Coaching Education Program: Age-Specific Modules

57special · Post by **57special** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:40 am

Definitely could have been condensed. At one point they give pointers on how to talk to kids 7-10 years old on Alcohol and drug use. Really? Interesting that there were no female presenters in any of the 17 modules.

abc123 · Post by **abc123** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:36 pm

This has been a total waste of time.. I can't believe they are going to make us watch this stupid crap every year.. It is a blue print for USA hockey for them to make more money.. USA hockey and NC$$ are about the same thing if you ask me..

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:56 pm

abc123 wrote:This has been a total waste of time.. I can't believe they are going to make us watch this stupid crap every year.. It is a blue print for USA hockey for them to make more money.. USA hockey and NC$$ are about the same thing if you ask me..

I can't decide if I hope you are my kid's coach because if these were a total waste of time, you must know everything, or hope you are not my kid's coach because if they were a total waste of time, you know nothing.

Putting some basic educational requirements on "volunteers", may just clear out some with the above attitude, and open up spots for some that are willing to learn, get better, and become part of a team. Those that feel these are a total waste of time can move on down the road as far as I'm concerned. We'll find others. I know I don't want my kids spending much time with these attitudes.

USA Hockey has very few paid positions. What exactly do you propose the "money grab" is for? Is it to line the pockets of the shareholders? Or could it be to produce educational opportunities, and provide more opportunites for its members? The "money grab" proposition is a joke.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:25 pm

It has been a few days since I started this thread. I've been putting in a good deal of time and I'm still not done. It's long, and unfortunately that's going to be a problem for some.

Some additional thoughts:

* A great deal of this information is relevant for parents. It would be nice if a very short program were made available at no cost to parents. In order to be an effective coach, parents need to reinforce the coach's philosophy.

* Youth hockey teams would be well served to have a parent take on the title of "Chief Nutrition Officer" that could coordinate snacks. Probably less of an issue in the metro area where practices and games are close to home, but helpful when out of town on tournament weekends with two games in a day. Easier for one person to procure a bag of apples than each family (in which case it won't get done).

* Including safety, fitness, drug awareness, and nutrition - what I'll call the "non-hockey" education - all in one year might be overkill. These are things that could possibly be addendums to the core program. Maybe I'm naive, but hopefully these are also being taught at school and promoted at home.

All in all, I'm still very happy with the move to online learning. Having some exposure to web classes in my primary job, I know it is a collosal undertaking to create content.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:18 pm

Maybe you could get Michelle Obama as the "Chief Nutrition Officer", that would be collosal and many would jump at the opportunity to watch every video offered.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:46 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Clown...better hurry...She has a head start on you. Word is that the WH are starting their own national hockey program with modules that have great graphics.

hocmom · Post by **hocmom** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:46 am

A bit of nutrition info would be good, but very few would listen.

It must be hard to coach that kid that just spent an hour in the car with a 847 ounce Monster drink and two bags of skittles.

I would think coaches would prefer this to having to spend a day at a seminar. Outstate you have to pay attention for the nearby classes or you end up driving a long way.

abc123 · Post by **abc123** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:56 am

SECoach wrote:
abc123 wrote:This has been a total waste of time.. I can't believe they are going to make us watch this stupid crap every year.. It is a blue print for USA hockey for them to make more money.. USA hockey and NC$$ are about the same thing if you ask me..
I can't decide if I hope you are my kid's coach because if these were a total waste of time, you must know everything, or hope you are not my kid's coach because if they were a total waste of time, you know nothing.

Putting some basic educational requirements on "volunteers", may just clear out some with the above attitude, and open up spots for some that are willing to learn, get better, and become part of a team. Those that feel these are a total waste of time can move on down the road as far as I'm concerned. We'll find others. I know I don't want my kids spending much time with these attitudes.

USA Hockey has very few paid positions. What exactly do you propose the "money grab" is for? Is it to line the pockets of the shareholders? Or could it be to produce educational opportunities, and provide more opportunites for its members? The "money grab" proposition is a joke.

Well I never once said I know everything.. But how much great information could they possibly put in the video when I have watched about a grand total of about 5 min of the information and can pass the tests? I think its a waste of time when they ask you about should a coach be developing skills for or trying to find your player pee-wee an agent? YES its a waste of money.. So tell me what USA hockey has done for your Program? Most Money goes to the Top players and their development in Ann Arbor.. Ohh and I must be doing an OK job I have been coaching for over 20 years in the same successful program

hocmom · Post by **hocmom** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:08 am

I have been coaching for over 20 years in the same successful program

Not everyone is the same. Some are just starting out. No one can know how much you know. How do you develop a program that is perfect for the beginner and the veteran? Would some vetrans benefit from a new idea or two?

20 years coaching is a long time, good thing you weren't on the board.

