: Why do most of the older Machine teams seem to fall apart? Will you still be on your knees in a few years?

Still no comment on the 98's?
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Post by HockeyDad41 »

Legit question Bo sorry you feel personally threatened by it. Name calling doesn't change a thing. Not like I think the Blades are falling apart, just think there might be some changes coming for a program that is used to more success.
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HockeyDad41 wrote:Legit question Bo sorry you feel personally threatened by it. Name calling doesn't change a thing. Not like I think the Blades are falling apart, just think there might be some changes coming for a program that is used to more success.
You should try to solve the major problems with your own AAA club before you try to batter another. The '02 Blades will be there in the future,, while you'll probabably be trying to find a way to.....Break-Away. :idea: Your attempts are going to do nothing..... No chance at the Brick!

Name calling :?: :cry:

98's????
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MrBoDangles wrote:
HockeyDad41 wrote:Legit question Bo sorry you feel personally threatened by it. Name calling doesn't change a thing. Not like I think the Blades are falling apart, just think there might be some changes coming for a program that is used to more success.
You should try to solve the major problems with your own AAA club before you try to batter another. The '02 Blades will be there in the future,, while you'll probabably be trying to find a way to.....Break-Away. :idea: Your attempts are going to do nothing..... No chance at the Brick!

Name calling :?: :cry:

98's????
Sorry Bo didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled. Take it easy buddy. It'll be all right.
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Post by RMWCHOCKEY »

[/quote]
Unlike the Machine, the Blades have a future.. :idea: Why do most of the older Machine teams seem to fall apart? Will you still be on your knees in a few years?

Still no comment on the 98's?[/quote]

The "older" Machine teams don't necessarily "fall apart" - they just move on. Happens every year - the top kids have many more options than just playing on a summer AAA team and that's what happens to the Machine teams. Many top players start focusing on bigger and better things than settling in on a good AAA team. High school, Shattuck, Jr's etc. . . This whole situation is more of a compliment to MM and what they afford the kids along the lines of development and opening doors than it is a dig. While MM bashers may look at it like "their teams fall apart" others look at it as it is intended to be and that is that MM develops players first and not necessarily teams. The teams are just good by-products of having and developing solid talent in the early years. They seem to be doing just fine at the 99 - 02 which just happens to be before the kids start thinking about HS and other hockey options beyond AAA.

As far as the 98s go - dominant for three years before they lost their best player (and probably the best 98 in the country) to the 97 team. Hard to replace 60-80% of your offense especially in one player. Also lost two players to the 98 Blades "super team" that in all respects should be better than the 98 Machine or years past but for some reason hasn't had nearly the same success.
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Post by Pylon »

The 02 Blades weren't quite at the level of the other teams, obviously. The Blades lacked in depth to contend with the higher end teams. Team defense (as a group) was lacking to say the least. Too weak for this division but too strong for the open level IMO. You have to remember there were some very high end 02 teams in this tournament.
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Post by MrBoDangles »

RMWCHOCKEY wrote:
Unlike the Machine, the Blades have a future.. :idea: Why do most of the older Machine teams seem to fall apart? Will you still be on your knees in a few years?

Still no comment on the 98's?[/quote]

The "older" Machine teams don't necessarily "fall apart" - they just move on. Happens every year - the top kids have many more options than just playing on a summer AAA team and that's what happens to the Machine teams. Many top players start focusing on bigger and better things than settling in on a good AAA team. High school, Shattuck, Jr's etc. . . This whole situation is more of a compliment to MM and what they afford the kids along the lines of development and opening doors than it is a dig. While MM bashers may look at it like "their teams fall apart" others look at it as it is intended to be and that is that MM develops players first and not necessarily teams. The teams are just good by-products of having and developing solid talent in the early years. They seem to be doing just fine at the 99 - 02 which just happens to be before the kids start thinking about HS and other hockey options beyond AAA.

As far as the 98s go - dominant for three years before they lost their best player (and probably the best 98 in the country) to the 97 team. Hard to replace 60-80% of your offense especially in one player. Also lost two players to the 98 Blades "super team" that in all respects should be better than the 98 Machine or years past but for some reason hasn't had nearly the same success.[/quote]
"HS, Shattuck, Jr's".........? :roll:

All kids out grow AAA teams :idea: It happens with all teams. It's called aging out..... It wasn't too long ago that they only had a few age groups because so many kids bailed. :idea:

Nice try with the commercial
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Post by RMWCHOCKEY »

MrBoDangles wrote:
RMWCHOCKEY wrote:
Unlike the Machine, the Blades have a future.. :idea: Why do most of the older Machine teams seem to fall apart? Will you still be on your knees in a few years?

