Hockey Hub Stats

observer · Post by **observer** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:33 pm

A few weeks ago, buried in another topic, someone questioned the accuracy of the stats on Hockey Hub. In some instances it hasn't been corrected. Hockey Hub is a great site but it requires coaches, or team Hockey Hub administrators, to be accurate with the data they input.

One example made a couple of weeks ago was in regards to Shakopee which still hasn't been corrected. They were suspect last year as well finding a way to enter more assists than what the refs had given. I'm all for a good start, and correcting ref scoring errors, but every goal doesn't have two assists. Lakeville South has been suspect on the boy's side.

Here are some examples from the Shakopee site. Don't get me wrong, Shakopee has some nice players just not quite that good.

Game 1 Shakopee scored 2 goals yet it shows Lauren Hespenheide with 4 goals

Game 2 Shakopee scored 3 goals yet it shows Amy Menke with 4 goals

Game 3 Shakopee scored 7 goals and the Hub shows Menke with 7 on her own. The Hub reports 13 goals and 16 assists, 29 total points.

Game 4 Shakopee scored 6 goals and the Hub shows 6 goals and 6 assists so maybe they started inputting things correctly but still haven't gone back to fix their earlier errors.

This is not cool and should be corrected ASAP. Maybe Shakopee doesn't have the State's leading scorer.

Other examples that should be corrected? We can use this topic to post suggested corrections or questionable data entry. Maybe some better instructions on data input for the team volunteers is necessary.

Pens4 · Post by **Pens4** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:00 pm

Observer....Thanks, I saw the same thing after seeing a couple players off to such a great start.

Are the game sheets listed accurate?

The phantom 2nd assist will may always be present but until the individual stats from the game can be accurately brought to the site...they need to stop it now. It will shortly reach a point where they will be completely skewed and too big a task to correct.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:33 pm

I was told by our local coach that the system the hockey hub used for stats was changed and is more complicated than last year's program, which is why the stats aren't as accurate. He said most coaches liked the way it was and are not happy about the new system.

Antagonist · Post by **Antagonist** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:24 pm

Over half our team is listed as playing in only one game and stats are inaccurate. I too have heard coaches are not happy with change. I personally don't think it is as user friendly as last year.

ron123 · Post by **ron123** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:06 pm

They (the stats) are absolutely terrible. Who is posting them?

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:16 am

It has nothing to do with who is posting the stats. It has everything to do with their new software. I know a lot of coaches that are frustrated with Hockey Hub.

Hockey Hub chose to upgrade their site, but they are finding many gliches in the system!

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:41 am

I preferred last season's easier layout. To many clicks, and time, to get to what I want to look at which is the player stat page. I presume in trying to provide more and better stats they may have went to far with the site capabilities. The platform is outstanding and is now being used by a lot of clubs, teams and leagues across the US. Other leagues may have demanded an opportunity to summarize more stats but in pumping it up it may have become a little to difficult to use. Some leagues have paid staff to figure it out where the MSHSL uses volunteers.

Anyways, hopefully everyone (Shakopee) can get in and fix their teams information to be accurate.

The boys started games last night so we'll see how it goes on the boy’s side. They have been using the Hub for one more year than the girls so may be more familiar with it.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm

I wonder if they are having problems. It looks like Benilde put 50 shots on Tech in the 2nd period. So I wonder if that game is accurate.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:26 pm

Tigers33 wrote:I wonder if they are having problems. It looks like Benilde put 50 shots on Tech in the 2nd period. So I wonder if that game is accurate.

I've learned to just go the actual game sheets and ignore all the graphic stuff. In this case the shots on the box score [ http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/game/game_sheet/2072172 ] are probably right: 22+22+19=63 total. Although you can certainly question why Benilde ran up the score so much...

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:45 pm

Looks like Hockey Hub has changed some stats (Shakopee).

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:41 pm

Knight7 wrote:Looks like Hockey Hub has changed some stats (Shakopee).

They are better! but still not perfect. I noticed on a couple of game stats that a goalie played 76 minutes but they were scored on 7:55 into the first OT

There were some others that showed 60 minutes but there was no OT, on another the other goalie was in but they had 0 minutes, I don't think that Hockey hub is 100% at fault, It could be just entered wrong.

either way Im a stat nut and I like accuracy if its not accurate its worthless data.

OnTheBench · Post by **OnTheBench** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:15 am

I would say that maybe it is a little better but still far from perfect. As an example, one of our goalies is listed as having played 1 game for the normal 51 minutes where she gave up 4 goals. Somehow that results in a 4.71 goals against average. In addition, you can't even scroll through the goalie stats pages while maintianing the sort on save percentage. Both of these have got to be software issues.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:00 am

I would say 99.9 percent of the issues are within hockey hub and their software.

hockeyfan87 · Post by **hockeyfan87** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:41 am

Tigers33 wrote:I would say 99.9 percent of the issues are within hockey hub and their software.

It doesn't appear to be just Hockey Hub, all of the NGIN powered sytems seem to be having trouble. I have seen it on our youth sites as well. I wish they would go back to the old simple system...

