Section 4AA

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:56 pm

i thought stillwater wasn't as fired up as Hill last night they seemed slow and they feet weren't moving except #14 she looked like next super star in section 4AA for 9th grader. and what more can you say about HB when she picked the top corner twice last night great game

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:52 pm

Girls hockey: Brandt, Pioneers stop Stillwater in semifinals

"Don't tell me there's a better 18-year-old hockey player in the country, because there's not."

http://www.stillwatergazette.com/articl ... sghock.txt

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:28 pm

Congrats to Roseville. They were definately the better team tonight. HM played their hearts out but couldn't get any bounces to go their way. Goalie for Roseville was the biggest difference and I'd say its between them and Edina for state.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:39 pm

Hill-Murray looked like the better team outshooting Roseville 22-10 going into the 3rd. I do agree that Roseville's goalie was the difference as she came up big many times in the 2nd and 3rd periods. Brodt did a great job shadowing Brandt. Roseville took advantage of the few opportunities they had. I think Minnetonka could be a strong contender as well.

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:12 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:Girls hockey: Brandt, Pioneers stop Stillwater in semifinals

"Don't tell me there's a better 18-year-old hockey player in the country, because there's not."

http://www.stillwatergazette.com/articl ... sghock.txt

i think after last night roseville D #8 Lee just proved you wrong she shut down HB and made her non-factor.if head to head chooses Ms Hockey Lee wins

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:15 am

GHS what does krach say now?

titleist · Post by **titleist** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:00 am

Sparlimb wrote:Congrats to Roseville. They were definately the better team tonight. HM played their hearts out but couldn't get any bounces to go their way. Goalie for Roseville was the biggest difference and I'd say its between them and Edina for state.

I've been biting my tongue this whole section playoff with your posts...

But Roseville had posted in their locker room all week, "It's not an upset if the so-called underdog has all along considered itself the better team."

Everyone kept rating this team down because of a bad tournament over the holidays. Ya, they lost two games to two good teams. They were also missing their top two players... Maybe now they might get the respect they have earned. Good thing those kids don't follow the ratings!

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:43 am

Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.

puckskillz · Post by **puckskillz** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:24 am

Yes, Brandt is reportedly the top rated forward for her age in North America just not MN. Also, as far as all of the posts about "respect" In my experience, the girls rarely care about rankings or what other people outside of their community think. They just want to play and beat their immediate opponent and that's where they earn respect. It's one of the great aspects of coaching girls in that they don't get all wrapped up in the outside stuff and want to settle things on the ice. Coaches can use rankings as a measuring stick but at the end of the year everyone forgets who was ranked where and moves on to next year. What matters is that there is really good hockey being played in this section and competitive games every week.

MinnGirlsHockey · Post by **MinnGirlsHockey** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:17 am

hockeywild7 wrote:Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.

Not much different, but this Strib Hub article says shots were 29-16:
http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=113956

Game stats aren't in the Hub yet.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:44 am

Was there actually a measure of disrespect directed at Roseville through the section playoff...or the season as a whole? I'm not the most dedicated reader of this forum obviously, didn't read any of that. Maybe I missed it.

If it's merely a 2nd seed in the section I probably wouldn't see that as not getting the respect they deserve. Or their LPH ranking? Anyone who would actually not have due respect for Roseville as a legit player for a State Title would not be paying too close attention to the Raiders team...I would have to believe. Not to mention the history of Roseville in varsity hockey for the girls.

Congrats to Roseville on a section title and State Tourney berth.

Congrats to the Pioneers on an outstanding season.

Where / when can we find State Tournament brackets?

hockeyhockeyhockey · Post by **hockeyhockeyhockey** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:34 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:Girls hockey: Brandt, Pioneers stop Stillwater in semifinals

"Don't tell me there's a better 18-year-old hockey player in the country, because there's not."

http://www.stillwatergazette.com/articl ... sghock.txt
i think after last night roseville D #8 Lee just proved you wrong she shut down HB and made her non-factor.if head to head chooses Ms Hockey Lee wins

SAY what???

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:48 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:Girls hockey: Brandt, Pioneers stop Stillwater in semifinals

"Don't tell me there's a better 18-year-old hockey player in the country, because there's not."

http://www.stillwatergazette.com/articl ... sghock.txt
i think after last night roseville D #8 Lee just proved you wrong she shut down HB and made her non-factor.if head to head chooses Ms Hockey Lee wins

hockeymannorth in the quote you copied from my earlier post, note that I was just quoting from the article I linked. I have no horse in the race as to which one wins Ms. Hockey...assuming one of these two does win it. They are each great players obviously and I'm just happy both of them will be wearing a Gophers uniform in the fall.

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:14 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.

Roseville has been a defense minded team all year only giving up 12 goals thats their strength

Bullgod · Post by **Bullgod** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:51 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.

Not to take away anything from Allen, but I think Brodt and the total team defense was the difference. 28 shots, but not too many quality scoring chances.

This was the first time seeing Roseville play, Does Flug, remind anyone else of Spehar? Great player, extremely fast and can finish. Seems to have a knack for getting behind the D just before her teammates get control of the puck. Just curious, if this was a one time strategy or if thats her normal game?

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:51 pm

Roseville in my mind was #1 all year they lost 2 games against top teams[minnetonka and so.st paul] with 3 of their best players gone Hill only beat so st paul 2 to 1 in one of their last games with all their players.Roseville has still only giving up 12 goals in 29 games how are they not # 1 at state

hckynut12 · Post by **hckynut12** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:27 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville in my mind was #1 all year they lost 2 games against top teams[minnetonka and so.st paul] with 3 of their best players gone Hill only beat so st paul 2 to 1 in one of their last games with all their players.Roseville has still only giving up 12 goals in 29 games how are they not # 1 at state

Hockeyman, just to set the record straight, Hill-Murray beat SSP 3 times this year 2-0, 10-2, and 3-2 and yes, both teams had all their players for all three games.

