Koposia Classic

iceage · Post by **iceage** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:18 am

Who is in this year's Kopsia Classic?

MinnGirlsHockey · Post by **MinnGirlsHockey** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:31 pm

Here are the varsity brackets:
http://hockey-girls.secondary.sspps.sch ... c88a020325

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:04 am

Just one question about the Kaposia....

How come SSP never seems to draw any of the top schools in the first round of the Kaposia like all the other top programs that play their do? Not taking anything from the Hibbings program, or Hutchinson, or some of the others that SSP has played in the first round over the years. But they never seem to draw Blake or Warroad or Roseville or Minnetonka.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:39 am

First of all its their tournament. So there is no "draw" that you speal of. SSP picks who they want to play, and who everyone else is going to play. Do you think these games are picked out of a hat?

Second, if you take a look at the first round games they have some reason behind those "draws." SSP should play warroad in the second round and roseville will play the winner of Minnetonla and Hill. I am not sure how good Blake will be this year. So they have it set up to have a top class AA team play a toip class A team in the championship.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:38 pm

Hansonbrother wrote:Just one question about the Kaposia....

How come SSP never seems to draw any of the top schools in the first round of the Kaposia like all the other top programs that play their do? Not taking anything from the Hibbings program, or Hutchinson, or some of the others that SSP has played in the first round over the years. But they never seem to draw Blake or Warroad or Roseville or Minnetonka.

Just one of the advantages of running your own tournament...nothing new here, no conspiracy, nothing wrong with it... just a statement of fact. Teh field for the Kaposia is usually pretty strong, so I don't think there is any real "pushover" team in the tourney.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:13 am

Not sure why they would want top A and top AA teams to play in final. One would think (in theory) for this packed of a tournament, they would want the top 2 teams, regardless of class, to play in the Championship. Seems a little too quaint for my taste. Yes, I realize it's their tournament and they can do what they want, but I think they could garner more interest and more excitement by seeding appropriately, imho.

JIT · Post by **JIT** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:05 pm

Post game scores if you have them please.

hckynut12 · Post by **hckynut12** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:08 pm

Minnetonka 5 HM 0

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:26 pm

hckynut12 wrote:Minnetonka 5 HM 0

Not sure Hannah Brandt's presence could have overcome a 5 goal margin.

hckynut12 · Post by **hckynut12** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:58 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:
hckynut12 wrote:Minnetonka 5 HM 0
Not sure Hannah Brandt's presence could have overcome a 5 goal margin.

I believe when they played earlier this year HM did beat Mtka 5-4 with Brandt

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:08 pm

hckynut12 wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:
hckynut12 wrote:Minnetonka 5 HM 0
Not sure Hannah Brandt's presence could have overcome a 5 goal margin.
I believe when they played earlier this year HM did beat Mtka 5-4 with Brandt

That is correct, HM did beat Tonka with HB in the lineup. May not have made a difference today, but clearly they can beat them should they meet for a third time. Tough loss for the HM squad, but they get another chance tomorrow to show they can win without her in the lineup. It isn't clear when her training is over and whether she can make the consolation or 7th place game on Saturday or not...

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:35 pm

Roseville 1 Blake 1 Roseville wins in shoot out

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:39 pm

Hill looked like deer in highlights didn't move their feet needed HB to lead them

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:20 pm

Couldn't agree more. They executed the dump and chase but forgot to try and score after the chase.

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:05 am

I think the better question that wasn't answered was if Minnetonka can beat HM with HB in the lineup. I think they can, but it has not been proven. The other question that won't be answered in this tournament is who has the inside track on the #1 seed in 4AA, Roseville or HM.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:15 am

Sparlimb wrote:The other question that won't be answered in this tournament is who has the inside track on the #1 seed in 4AA, Roseville or HM.

And another question is whether the seedings will be determined by their QRF rankings or the traditional coaches vote? One advantage of the coaches vote, I suppose, is that they have the ability to take missing players into account when evaluating the results in important games such as these...but whether they choose to do this, or not, is yet another question!

