EP PWA Tournament

[Mnhockeys]

Last year Rochester Red played an independent schedule instead of with D9 teams, then during playoff it was given a top seed. There were some discussions here about it.

Anyone knows what the arrangement is this year?

[Shortsidegoal]

Rochester needs some praise here they played in the toughest bracket got beat by PL soundly and tied Wayzata and Lakeville South and out shot Lakeville south 22-3 in the 3rd period if it wasnt for the Lakeville Goalie Lakeville wouldnt have made Sunday. Im just sayin

Outshot 22-3 .... Definitely not the same game i watched. Shots we're pretty even in the third period and LVS completely dominated the game in the first two periods probably putting on close to 30 shots in the 1st and 2nd while rochester maybe had 10 shots over the same period.

In the end the shots were to 2+ to 1 in favor of LVS. Take off the homer glasses here. Rochester is a good team probably around the 15-20 range in the state but LVS dominated that game. Some great saves by the rochester goalie and a few nice plays by the kids playing D are the only reason it wasn't a 5 goal game...

[BadgerBob82]

Irish: What happened to John Marshall and Mayo at the HS level? Century HS was built. The Rochester school district didn't want 2 HS with 2,200 students so they built a new school with enrollments of about 1,300-1,500 per school. That gave Lourdes recruiting potential as they always make the small school tournament. The pie is now being sliced 4 ways where in the 70's-80's it was sliced two ways and Lourdes was never a factor.

Youth hockey numbers are down from the "olden days". Yes Rochester has 100,000 population, but school enrollments are below the 70's-80's and far more "colorful" that ever yet the hockey pie is sliced 4 ways.

That said, how many High Schools does Edina youth hockey truly feed? How about Eden Prairie? Woodbury? Prior Lake/Savage? Osseo/Maple Grove?

The ONLY youth hockey association that truly fields two A level teams throughout their program is Lakeville. Wayzata now has 2 A teams and I am guessing this will be a one year trial.

What ever happened to South St. Paul, Richfield, North St. Paul, Fridley, Coon Rapids? When I grew up, these were the powerful associations?

[hunting247]

Wow, no mentioned of Lakeville South lost to PL 2:1, with a SOG much in favor of Lakeville S? A team with 2+ to 1 SOGs would have won most of the games.

Not mentioned because Lakeville South placed 5th. Shots on goal don't matter if you don't win the game. What happened against Rochester??? Prior Lake beat that team 8-0 and Lakeville Tied them 1-1. Sorry Lakeville is good but there are plenty of teams better.

I did not say LVS won the game because they had more SOG's! They lost to PL and the score was 1:2. PL is a great team and probably the best in the state now. But can you say a team has a better chance (> 50%) to win a game if it has 2-to-1 favor in SOG or the other way around? Asking this question is because most likely these teams will face each other a few times this season, could a goalie have an average day things could be different.

Plenty of teams are better than LVS? Name your list and let us find out what happens.

For now PL is 16-0, LVS lost to PL (1:2) and OMG (4:5 at pre-season).

obviously you are very bitter that LVS lost to PL, and PL won the championship. Like I said LVS is good but not a great team. It is early in the season and only time will tell.

[BadgerBob82]

shortside: I'm pretty sure you can say that about most games. Missed or made opportunities usually determine the outcome of a game. LV goalie also made some great saves? Maybe a pipe or whiff on open net opportunity could have handed LV a loss? Prior Lake/Savage is the cream of the crop. Lakeville South is a top 10 team that could fall lower.

[TheJet]

shortside: I'm pretty sure you can say that about most games. Missed or made opportunities usually determine the outcome of a game. LV goalie also made some great saves? Maybe a pipe or whiff on open net opportunity could have handed LV a loss? Prior Lake/Savage is the cream of the crop. Lakeville South is a top 10 team that could fall lower.

I would expect drinking on a Tuesday from a "badger", but South won't drop out of top 5 and will make a case for #1 again at some point.

[Irish]

Irish: What happened to John Marshall and Mayo at the HS level? Century HS was built. The Rochester school district didn't want 2 HS with 2,200 students so they built a new school with enrollments of about 1,300-1,500 per school. That gave Lourdes recruiting potential as they always make the small school tournament. The pie is now being sliced 4 ways where in the 70's-80's it was sliced two ways and Lourdes was never a factor.

