Can-Am Selects win 32-0?

[I know all]

What is up with that? I was looking at the scores of the Int Cup this weekend and noticed many blowouts but nothing like this. Why do you need to crush someone 32-0?

In the game the team scored 10 goals up but by 22 goals in the third period?

They scored 10 shorthanded goals in the game.

If you ever do play in an elite tournament what comes around goes around.

I was looking at records and found the following.

The record for goals scored in an unsanctioned game is 92 as South Koreans women team squeaked by Thailand 92-0.

The record for goals scored in a sanctioned game is 82 as Slovakia beat Bulgarias Womens team 82-0. In that tournament Bulgaria was out-scored 192-1 in four games. Croatia should have fired its coach for giving up a goal in a 30-1 win. Italy and Latvia defeated them 41 and 39 to zip respectfully.

The most goals in an NHL game was 16 by Montreal in 1920. Ottawa scored 26 in the early teens but the league wasn't formed yet.

[interestedbystander]

Who knows if the stats are correct. These tournaments are notoriously bad at keeping accurate stats. Whether or not it is true in this particular case, I personally wish they would just stop publishing them if they can't get them right.

[interestedbystander]

Spoke to someone who is there - it is true they won 32 - 0. It is rumored they were trying to get a hat trick for every player on the team.

Anyway, I still think their stats keeping skills stink. Don't believe everything you read.

[Mr Hockey]

They won the semi final game 9-1 and won the Championship game 7-1. The team is from Bemidji, I Falls, Fort Fraances, and Dryden Ontario.

I hope they enjoyed the 4-7 hour ride home and the hotel stays in the cities and watching five blowout wins.

The team had half of the players play on the 2nd place open team last year and loaded up with more players and still played open. 75-2 they outscored the opposition. Congrats to you on embarrassing everyone in the open level Can/Am Selects.

[unsportsmanlikeconduct]

this team has been in here before and had very good games, this year the competition was very sub par......and to have a team I believe it was the run river renegades stop game in first period and forfeit, nice lesson to the kids......97 machine played up in 96 level and should have went to the invite level too, too bad the 97 machine couldn't not have set up a game with the 97 can am team.....

[hockeyday]

Problem with these tourneys is you don't know who's showing up and some the so called AAA teams that are more like house league this year. The Northland group expanded from the Loons over the last 2 years to now over 50 teams in all divisions. Is there that much more talent this year or has open AAA turned into rec hockey because of market saturation and people wanting to make a buck selling jerseys with AAA all over them to eager parents. There were 4 truly AAA calibre teams in this tourney, but it seems like more programs are pitching AAA with no regard to what it really means. The round robin narrows trims the weaker teams, but there appears to no longer be a minimum bar for who can call themselves AAA anymore. This is a good lesson for all considering an open tourney if you have a first year team or your roster is watered down due to injuries or other sports conflicts in June. For example, the Schwan AAA ice devils who got beat 32-0 also got beat by Northland Iron Range Blast 16-0 and Wisconsin 18-1. Funny how a northland team runs up the score 16-0, but walks off the ice when they're down 15-0 in same tourney. Last year Thunder Bay Rangers who were originally expected to return this weekend won the same tournament last year scoring 53 goals over 5 games with only 5 against. They then won the final 5-2 vs Loons. Thats a pretty good gap in teams and scores at the same AAA tourney and maybe its time to have invite AAA, open AAA and AA/rec divisions if the parents can accept there kid isn't AAA.

[hockeyday]

And problem just isn't in Minnesota with growing number of check book AAA programs. Canada has a new OTS Flyers program out of Thunder Bay similar to Northland. Check out some of the open scores where Machine and Jr. Steelers ended up in same division in some cases and destroyed these house league 20 player roster wanabee AAA teams by over 20 goals. Are the machine and steelers bad programs when you travel to a AAA tournament where these teams show up weak as hell charging $500 bucks a kid for anyone who can write a check to be part of aaa team? The 2000 team was outscored 60-2 in 5 games should the Steelers and Machine Black apolagize because they actually thought they would be playing AAA teams in Winnipeg?


