2012 Mr. Hockey

SportsNorthFan · Post by **SportsNorthFan** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:37 pm

I would go with Randolph from East

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:39 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:It seems to be pretty wide open right now, Both Peterson and Thomas have made a strong case so far. Randolph's chances (fair or not) are probably reduced due to playing with Toninato. Kloos has been pretty much a mirror image of a year ago when it comes to scoring. I can't remember a year that had as many likely candidates that chose to leave. As deserving as any of the boys mentioned are this list could easily contain names like, Lucia, Skjei, Rielly, Michealson, Walker and several more. It will make for lively discussion but I'll say Thomas, as he likely has the most NHL attributes that the voters like.

All I've heard is that the voting for Mr. Hockey is done by NHL scouts and college coaches. Does anyone know if they use any specific criteria? Who has the highest pro upside? Who was the best High School player? Who they think will be the best college player? Just wondering if anyone has any insight into the specifics.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:50 pm

Neuuman wrote:
keepyourheadup wrote:It seems to be pretty wide open right now, Both Peterson and Thomas have made a strong case so far. Randolph's chances (fair or not) are probably reduced due to playing with Toninato. Kloos has been pretty much a mirror image of a year ago when it comes to scoring. I can't remember a year that had as many likely candidates that chose to leave. As deserving as any of the boys mentioned are this list could easily contain names like, Lucia, Skjei, Rielly, Michealson, Walker and several more. It will make for lively discussion but I'll say Thomas, as he likely has the most NHL attributes that the voters like.
All I've heard is that the voting for Mr. Hockey is done by NHL scouts and college coaches. Does anyone know if they use any specific criteria? Who has the highest pro upside? Who was the best High School player? Who they think will be the best college player? Just wondering if anyone has any insight into the specifics.

Not sure how they do voting, however, it should be the BEST HS PLAYER. Period. Just like the Heisman trophy in college football. Mr. Hockey shouldn't be "who has the best NHL potential" or "who is gonna be the best college player"

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:16 pm

I've heard the same when it comes to the voters. I know there is quite a bit of Randolph momentum out there and it is well deserved. Do you think if he and Kloos switched teams their production would be the same? It seems a question worth asking, and NO , I don't have the answer.

longdistancespectator8 · Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:50 pm

If Lakeville South can find a way to beat Lakeville North Kloos in my eyes has to win. Take him off that south team and they would have a hard time beating anyone.

If South is upset again then I think Randolph takes it home.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:27 pm

longdistancespectator8 wrote:If Lakeville South can find a way to beat Lakeville North Kloos in my eyes has to win. Take him off that south team and they would have a hard time beating anyone.

If South is upset again then I think Randolph takes it home.

I agree with that statement. LN is playing much better hockey than they were in the beginning of the season. I think LS is gonna have a tough time with them come sections.

longdistancespectator8 · Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:02 pm

I hope they do beat them. It would be a shame to see a kid putting up those numbers not win Mr. Hockey. I mean 8 points his past two games against eagan and burnsville. There are not many who would be able to say the same.

south2010 · Post by **south2010** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:27 am

Kloos... my vote

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:40 am

A northern kid hasn't won it since Ness. Randolph in a landslide!

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:14 am

The only thing I'll predict is if Kloos wins it, you'll get the usual bellyaching on here that it has to go to a Gopher recruit (even though that hasn't always been that way).

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:33 am

Co-winners Randolf/Toninato[sp]

Defensive Zone · Post by **Defensive Zone** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:06 pm

Does anyone know the exact prerequisites on this award? Is it goals, assists, points, durability, leadership, defense, team play, wins and losses, strength of schedule, etc? Basically, what does it take to be nominated, let alone win it?

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:06 pm

After compiling some statistics for the three most mentioned names a statistical breakdown looks something like this:

Randolph HS 80gp/153pts Elite 39gp/20pts Overall 119gp/173pts

Toninato HS 80gp/129pts Elite 44gp/48pts Overall 128gp/173pts

Kloos HS 65gp/187pts Elite 47gp/81pts Overall 112gp/268pts

Numbers can not tell the whole story, quality of competition and the team they play for are part of the equation.