Youth hockey numbers are down from the "olden days". Yes Rochester has 100,000 population, but school enrollments are below the 70's-80's and far more "colorful" that ever yet the hockey pie is sliced 4 ways.

That said, how many High Schools does Edina youth hockey truly feed? How about Eden Prairie? Woodbury? Prior Lake/Savage? Osseo/Maple Grove?

The ONLY youth hockey association that truly fields two A level teams throughout their program is Lakeville. Wayzata now has 2 A teams and I am guessing this will be a one year trial.

What ever happened to South St. Paul, Richfield, North St. Paul, Fridley, Coon Rapids? When I grew up, these were the powerful associations?

Point well taken Badger. Question. Wasn't Rochester hockey on the down swing before they built Century high school?

I applaud the associations that have two "A" teams. Building for the future without worrying about winning now attitude.

[Irish]

shortside: I'm pretty sure you can say that about most games. Missed or made opportunities usually determine the outcome of a game. LV goalie also made some great saves? Maybe a pipe or whiff on open net opportunity could have handed LV a loss? Prior Lake/Savage is the cream of the crop. Lakeville South is a top 10 team that could fall lower.

I would expect drinking on a Tuesday from a "badger", but South won't drop out of top 5 and will make a case for #1 again at some point.

There's no doubt Lakeville South should remain in the top five all year long.

[hockeydad65]

shortside: I'm pretty sure you can say that about most games. Missed or made opportunities usually determine the outcome of a game. LV goalie also made some great saves? Maybe a pipe or whiff on open net opportunity could have handed LV a loss? Prior Lake/Savage is the cream of the crop. Lakeville South is a top 10 team that could fall lower.

I would expect drinking on a Tuesday from a "badger", but South won't drop out of top 5 and will make a case for #1 again at some point.

There's no doubt Lakeville South should remain in the top five all year long.[/quote

BadgerBob......please tell me 10 teams besides PL that are better than LVS right now.

[Mnhockeys]

Not mentioned because Lakeville South placed 5th. Shots on goal don't matter if you don't win the game. What happened against Rochester??? Prior Lake beat that team 8-0 and Lakeville Tied them 1-1. Sorry Lakeville is good but there are plenty of teams better.

I did not say LVS won the game because they had more SOG's! They lost to PL and the score was 1:2. PL is a great team and probably the best in the state now. But can you say a team has a better chance (> 50%) to win a game if it has 2-to-1 favor in SOG or the other way around? Asking this question is because most likely these teams will face each other a few times this season, could a goalie have an average day things could be different.

Plenty of teams are better than LVS? Name your list and let us find out what happens.

For now PL is 16-0, LVS lost to PL (1:2) and OMG (4:5 at pre-season).

obviously you are very bitter that LVS lost to PL, and PL won the championship. Like I said LVS is good but not a great team. It is early in the season and only time will tell.

Hunt...: You had it all wrong ... I would rather see a good team beats LVS . But to say there "are plenty teams better" than LVS, give your list here to let people judge and time tell!!

If you read my old post, I predicted LVS to win the championship and PL to win consolation, obviously the reverse happened. Thanks to the host to put PL and LVS in the same bracket, if otherwise PL vs. LVS game could be played as the last game of the tournament.

Cannot speak for the host, maybe they were treating ER and others as the top ranked teams when they did the pool a couple of weeks ago ?

[edgeless2]

I would expect drinking on a Tuesday from a "badger", but South won't drop out of top 5 and will make a case for #1 again at some point.

There's no doubt Lakeville South should remain in the top five all year long.[/quote

BadgerBob......please tell me 10 teams besides PL that are better than LVS right now. [/quote

PL LVS and Stillwater are in a class by themselves. I suspect it will remain that way with ER Edina EP and MG nipping at their heels all year long. Just my opinion but their seems to be a dropoff after that group.