Also in games with "all players present" HM beat Edina 2-1 while Roseville tied Edina 2-2

I do agree that Roseville should have been #1 seed at state though

MinnGirlsHockey · Post by **MinnGirlsHockey** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:45 pm

MinnGirlsHockey wrote:
hockeywild7 wrote:Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.
Not much different, but this Strib Hub article says shots were 29-16:
http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=113956

Game stats aren't in the Hub yet.

Interesting, the Hub game stats show the shots being 30-20 for H-M (apparently saves were 29-16).

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville has been a defense minded team all year only giving up 12 goals thats their strength

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville in my mind was #1 all year they lost 2 games against top teams[minnetonka and so.st paul] with 3 of their best players gone Hill only beat so st paul 2 to 1 in one of their last games with all their players.Roseville has still only giving up 12 goals in 29 games how are they not # 1 at state

Not sure where you're getting this 12 figure from. According to the Hub stats and minnesota-scores.net, it was 23 goals over 28 games (21 goals over 25 regular season games and 2 goals over 3 section playoff games). Still VERY impressive...but 12 would be out of this world.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:15 am

MinnGirlsHockey wrote:
MinnGirlsHockey wrote:
hockeywild7 wrote:Hill-Murray did outshoot Roseville 28-12. The biggest difference in the game was goaltending. Brandt in my mind is clearly the best player in the state.
Not much different, but this Strib Hub article says shots were 29-16:
http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=113956

Game stats aren't in the Hub yet.
Interesting, the Hub game stats show the shots being 30-20 for H-M (apparently saves were 29-16).

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville has been a defense minded team all year only giving up 12 goals thats their strength

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville in my mind was #1 all year they lost 2 games against top teams[minnetonka and so.st paul] with 3 of their best players gone Hill only beat so st paul 2 to 1 in one of their last games with all their players.Roseville has still only giving up 12 goals in 29 games how are they not # 1 at state
Not sure where you're getting this 12 figure from. According to the Hub stats and minnesota-scores.net, it was 23 goals over 28 games (21 goals over 25 regular season games and 2 goals over 3 section playoff games). Still VERY impressive...but 12 would be out of this world.

I believe a SSP team from the late 90's/early 00's only allowed 10-15 goals all season and that probably is the all-time record. That's just crazy!

hockeyfan21 · Post by **hockeyfan21** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:31 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:Girls hockey: Brandt, Pioneers stop Stillwater in semifinals

"Don't tell me there's a better 18-year-old hockey player in the country, because there's not."

http://www.stillwatergazette.com/articl ... sghock.txt
i think after last night roseville D #8 Lee just proved you wrong she shut down HB and made her non-factor.if head to head chooses Ms Hockey Lee wins

Don't take this as disrespectful, but #8 didn't shut her down, Roseville played the center lock all night, even while killing. Brandt is a great player but HM didn't know how to get her away from the shadow.

#8 is head and shoulders the best blue liner in the state, but you are wrong about how they handled Brandt. Doesn't mean that's who should or shouldn't get Ms. Hockey .

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:01 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:Roseville in my mind was #1 all year they lost 2 games against top teams[minnetonka and so.st paul] with 3 of their best players gone Hill only beat so st paul 2 to 1 in one of their last games with all their players.Roseville has still only giving up 12 goals in 29 games how are they not # 1 at state

Roseville is a great team with a lot of talent. I think to explain the reason for not being ranked higher, you should check their schedule. They really didn't play too many top teams. The SEC isn't what it used to be, so I don't think you can add stw and wbl as top quality opponents, other than tonka,ssp and edina the other top games would be grg and mounds view twice.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:03 pm

Funny how that weak SEC has 2 teams in the state tournament, it can't be all that bad. I think the Lake which also has 2 teams in the state tournament is also pretty tough. I would put the SEC conference up against any in the state.

SouthSuburban · Post by **SouthSuburban** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:24 pm

(Longtime viewer, first time poster)

The South Suburban also has two teams in the tournament, but gets little respect in the forum.

The SSC had 4 teams in Section finals, two of which knocked off SEC teams -

Eagan over Hastings, Apple Valley (6 conference wins) over Park (9 conference wins)

There is no doubt that Roseville may be the cream of the crop, and the Lake is a spectacular conference of five very good teams, but it seems like the SSC is considered the fourth best conference in the minds of posters trailing the NWSC as well. LVN has a chance to play for the title, and should be a favorite again next year. LVS has been a top ten team most of the year and will be very good again. Eagan will be a top ten team again next year and boasts one of the best forwards in the state. Apple Valley is relevant again and will contend for the tournament.

Jefferson, Eastview and Burnsville are good clubs.

Thoughts on why the SSC gets buried, but is not only one of three conferences with two teams in the tourney, but one of three that has a team still playing for the title?

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:14 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:Funny how that weak SEC has 2 teams in the state tournament, it can't be all that bad. I think the Lake which also has 2 teams in the state tournament is also pretty tough. I would put the SEC conference up against any in the state.

I didn't say weak conference. I just don't think it is as loaded as it was four five years ago.

Maybe a better way to state it, I think there is greater separation between the top team, (Roseville) and the rest of the conference. In years past maybe there was more parity.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Well I am saying Roseville had a much tougher schedule than you say they had and I include Stillwater and White bear lake as 2 top level opponents. I think Roseville is proving that once again in the state tournament.