Defensive Zone · Post by **Defensive Zone** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:08 pm

[quote="keepyourheadup"]After compiling some statistics for the three most mentioned names a statistical breakdown looks something like this:

Randolph HS 80gp/153pts Elite 39gp/20pts Overall 119gp/173pts

Toninato HS 80gp/129pts Elite 44gp/48pts Overall 128gp/173pts

Kloos HS 65gp/187pts Elite 47gp/81pts Overall 112gp/268pts

Numbers can not tell the whole story, quality of competition and the team they play for are part of the equation.[/quote

Keep...Great stats!

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:24 pm

Sorry must be math challenged.....Toninato 124/173

StreetStix · Post by **StreetStix** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:53 pm

Interesting point in the thread on Dom's commitment regarding the last few Mr Hockey winners going right to the college level. Is that Kloos's plan as well?

longdistancespectator8 · Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:07 pm

There is a good chance that Toninato and Randolph will lose votes to each other. With them being on the same line and on what is likely the best team in the state, someone voting for Toninato could just as easily vote for Randolph. Whereas, with Kloos, he plays on a decent Lakeville South team against a fairly difficult schedule. However, he is the only metro player really mentioned in this topic so he will really not being losing votes to other players in his conference or area. In addition, he doesn't have the added issue of having a Mr. Hockey candidate on his line with Harvey's numbers down so much from last year.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:11 pm

Kloos hands down.
Led the Elite League in points.
Amazing player.
Team North had Randolph/Tont/Olson line

ELITE LEAGUE
R Player PTS
1. Justin Kloos 47
2. Jake Guentzel 41
3. Grant Besse 32
4. Kyle Lee 29
5. Grant Opperman 29
6. T.J. Roo 28
7. Max Coatta 27
8. Vinni Lettieri 27
9. Dylan Steman 25
10. Trevor Olson 25

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:09 pm

Not sure the Elite League has anything to do with it. It's a MN High School Hockey award which probably means regular season. Lakeville South losing to Eden Prairie last night hurts. At the beginning of the year I'm not sure anyone would have seen that loss coming. Lakeville South seems to have underperformed which could cost Kloos who was likely the preseason favorite. Great player but just not sure how the voters will see it.

Was Brock Nelson second in voting 2 years ago. He's done well going straight to D1 at UND.

xy · Post by xy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:57 pm

observer wrote: Lakeville South losing to Eden Prairie last night hurts. At the beginning of the year I'm not sure anyone would have seen that loss coming.

I'm not sure you'll find universal agreement on that assertion - even with all the seniors they lost from last year, Eden Prairie remains Eden Prairie and everybody expected them to be good. Let's Play Hockey ranked Eden Prairie #8 and Lakeville South #14 in its preseason rankings, for example.

It's also a bit hard to believe a single loss, in which Kloos did score two goals, should determine a season-long award.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:47 pm

Not so sure south has under performed. They have managed to stay close with the teams ranked ahead of them for the most part. If team success is part of the criteria Kloos doesn't really stand a chance. I don't know if Elite performance is factored in or not but rest assured many of those that vote also attended games and follow the league closely.

xy · Post by xy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:56 pm

South had one really bad week, with the losses to Lakeville North and Prior Lake. The only game they weren't in was the loss to Edina, which was their first game but Edina's fourth. Their other losses - Breck, Eagan twice, and Eden Prairie - were competitive; both losses to Eagan were by one goal (although they were outshot badly in the first Eagan game).

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:11 pm

xy wrote:South had one really bad week, with the losses to Lakeville North and Prior Lake. The only game they weren't in was the loss to Edina, which was their first game but Edina's fourth. Their other losses - Breck, Eagan twice, and Eden Prairie - were competitive; both losses to Eagan were by one goal (although they were outshot badly in the first Eagan game).

I think everybody would agree that was a brutal week for South. But, Kloos had 3 goals and 4 assists in those two games, and the team had 8 goals. There's only so much one player can do to help his team win games. I personally don't think team performance or record should have anything to do with it. They have an award for team performance - the State Championship trophy given at the X in March. With that being said, all of the finalists named at the end of the year will deserve to be there. IMHO

HOCKEYlover1919 · Post by **HOCKEYlover1919** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:15 pm

Kloos Randolph or Guentzel I'd have to go with

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:23 pm

HOCKEYlover1919 wrote:Kloos Randolph or Guentzel I'd have to go with

Except for the fact that Guentzel's a Junior.