Still no comment on the 98's?
The "older" Machine teams don't necessarily "fall apart" - they just move on. Happens every year - the top kids have many more options than just playing on a summer AAA team and that's what happens to the Machine teams. Many top players start focusing on bigger and better things than settling in on a good AAA team. High school, Shattuck, Jr's etc. . . This whole situation is more of a compliment to MM and what they afford the kids along the lines of development and opening doors than it is a dig. While MM bashers may look at it like "their teams fall apart" others look at it as it is intended to be and that is that MM develops players first and not necessarily teams. The teams are just good by-products of having and developing solid talent in the early years. They seem to be doing just fine at the 99 - 02 which just happens to be before the kids start thinking about HS and other hockey options beyond AAA.

As far as the 98s go - dominant for three years before they lost their best player (and probably the best 98 in the country) to the 97 team. Hard to replace 60-80% of your offense especially in one player. Also lost two players to the 98 Blades "super team" that in all respects should be better than the 98 Machine or years past but for some reason hasn't had nearly the same success.[/quote]
"HS, Shattuck, Jr's".........? :roll:

All kids out grow AAA teams :idea: It happens with all teams. It's called aging out..... It wasn't too long ago that they only had a few age groups because so many kids bailed. :idea:

Nice try with the commercial[/quote]

Mr Bo,

No commercial - just my opinion.

So now you call it "aging out"? Hey, I was just trying to respond to your obvious issue with the Machine and MM with how their teams "fall apart". You apparently just explained it though with the "aging out" comment.

Do yourself a favor and shelf your hate of the Machine and MM. Like you said, kids move on. VERY few, if any teams stay in tact for more than a year or two. It's the same with the Blades and Machine - just look at the most recent example with the 98s. 98 Machine had some kids move on (they accomplished just about EVERYTHING they could at their age level) and the 98 Blades re-vamped totally (bringing in 5+ new guys). If history shows us anything I would say that the Machine teams are better in the first couple years and the Blades have the edge later only because they still have teams at the older levels (96). If you look at the current state between the Blades and Machine, the Machine has a very decided edge over the Blades. Compare the levels and their records and you'll soon see.
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Post by HockeyDad41 »

Don't bother trying to reason with Bo. If the 99 Machine team somehow took on and beat the reining Stanley Cup Champions next week, Bo would figure a way to spin it to bash Bernie and give all the credit to the Blades.
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Post by MrBoDangles »

RMWCHOCKEY wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
RMWCHOCKEY wrote:
Unlike the Machine, the Blades have a future.. :idea: Why do most of the older Machine teams seem to fall apart? Will you still be on your knees in a few years?

Still no comment on the 98's?
The "older" Machine teams don't necessarily "fall apart" - they just move on. Happens every year - the top kids have many more options than just playing on a summer AAA team and that's what happens to the Machine teams. Many top players start focusing on bigger and better things than settling in on a good AAA team. High school, Shattuck, Jr's etc. . . This whole situation is more of a compliment to MM and what they afford the kids along the lines of development and opening doors than it is a dig. While MM bashers may look at it like "their teams fall apart" others look at it as it is intended to be and that is that MM develops players first and not necessarily teams. The teams are just good by-products of having and developing solid talent in the early years. They seem to be doing just fine at the 99 - 02 which just happens to be before the kids start thinking about HS and other hockey options beyond AAA.

As far as the 98s go - dominant for three years before they lost their best player (and probably the best 98 in the country) to the 97 team. Hard to replace 60-80% of your offense especially in one player. Also lost two players to the 98 Blades "super team" that in all respects should be better than the 98 Machine or years past but for some reason hasn't had nearly the same success.
"HS, Shattuck, Jr's".........? :roll:

All kids out grow AAA teams :idea: It happens with all teams. It's called aging out..... It wasn't too long ago that they only had a few age groups because so many kids bailed. :idea:

Nice try with the commercial[/quote]

Mr Bo,

No commercial - just my opinion.

So now you call it "aging out"? Hey, I was just trying to respond to your obvious issue with the Machine and MM with how their teams "fall apart". You apparently just explained it though with the "aging out" comment.