LAST MONTH NORTH AMERICAN SUBWAY CLASSIS SCORES
Schedule for 1997 male,AAA Division,OTS Flyers
June 16 Manitoba Spartans 9 OTS Flyers 1
June 17 Mallard Stars 10 OTS Flyers 3 regular
June 17 OTS Flyers 2 Manitoba Falcons 9
June 18 OTS Flyers 2 Edmonton Jr Oilkings 22
June 18 OTS Flyers 1 Southern Alberta Battle 10

Schedule for 1998 male,AAA Division,OTS Flyers Black

Thurs June 16 Vancouver Island Stars 20 OTS Flyers Black 0
Fri June 17 OTS Flyers Black 0 Manitoba Colts 18
June 17 Midwest AAA Crush 20 OTS Flyers Black 1
June 18 Briercrest Jr Clippers 9 OTS Flyers Black 2 B Side Playoff


Schedule for 2000 male,AAA Division,OTS Flyers
June 16 OTS Flyers 0 Minnesota Machine Black 14
June 17 Manitoba Spartans 6 OTS Flyers 0
June 18 Jr Steelers 21 OTS Flyers 0
June 18 Manitoba Thunderbolts 11 OTS Flyers 1 B Side Playoff
June 19 OTS Flyers 0 Manitoba Spartans 8 B Side Consolation

[Mr Hockey]

your boy is on the can am team. Was this tournament worth the ride and hotels and the fee to be in it to whoop up on everybody. I also noticed that the Rum River Renegades forfetied after it was like 15-0 wiith a minute into the third period and some roughing penalties happened. I am not upset that the teams coach decided to walk off the ice as shots were like 39-1 at that point. I think the Blast beat the Devils 11-0 but it was 8-0 after one and they did what I believe most coaches would do and that is only score three more goals in the next two periods to win 11-0. They could have scored 24 goals at that pace. Your coaches Copiskey and Laroque should be ashamed. Especially Laroque as he coaches the high school team in Grand Rapids. You reading this Randolph???

Admit it. Your team was too strong. You beat up on two extremely good teams your last to games by 16-2. Your team should never have been in an open level tournament.

[Lord Baltimore]

This is the very reason why WINTER AAA hockey needs to be prevented at all costs. The model is severely flawed.

[DDad]

I am a little bit interested in what happened at North American Cup as well with teams getting blown out in the 20's by well respected teams like junior steelers and machine black? Its always fair to question if a team might be too strong to be in an AAA open but is it also not fair to question if some teams are too weak to sell themselves as AAA. Not sure why Thunder Bay clobbered Northland Owls 20-1 last year, but squeezed by Northland's Loons at the same tourney 5-2? Seems like some Northalnd teams were fairly strong and surprised I haven't seen or heard anything about 97 Loons this year. I would think Northland might focused on building up what they already had before adding dozens more teams and marching them back to the same true AAA tournaments that previous teams got clobbered at.

[hockeyday]

Mr. Hockey sounds like you didn't watch any of the games as Laroque or his son didn't actually attend the tourney. Sounds like you should talk to refs and tournament officials before trusting your coach's spin. As for the Red Rum Renegades you are so quick to support, I guess you likely didn't get the rest of the story on how 2 Rum River coaches were thrown off the bench one for cursing at the players as he walked by their bench. He then verbally attacked fans in the rink in front of many of us, while the other tossed coach waived his arms wildly and when that didn't work he threw open side doors to the rink and ordered his remaining coach to send his team off the ice. Those coaches weren't even allowed in the rink at that point. To conclude this display, while CAN/AM coaches were still on bench picking up sticks and water bottles, the little bald Rum River coach then proceeded to flip the finger to the entire Can/Am 14 year squad as they left the ice and were about to enter their dressing rooms. Can/am had 3 yes thats right 3 penalties that entire game and none in the 3rd perid when Rum River walked off the ice almost 7 minutes into the third period? Don't spin this into a oh they were running us too story! So your Iron Range Blast beats Ice Devils 16-0 and all is good, but Can/Am beats Rum River 15-0 with 3 penalties in the entire game and its an outrage- clear the rink. And on top of this your ashamed of a coach and have the nerve to name him on an internet site when he wasn't even there!!! Real professional and classy.

On a side note, Thunder Bay and others who was supposed to be back and there looked to be strong core group of teams. Problem is if you have a lighter roster than normal and choose an open you don't know what you're gonna get until a week before. I know Can/Am is playing 4 or 5 invites and only played one open this summer due to conflicts and injuries causing 5 or 6 of the top players to be missing this last weekend. This is a first year team with this group and no one was expecting or hoping there would be that great a gap in talent with the teams in attendance. Besides the first game which was pathetic against a team everyone killed. Count the shot total, it wasn't that high and nearly every puck found a home. Every other game was under 16 goals which surprisingly the same spread some your own Northland teams enjoyed in some of their games.

[Quasar]

This is the very reason why WINTER AAA hockey needs to be prevented at all costs. The model is severely flawed.

No, this is the reason that winter AAA hockey needs to happen in a controlled way. The setup now with an Invite and Open label needs to be expanded to include a Rec level and teams need to be held accountable so that this does not happen. There needs to be an A, B, and C level and teams need to be slotted into them and then need to be moved up or down to fit.

AMEN !!!