Thanks for your service.

This is the first year. Moving the program online is a good thing, I think. It will change/improve over time.

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:34 pm

abc123 wrote:
SECoach wrote:
abc123 wrote:This has been a total waste of time.. I can't believe they are going to make us watch this stupid crap every year.. It is a blue print for USA hockey for them to make more money.. USA hockey and NC$$ are about the same thing if you ask me..
I can't decide if I hope you are my kid's coach because if these were a total waste of time, you must know everything, or hope you are not my kid's coach because if they were a total waste of time, you know nothing.

Putting some basic educational requirements on "volunteers", may just clear out some with the above attitude, and open up spots for some that are willing to learn, get better, and become part of a team. Those that feel these are a total waste of time can move on down the road as far as I'm concerned. We'll find others. I know I don't want my kids spending much time with these attitudes.

USA Hockey has very few paid positions. What exactly do you propose the "money grab" is for? Is it to line the pockets of the shareholders? Or could it be to produce educational opportunities, and provide more opportunites for its members? The "money grab" proposition is a joke.
Well I never once said I know everything.. But how much great information could they possibly put in the video when I have watched about a grand total of about 5 min of the information and can pass the tests? I think its a waste of time when they ask you about should a coach be developing skills for or trying to find your player pee-wee an agent? YES its a waste of money.. So tell me what USA hockey has done for your Program? Most Money goes to the Top players and their development in Ann Arbor.. Ohh and I must be doing an OK job I have been coaching for over 20 years in the same successful program

I'm pretty sure the point is to watch the videos on the off chance you may learn something, and the test is to verify that you did. Kudos to those that have found a way around learning something. By the way, Minnesota State law now says that you cannot coach unless you have concussion training this year, so I hope you got it somewhere else. I was able to decide that I hope you are not my kid's coach, just on the off chance they take a shot to the head. Like I said, no problem here if you move on down the road rather than experience (you've stated that you didn't watch it) this total waste of time. If the only thing these requirements accomplish is to clear out some "know it alls", I'm good with that. They might just get replaced by coaches that actually WANT to know. Ohh and I have seen people coach for 20 years, and use the same old methods over and over and over. No room for anything new. Most associations don't have the will to get rid of them, but congratulations on that! I think someone should watch one of the modules before they tell the world what a "total waste of time" they are.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:49 pm

Amazing day on the ice. We implemented the nutrition training with all coaches dressing within the four main food groups. Although the kids were looking for a handout after practice, we enforced that this is not a Holloween exercise. If we keep them eating right and staying out of "three car garages" we should be on the right path to success. Tomorrow we start personal financial investment options...how to invest in a turbulent market...I hope the carrot brings his laptop.

HockeyDad41 · Post by **HockeyDad41** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:45 am

SECoach wrote:
abc123 wrote:This has been a total waste of time.. I can't believe they are going to make us watch this stupid crap every year.. It is a blue print for USA hockey for them to make more money.. USA hockey and NC$$ are about the same thing if you ask me..
I can't decide if I hope you are my kid's coach because if these were a total waste of time, you must know everything, or hope you are not my kid's coach because if they were a total waste of time, you know nothing.

Putting some basic educational requirements on "volunteers", may just clear out some with the above attitude, and open up spots for some that are willing to learn, get better, and become part of a team. Those that feel these are a total waste of time can move on down the road as far as I'm concerned. We'll find others. I know I don't want my kids spending much time with these attitudes.

USA Hockey has very few paid positions. What exactly do you propose the "money grab" is for? Is it to line the pockets of the shareholders? Or could it be to produce educational opportunities, and provide more opportunites for its members? The "money grab" proposition is a joke.

Well said. Hopefully this new requirement will clear out some of the riff raff.

hocmom · Post by **hocmom** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:27 am

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Amazing day on the ice. We implemented the nutrition training with all coaches dressing within the four main food groups. Although the kids were looking for a handout after practice, we enforced that this is not a Holloween exercise. If we keep them eating right and staying out of "three car garages" we should be on the right path to success. Tomorrow we start personal financial investment options...how to invest in a turbulent market...I hope the carrot brings his laptop.

I like it.

I was thinking of maybe the basics. There are times when I wonder if a bit of sleep and decent food might have tipped the scales for my kid's team.

Maybe just a reminder that going to be before midnight and having a couple slices of peanut butter toast in the AM is a better idea than X-Box until 2 and Mountain Dew for breakfast.

As for the online bit, I know our level 3 coaches liked the online recert and said they learned more online than in a class.

PanthersIn2011 · Post by **PanthersIn2011** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:11 pm

SECoach wrote:USA Hockey has very few paid positions. What exactly do you propose the "money grab" is for? Is it to line the pockets of the shareholders? Or could it be to produce educational opportunities, and provide more opportunites for its members? The "money grab" proposition is a joke.