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:58 pm

In the last 24 hours the hub has posted 4 different scores on the Proctor/Hermantown vs. Irondale game. 3 out 4 of the posts are wrong. They went from P-H winning 8-0 to 4-0 Irondale (right) then 0-0 and now 2-0 Irondale with only 1 goal scored.

I also noticed the Game 1 with White Bear Lake vs. BSM score was right 7-3 BSM but all the scorers were doubled. Kelly Pannek had 3g 2a 5 pts but given 6g 4a 10pts and so on with all the scorers, it is 14 to 6 score with 20 total goals. I wonder how many more are wrong.

This isn't getting any better. Sometimes it is better to keep things simple.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:18 pm

"Less is more"

"Perfection is the enemy of 'good enough'"

I can see where these comments are coming from to go back to what they had before.

I'd really like to hear from someone that has used the old and new versions to see if it's just an issue with users acclimating to new input formats/GUI implementation. If it is, that doesn't anywhere near entirely take the designers off the hook for the situaiton as these sorts of things should have been considered early on (or at some point) in the development process.

Once the issues are worked out it appears that this could be a nice upgrade. Maybe the near term solution is to allow different leagues/organizations to select the old "simple" format vs the new "enhanced" version. Maybe more training is needed for those inputting info. as well?

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:50 pm

maybe we could get people to post scores to the scores sticky until they get the site correct, so we can at least keep track of game scores.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:09 pm

ghs - Trust me its the software. There were not many issues last year at all. I would bet MOST games are being entered correctly, but the software is messed up. The new version makes no sense.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:12 pm

allhoc11 wrote:maybe we could get people to post scores to the scores sticky until they get the site correct, so we can at least keep track of game scores.

I'd say this is a good idea. There is a sticky thread for this:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27285

Also - here are the two other score sites:

MN Scores:
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/scorebo ... &sport=110
or same info. in a different format:
http://www.sportscow.com/scoreboard.php ... &sport=110

MSHSL:
http://mshsl.org/mshsl/results.asp?actnum=460

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:14 pm

Tigers33 wrote:ghs - Trust me its the software. There were not many issues last year at all. I would bet MOST games are being entered correctly, but the software is messed up. The new version makes no sense.

I believe it. I retired before this came on-line as the score site so I don't have any hands-on experience with its user interface - old or new. Thanks for the feedback/input.

titleist · Post by **titleist** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:08 am

ghshockeyfan wrote:
Tigers33 wrote:ghs - Trust me its the software. There were not many issues last year at all. I would bet MOST games are being entered correctly, but the software is messed up. The new version makes no sense.
I believe it. I retired before this came on-line as the score site so I don't have any hands-on experience with its user interface - old or new. Thanks for the feedback/input.

I just used this new site for the first time and all I can say is..."What a pain in the rear to get everything in." If you mess up, well you've messed up the whole thing. This new site is garbage!!! I hate it...

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:00 am

titleist wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:
Tigers33 wrote:ghs - Trust me its the software. There were not many issues last year at all. I would bet MOST games are being entered correctly, but the software is messed up. The new version makes no sense.
I believe it. I retired before this came on-line as the score site so I don't have any hands-on experience with its user interface - old or new. Thanks for the feedback/input.
I just used this new site for the first time and all I can say is..."What a pain in the rear to get everything in." If you mess up, well you've messed up the whole thing. This new site is garbage!!! I hate it...

Hmm... Sounds more like a major change than a minor one (to what they had for score/stats input). The "roll-back" option might be what's best. I ran a stats site a number of years ago and that was one comment from HS coaches that opted to use it - it allowed for extremely detailed stats or just the final score. Similar "old" vs. "new" choice might be what's best here. The major concern is that if you don't make this somewhat easy - or at least appear about as easy as before - the participation drops quickly without heavy incentive to do so.

backdoor · Post by **backdoor** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:11 am

Interesting comments about Hockey Hub, I've used it several times this year and found it extremely easy to use. I find it easier to use than last year.

mnprephubs · Post by **mnprephubs** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:52 am

I am the web producer for the MN Girls Hockey Hub and I wanted to reach out to everyone on this forum.

We are aware that there were a number of unfortunate bugs with our new scoring system early in the year. I personally apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused and can assure you that most of those issues have been resolved at this point.

The new scoring app was put in place both to make the process easier for teams and coaches entering data, as well as allowing for additional functionality in the long term. Some of the new features that are in development and will be released in the future include mobile applications, mobile browser friendly views, integrated video, enhanced reporting and more. One enhancement already available on the application is the ability to score games from any web-friendly device, including iPads and smart phones.

We sincerely appreciate any feedback you about the app. Please feel free to send us suggestions for improvements or tweaks to the current system. And, by all means, let us know about any errors that are existing on the site.

Your feedback will only make this system better and create a more robust platform for girls hockey, which is our No. 1 goal.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns, do not hesitate to email me at eric.ebert@tstmedia.com

Thanks,

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:03 pm

Sounds like an opportunity for someone to create a user-friendly and accurate site. I wish I was a programmer, but work on the business analysis and analytics/data mining side of the fence. Bad data and/or sotware bugs make any reporting and analysis worse than useless. Sounds like some up-front QA would have prevented this, but that's water under the bridge heading over the falls right now. Looks like things are slowly headed in the right direction.