[DDad]

another problem with open format when such a huge gap in team strength in round robin play is often goals for may become a factor. I understand Wisconsin beat Ice Devils 18-0 or 18-1 first game of tourney. If your in same pool as wisconsin you are almost forced to try beat that team worse if you are in wisconsin's pool in the event you're tied in the standings. Take the goals for out of the calculation and teams aren't encouraged to run up the score. However, if I know Wisconsin is a tough team and they beat a team 18-0, I don't have much reason to put on the brakes if it may knock me out a championship game. If a team comes into a tournament and starts hearing 18-0 nothing scores, the bar has been set for what kind of scores you have to surpass.

[spin-o-rama]

This is the very reason why WINTER AAA hockey needs to be prevented at all costs. The model is severely flawed.

No, this is the reason that winter AAA hockey needs to happen in a controlled way. The setup now with an Invite and Open label needs to be expanded to include a Rec level and teams need to be held accountable so that this does not happen. There needs to be an A, B, and C level and teams need to be slotted into them and then need to be moved up or down to fit.

Tinkering with the summer format is a good idea before opening a pandora's box in the winter season.

[DDad]

I've seen more winter hockey using a maximum of 7 goals when calculating goals for to prevent the need for teams to run up the score. Looking at the site, it looks like the Wisconsin Badgers were 29 goals for and 1 goal against after first 2 games last weekend. That means every other team in their pool has to start friday allowing no more than 1 goal and scoring more than 30 goals early in the tournament in the event there is a tie in the standings. Wisconsin has a gold and silver medal this summer i know at Fire on Ice and another tourney and is a high scoring club. With this type of format and 29 goal start for tourney, this now means every team in that pool now has to run up the score and allow no goals in the event they both end up tied in the standings. The short solution here is if you have big gaps in teams, don't set up the tournament in a way that you encourage strong clubs to hammer the weaker teams in round robin because of the tie breaking format.

[O-townClown]

There needs to be an A, B, and C level and teams need to be slotted into them and then need to be moved up or down to fit.

Then it wouldn't be AAA.

[interestedbystander]

There needs to be an A, B, and C level and teams need to be slotted into them and then need to be moved up or down to fit.

Then it wouldn't be AAA.

Who cares what it is called. Contrary to the know-it-all's on here, parents aren't throwing open their check books so their kid can be called "AAA" worthy. They are opening their check books so that ALL kids (not just the top tier) can be given the opportunity to play hockey year round and hopefully improve so they can be better for association hockey and for the love of playing hockey. Seems to me, coaches and summer organizations should be better at honoring the invite/open levels and play where they are supposed to. From what I have seen there seems to be 3 levels in summer hockey (I agree with NPC) - the truly elite (go to the Prospects/Chi-Town Shuffle, etc.), invite, and open -- A, B, or C -- whatever you want to call it. Parents are paying so their kids can play (hopefully relatively equal competition) not for some silly label.

[Mr Hockey]

I was not there and looked at the internet roster and saw that Laroque is a coach. I apologize to him if he wasn't there.

Still a long was to come to win five games 74-2.

The Pepsi Cup in Fargo asks every team to rate themselves from three pools and they usually put them at least in two pools when they can.

Many blowouts there however too.

[Mr Hockey]

Could anything positive have come on the ice in a blowout game where the shots were 35-1 and the game was getting rough? No!!! Not saying it was right of a coach to walk off of the ice but leaving the game probably saved someone on his team or your team a chance of being thrown out of the game and not playing in the tournament anymore. If he flipped off your players that is not right either.

Bad things happen all around in extremely lopsided games.

[DDad]

It sounds like Mr. Hockey and some others are on the right track about 3 pools. Even the Caribou is going to an elite and AAA division this year where they were just invite before because the gap betweeen the top 4 or 5 teams and the rest of the programs can be huge. This is bigger than throwing shots at one team at one tournament if there 29-1 blowouts by Wisconsin in just 2 games and even worse scores at North American Cup a few weeks ago by Jr Steelers. It sounds like from the post some great teams from Thunder Bay were there last year doing the same thing and i know with many of these tourneys no one is quite sure how strong the competition is going to be until you get there often at game time. Often when a team arrives and sees high scores where math is involved in standings often precipitates even higher scores as teams compete for tops in their pool. Clearly identifying at least 3 levels elite, AAA and open/new programs would avoid the huge disparities affecting many of the tournaments out there especially in summer hockey where teams are put together on the fly.