If you read the annual report(s) from USAH, you will see very large expenditures for the NDTP and national teams ($3M and $4.9M respectively in 2010). You will also see very large discrepancies between membership (players & coaches) fees and membership services.

Do you not believe that the elite programs are subsidized, in part, by the general membership?

Over 55,000 coaches, many of whom need to take multiple modules. You think they spent $600K on this?

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:53 am

As for the online bit, I know our level 3 coaches liked the online recert and said they learned more online than in a class.

Maybe the previous classes offered by your DD were less than informative and many would have paid extra cash to not attend. Who attached this trailer to my hitch?

D6Rocks · Post by **D6Rocks** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:56 pm

Shinbone_News wrote:
D6Rocks wrote:Complete waste of time.
Didn't watch a minute of the videos
Classic. And the chorus all chimes in, "HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH A MINUTE OF IT?"

Classic.

Why are you YELLING???

LOUD NOISES!!!

How much info could be in there, if you don't have to watch the videos, to answer the questions on the tests?

It was a waste of the people making the videos time.
It was a waste of anyone's time who has to log in and even start the videos.

Did you do it? What is new in there that is of any value?

My association pays me back the fee, so I don't care about the money.

D6Rocks · Post by **D6Rocks** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:12 pm

hocmom wrote:
As for the online bit, I know our level 3 coaches liked the online recert and said they learned more online than in a class.

The re-certification is a different animal. Much better to spend a couple hours online than 8 hours at a middle school.

spin-o-rama · Post by **spin-o-rama** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:27 pm

I just finished the squirt module. Overall I would give it very good marks. A very good selection of presenters, although I was shocked that Mr Development Garth Snow was not asked to present a section.

Pros - much better than sitting in a auditorium all day. Can we just eliminate the clinics and do everything online? It's way more convenient to do a section during a break at work or to do an hour or 2 after putting all the kids down for the night. The presentations were very good. Some of the presenters did have a deer in the headlights look to them.

Cons - USA hockey needs to address their hosting. The buffering and inability to connect was a constant problem that added at least an hour to the whole time. I do video conferencing and other online training for work and never have this problem. This is the number 1 item to get right for next year.

I hope the modules will not be identical every year or it will get redundantly boring year after year. I didn't have multiple levels to do, so I can only hope overlapping segments are streamlined for those coaching many teams.

Some have complained that the message is underneath them. It's easy to see that when most of the squirt examples are being done by C level players. Showing the drills being done by A, B, & C level players of the same age will help reinforce that the principles are good for all.

Minor nit-picks:
USA hockey is sticking with the blue pucks in the video, even though it's only "recommended" for squirts.

Not enough variety in video clips. The same shot is showed over and over in many sections.

They talk about keeping kids busy, then show ice practices with 80% of the kids standing around.

They talk about small area games being naturally competitive and so a coach doesn't need to yell at kids to go hard, then the clip shows a coach yelling at the kids to hustle the whole SAG.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:29 pm

C'mon Spinner, that wasn't yelling! He was being supportive and encouraging!

blindref · Post by **blindref** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:40 pm

At the risk of being accused of Blasphemy, does Minnesota Hockey really need USA hockey?

We choose to use different birthdates than the rest of the country so none of our youth teams are allowed to advance to national tournaments (except Shattuck).
Our kids play for community or school based teams, Russel Stover, Belle Tire and Chicago Mission hand pick their teams from hundreds of kids
Who pay thousands of dollars to play.

So basically we pay for insurance (available policies could be underwritten by anyone), training seminars and materials (that could probably be made by qualified people in Minnesota) and stop signs for the back of jerseys.

And we get to spend a lot of our money to help subsidize the USDP and National teams.
Money that could be used locally to help offset equipment and ice time costs all over the state.
I am not openly advocating leaving USA hockey, just asking a question if it's needed.

sorno82 · Post by **sorno82** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:35 am

Minnesota does not need USA hockey, but rather, USA hockey needs Minnesota.

I am coaching two levels, and I have to sit through both modules which is a major waste of time. I have a bantam, but have to sit through the triangle attack explanation. Gotta keep the nine year olds off of alcohol and they need to eat their vegtables.

Thanks USA hockey, I never knew that.

57special · Post by **57special** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:27 am

spin o rama,
My struggles with the buffering (on my recent Apple Desktop, no less) were "epic" as my 11 year old would say. Added quite a bit of time to the whole process.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:41 am

I have gotten through 3 modules (Bantam,Pee Wee and Squirt) Bantam - I watched the whole thing and it was a joke. Pee Wee watched most of it also a joke. Squirt did not watch more than 30 seconds. This information may be useful to someone who has never seen a game of hockey or stepped on the ice in their whole life. I agree this is just a money grab by usa hockey

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