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:52 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:The other question that won't be answered in this tournament is who has the inside track on the #1 seed in 4AA, Roseville or HM.
And another question is whether the seedings will be determined by their QRF rankings or the traditional coaches vote? One advantage of the coaches vote, I suppose, is that they have the ability to take missing players into account when evaluating the results in important games such as these...but whether they choose to do this, or not, is yet another question!

True enough. Although the coaches aren't an independent voice either, they can and do have agendas. This likely makes very little difference in 4AA though as 4 teams are ranked in top 15 in state, so there is very little advantage to have the #1 versus the #2 other than line changes in a potential section final.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:00 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:The other question that won't be answered in this tournament is who has the inside track on the #1 seed in 4AA, Roseville or HM.
And another question is whether the seedings will be determined by their QRF rankings or the traditional coaches vote? One advantage of the coaches vote, I suppose, is that they have the ability to take missing players into account when evaluating the results in important games such as these...but whether they choose to do this, or not, is yet another question!
True enough. Although the coaches aren't an independent voice either, they can and do have agendas. This likely makes very little difference in 4AA though as 4 teams are ranked in top 15 in state, so there is very little advantage to have the #1 versus the #2 other than line changes in a potential section final.

Agreed on coaches - I was thinking the same thing!

And... beyond line changes - I could only see this being an issue if it's "high seed host" - but I think this is played at a neutral site. Not every conf. is this this way.

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:29 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote: And another question is whether the seedings will be determined by their QRF rankings or the traditional coaches vote? One advantage of the coaches vote, I suppose, is that they have the ability to take missing players into account when evaluating the results in important games such as these...but whether they choose to do this, or not, is yet another question!
True enough. Although the coaches aren't an independent voice either, they can and do have agendas. This likely makes very little difference in 4AA though as 4 teams are ranked in top 15 in state, so there is very little advantage to have the #1 versus the #2 other than line changes in a potential section final.
Agreed on coaches - I was thinking the same thing!

And... beyond line changes - I could only see this being an issue if it's "high seed host" - but I think this is played at a neutral site. Not every conf. is this this way.

Unless my memory is completely shot, all the 4AA section games were at Aldrich last year, which does happen to be HM's home rink, but I doubt that gives them any advantage.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:35 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote: True enough. Although the coaches aren't an independent voice either, they can and do have agendas. This likely makes very little difference in 4AA though as 4 teams are ranked in top 15 in state, so there is very little advantage to have the #1 versus the #2 other than line changes in a potential section final.
Agreed on coaches - I was thinking the same thing!

And... beyond line changes - I could only see this being an issue if it's "high seed host" - but I think this is played at a neutral site. Not every conf. is this this way.
Unless my memory is completely shot, all the 4AA section games were at Aldrich last year, which does happen to be HM's home rink, but I doubt that gives them any advantage.

I believe you are right about 4AA and Aldrich now that you mention it. Some coaches object to using a section team's home rink as the central site for various reasons. Must not be an issue with the section 4AA group.

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:12 pm

Hill-Murray tops Blake 2-1 in the first consolation semi-final.

Shots 43-23 in favor of HM according to Hockey Hub. A nice rebound win for my Hill girls.

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:46 pm

Anybody have updates from today's action?

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:21 pm

Sparlimb wrote:Anybody have updates from today's action?

HM welcomed HB back and beat Hibbing 5-0 to win the consolation bracket. Hannah had 3 goals and an assist in her return. Shots were 51-11.

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:06 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:Anybody have updates from today's action?
HM welcomed HB back and beat Hibbing 5-0 to win the consolation bracket. Hannah had 3 goals and an assist in her return. Shots were 51-11.

come on it was Hibbing not Edina they should have won 10 to 0 on running time

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:37 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:Anybody have updates from today's action?
HM welcomed HB back and beat Hibbing 5-0 to win the consolation bracket. Hannah had 3 goals and an assist in her return. Shots were 51-11.
come on it was Hibbing not Edina they should have won 10 to 0 on running time

When shots are 51-11, that says enough. Sometime a goalie makes the saves. I'll take that margin in shots any night of the week.

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