[bluecollar]

I agree with 3 pool ranking model so that extremely weak teams and extremely strong teams have a middle buffer group separating them. A team could than clearly identify if you were closer to the elite group or closer to the more start-up program level. I spoke to a CAN/AM parent on the weekend and its a new team with this being first full summer with a number of newly introduced players. He said they did 2 invites in the spring and are doing 2 later this summer and threw in an an open tourney for mid-summer as they weren't on skates since May and were missing about 5 or 6 of their regular invite tourney players. In fact, he said they just grabbed a new goalie and Defencemen that had never played with the team two days before the tournament due to injuries. Didn't sound like they expected that big a disparity in teams especially as it sounded like some of the players had played some pretty good teams at this same tourney last year as part of the Northland 97 Loons team. I would be upset if a team tried to enter a second tourney if they're that strong, but sounds like when they were booking a new team's tourneys in spring they weren't looking to run over teams. I think it will be a first and final appearance at the open with that much horsepower.

[the_juiceman]

Mr. Hockey sounds like you didn't watch any of the games as Laroque or his son didn't actually attend the tourney. Sounds like you should talk to refs and tournament officials before trusting your coach's spin. As for the Red Rum Renegades you are so quick to support, I guess you likely didn't get the rest of the story on how 2 Rum River coaches were thrown off the bench one for cursing at the players as he walked by their bench. He then verbally attacked fans in the rink in front of many of us, while the other tossed coach waived his arms wildly and when that didn't work he threw open side doors to the rink and ordered his remaining coach to send his team off the ice. Those coaches weren't even allowed in the rink at that point. To conclude this display, while CAN/AM coaches were still on bench picking up sticks and water bottles, the little bald Rum River coach then proceeded to flip the finger to the entire Can/Am 14 year squad as they left the ice and were about to enter their dressing rooms. Can/am had 3 yes thats right 3 penalties that entire game and none in the 3rd perid when Rum River walked off the ice almost 7 minutes into the third period? Don't spin this into a oh they were running us too story! So your Iron Range Blast beats Ice Devils 16-0 and all is good, but Can/Am beats Rum River 15-0 with 3 penalties in the entire game and its an outrage- clear the rink. And on top of this your ashamed of a coach and have the nerve to name him on an internet site when he wasn't even there!!! Real professional and classy.

On a side note, Thunder Bay and others who was supposed to be back and there looked to be strong core group of teams. Problem is if you have a lighter roster than normal and choose an open you don't know what you're gonna get until a week before. I know Can/Am is playing 4 or 5 invites and only played one open this summer due to conflicts and injuries causing 5 or 6 of the top players to be missing this last weekend. This is a first year team with this group and no one was expecting or hoping there would be that great a gap in talent with the teams in attendance. Besides the first game which was pathetic against a team everyone killed. Count the shot total, it wasn't that high and nearly every puck found a home. Every other game was under 16 goals which surprisingly the same spread some your own Northland teams enjoyed in some of their games.

3 penalities that were called...what about all the elbows to the head after the checks? what about the numerous butt-ends after the check? the refs called nothing--it was the worst case of officiating I've seen in my 15 years of youth Hockey, and your players took full advantage of it. Ask your players what they were saying to the other team before you start pointing fingers. Saints they are not. swearing & cussing and other inappropriate things were said all game. They didn't pull them because of the score--they pulled them because they didn't want any one to get hurt. also, there was no finger given to no one. Your coach is the one who wanted to step out in the parking lot.... what about the pulling the goalie in a 30-0 score to try and get everyone a hat trick? class all the way...

[hockeyday]

Must of been at the wrong rink for the stuff you were talking about because no one pulled a goalie the whole tournament and no one was close to getting a hat trick for the whole team so not quite sure where that rumor came from. As for the officiating, I thought it was very good all weekend and i guess if you imagined pulled goalie that weren't pullled then it's pretty tough to argue calls with you when you suggest it was like road warrior thunderdome yet there were 3 penalties the whole game. I suggest a good optomitrist.

[the_juiceman]

Must of been at the wrong rink for the stuff you were talking about because no one pulled a goalie the whole tournament and no one was close to getting a hat trick for the whole team so not quite sure where that rumor came from. As for the officiating, I thought it was very good all weekend and i guess if you imagined pulled goalie that weren't pullled then it's pretty tough to argue calls with you when you suggest it was like road warrior thunderdome yet there were 3 penalties the whole game. I suggest a good optomitrist.

and maybe it's time you take off your "rose colored" glasses

[OneMoreYear]

Just point of clarification - Word is this was a Bernie experiment gone bad - it was not the entire 97 Machine Orange Team, just a handful of skaters and both goalies - the remaining players were from the '97 Black team. The Championship game against Western WI must have been very competitive - 2-1 OT/SO win. That said, outside that game, neither team was challenged and the level of play at the 96 Level was atrocious, even for Open AAA hockey.

this team has been in here before and had very good games, this year the competition was very sub par......and to have a team I believe it was the run river renegades stop game in first period and forfeit, nice lesson to the kids......97 machine played up in 96 level and should have went to the invite level too, too bad the 97 machine couldn't not have set up a game with the 97 can am team.....