[Irish]

My top ten metro teams:

1) Prior Lake
2) Lakeville South
3) Elk River
4) Eden Prairie
5) Maple Grove
6) Stillwater


7) Edina
Minnetonka

9) Lakeville North
10) Blaine

Who did I leave out?

What teams outside the 50 miles radius will be good?

[BadgerBob82]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Curious what you see that makes you think LVS can't get any better while a lot of other teams can ? is LVS playing perfectly, up to there potential ? clean breaks out, no missed passes, in position at all times etc. ? I'm just curious what is different about them than all the other teams that have room for imporvement.

[buttend]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

[oldtimer64]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

Lakeville South PWA has 14 skaters and 1 goalie.

[buttend]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

Lakeville South PWA has 14 skaters and 1 goalie.

So only 1 not 2 kids got screwed by the Association

[oldtimer64]

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

Lakeville South PWA has 14 skaters and 1 goalie.

So only 1 not 2 kids got screwed by the Association

No one got screwed. Lakeville South only had 46 skaters tryout. 4 pw teams. 1-A, 1-B-1, 1-B-2 and Co-op C team with Lakeville North. Before you come on here a state things you might want to research them.

[Mnhockeys]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

If LVS PWA team took two goalies instead of one, is one of them the "B goalie" you had to bring up in case the A goalie is out?

Am I missing something here?

[Mnhockeys]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

How many teams in the top 40's have few than 15 skaters?

LVS - 14

[hunting247]

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

Lakeville South PWA has 14 skaters and 1 goalie.

So only 1 not 2 kids got screwed by the Association

Also figure in the new kids that moved to this association to play on the "A" team that did not play for Lakeville last year

[oldtimer64]

Unless I'm missing something, LVS has 1 goalie and 13 skaters? I would consider that a lack of depth. A case of mono here and a broken finger there and you're down to 2 lines and possibly a B goalie? It's 1 month into the season for most teams and I think the room for improvement is great. LVS can really only go down in my opinion. Prior Lake/Savage gets better every time I see them. And I think if you look at the top 20 rankings, there are alot of teams that will continue improving. I just think LVS has come out of the gate fast and will trickle down.

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

How many teams in the top 40's have few than 15 skaters?

LVS - 14

How about Woodbury 14 skaters 2 goalies. They have 7 pw teams.

How about Highland Central 12 skaters 2 goalies. They have 5 pw teams.

How about Rosemount 14 skaters 2 goalies. They have 3 pw teams.

those are few I found. I'm sure there are more.

[Mnhockeys]

Why does a Metro Association allow a PeeWee A team with 13 skaters? I know Rosemount has done it, Minnetonka has done it. I just dont get it. You mean to tell me that #14 and #15 are just not even close to being "A" players that you cant take them? Or is it because winning is more important that developing 15 kids? I'm sure in many smaller Asociations your #14 and #15 would be on that team!

How many teams in the top 40's have few than 15 skaters?

LVS - 14

How about Woodbury 14 skaters 2 goalies. They have 7 pw teams.

How about Highland Central 12 skaters 2 goalies. They have 5 pw teams.

How about Rosemount 14 skaters 2 goalies. They have 3 pw teams.

those are few I found. I'm sure there are more.

Any statistics suggests whether a smaller team or bigger team do better throughout a season??

Of course it comes down to if everyone on the team plays at the correct level. Let us just say if you have 15 A-level skaters from your association, will you do better with 15 skaters or 13 skaters on the A team?

[2112]

Rochester needs some praise here they played in the toughest bracket got beat by PL soundly and tied Wayzata and Lakeville South and out shot Lakeville south 22-3 in the 3rd period if it wasnt for the Lakeville Goalie Lakeville wouldnt have made Sunday. Im just sayin

Outshot 22-3 .... Definitely not the same game i watched. Shots we're pretty even in the third period and LVS completely dominated the game in the first two periods probably putting on close to 30 shots in the 1st and 2nd while rochester maybe had 10 shots over the same period.

In the end the shots were to 2+ to 1 in favor of LVS. Take off the homer glasses here. Rochester is a good team probably around the 15-20 range in the state but LVS dominated that game. Some great saves by the rochester goalie and a few nice plays by the kids playing D are the only reason it wasn't a 5 goal game...