Do yourself a favor and shelf your hate of the Machine and MM. Like you said, kids move on. VERY few, if any teams stay in tact for more than a year or two. It's the same with the Blades and Machine - just look at the most recent example with the 98s. 98 Machine had some kids move on (they accomplished just about EVERYTHING they could at their age level) and the 98 Blades re-vamped totally (bringing in 5+ new guys). If history shows us anything I would say that the Machine teams are better in the first couple years and the Blades have the edge later only because they still have teams at the older levels (96). If you look at the current state between the Blades and Machine, the Machine has a very decided edge over the Blades. Compare the levels and their records and you'll soon see.[/quote]
It's more of an effort to keep HD41 in check. He tries propaganda to bring down the Blades and then I respond with a slap back. He's kinda known as the village idiot around here...... :lol:

Now I did call him a name :shock:

Believe what you will
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Post by Pylon »

Once again the thread goes to bashing the programs. Its been debated to death....let it go already. People have to stop being so sensitive any time someone questions the success of a certain team in a certain program. Nothing wrong in asking why a team struggled! Get over it!
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Pylon wrote:Once again the thread goes to bashing the programs. Its been debated to death....let it go already. People have to stop being so sensitive any time someone questions the success of a certain team in a certain program. Nothing wrong in asking why a team struggled! Get over it!
So why don't you get over it then? He's a MACHINE parent and 80% of his posts are about the Blades. Check his profile...

I'm fine with it ending :wink:
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Post by MrBoDangles »

mnhockey2019 wrote:
HockeyDad41 wrote:What happened with the '02 Blades?

I only saw one game and they looked pretty good even though they eventually lost.

Is an overhaul needed?
It took you a while to bring up the 02s. I lost a $50 bet because I said that you would post something by last Tuesday on the 02s. The dial up connection at MM must have been down. Since you saw the Blades play, how about a little more analysis than "they looked pretty good"? How does a team that goes 0-5 look pretty good?

Is your 02 kid not going back to the Machine next year? Maybe the Blades revolving door will admit your kid for next year's team. Lets hope.
Why would people think this of HD??????? ](*,)
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Post by HockeyDad41 »

Jeez Bo - are you like 14 years old or something? Grow up.
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Pylon wrote:Once again the thread goes to bashing the programs. Its been debated to death....let it go already. People have to stop being so sensitive any time someone questions the success of a certain team in a certain program. Nothing wrong in asking why a team struggled! Get over it!
For the record, I have nothing against the blades. Kind of like the Green Bay Packers. Team is great, but the fans (in this case supporters) can be real imbeciles or maybe imBOciles.

Ask a legitimate question and the emotionally challenged freak out and lose their minds. Same guy every time too.

It's over Johnny......
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Post by hockey59 »

MrBoDangles wrote:
mnhockey2019 wrote:
HockeyDad41 wrote:What happened with the '02 Blades?

I only saw one game and they looked pretty good even though they eventually lost.

Is an overhaul needed?
It took you a while to bring up the 02s. I lost a $50 bet because I said that you would post something by last Tuesday on the 02s. The dial up connec must have been down. Since you saw the Blades play, how about a little more analysis than "they looked pretty good"? How does a team that goes 0-5 look pretty good?

Is your 02 kid not going back to the Machine next year? Maybe the Blades revolving door will admit your kid for next year's team. Lets hope.
Why would people think this of HD??????? ](*,)
The fact that the relative success or failure in tournaments of certain 2002 birth year teams is getting some posters on this forum either really worked up or really gleeful...is somewhat comical to me because the best 2002 birth years today ...won't necesarily be the best 2 years from now... or 4 years from now....just look at the 1998's today compared to 4 years ago...the RL's of the world are the exception to the rule (4 years later being one of the best 98's in the USA)...because in some cases other players will emerge from other AAA teams (not just Machine and Blades players) and some 2002's will simply not grow and will fall behind in their development....then later may get a late growth spurt and catch up.. so people getting wrapped in the rivalries between 2 top MN AAA programs is entertaining to read on this forum IMO...but untimately...wasted energy. On the other hand ...if talking up how a 2002 team is doing is fun for you...its fine with me...knock yourself out...its a free country.

Just remember, the only 1990 birth year who played a regular shift in the NHL this past season (Derek Stepan) was not picked to go to St. Cloud (in 2005) for the Advance 15 top 102 players camp...but then had a big growth spurt and worked his butt off to improve...made the 16 and 17 National Festivals and went to Shattuck after his soph year at Hastings...keep working extremely hard...and as they say..the rest is history...and I doubt any of this could be predicted when he was age 9...playing summer hockey.
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HockeyDad41 wrote:
Pylon wrote:Once again the thread goes to bashing the programs. Its been debated to death....let it go already. People have to stop being so sensitive any time someone questions the success of a certain team in a certain program. Nothing wrong in asking why a team struggled! Get over it!
For the record, I have nothing against the blades. Kind of like the Green Bay Packers. Team is great, but the fans (in this case supporters) can be real imbeciles or maybe imBOciles.

Ask a legitimate question and the emotionally challenged freak out and lose their minds. Same guy every time too.

It's over Johnny......
Are you stomping your feet while you're crying?

Pull up your panties and try to be a man. :lol:
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Looks like this thread's outlived any usefulness it may have once had.

*Yawn.*
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