St. Paul Johnson

hockeyfan2011 · Post by **hockeyfan2011** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:12 pm

Last season Johnson was in Class A and know they are again in Class AA - Anybody know the reason for this?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:22 pm

I know this has been discussed, but there are 8 Class A schools bigger than them; my guess would be they opted up. I may be wrong though.

Night Train · Post by **Night Train** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:46 pm

The Johnson hockey team co-ops with Humboldt HS and the combined student population at the 2 schools makes them AA.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:32 pm

MN Hockey Hub lists them as 4A.

EDIT: Appears you are right. They drew WBL in the first round:

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/page/show/46 ... ason=66599

TOUGH break, but it would have been tough regardless coming out of that bracket. I will be at the game regardless.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:42 pm

Govie wrote:MN Hockey Hub lists them as 4A.

The Hub gets A LOT of things wrong.

But you're right, tough break for the Govies in the first round.

Best of luck to them in sections and in the future.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:51 pm

PuckU126 wrote:
Govie wrote:MN Hockey Hub lists them as 4A.
The Hub gets A LOT of things wrong.

But you're right, tough break for the Govies in the first round.

Best of luck to them in sections and in the future.

They're only 14-10-1 and Johnson is 13-11-1, although we all know WBL plays a tougher schedule, JHS did beat NSP and SSP and almost beat Mahtomedi and played some other really strong games.

My biggest concern is their 8th grade goalie. No way they can compete with an 8th grade goalie.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:55 pm

Govie wrote:My biggest concern is their 8th grade goalie. No way they can compete with an 8th grade goalie.

That is a tall order.

The Govies will need flawless defense and several lucky bounces in the offensive zone to win.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:08 pm

PuckU126 wrote:
Govie wrote:My biggest concern is their 8th grade goalie. No way they can compete with an 8th grade goalie.
That is a tall order.

The Govies will need flawless defense and several lucky bounces in the offensive zone to win.

They will need them to just flat out play bad, unless Dickman can put up a 4 spot or something and, like you said, they play flawless D. The goalie (poor little guy) will need to be spot on all night or his young nerves will get the best of him and it will get ugly.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:08 am

PuckU126 wrote:
Govie wrote:My biggest concern is their 8th grade goalie. No way they can compete with an 8th grade goalie.
That is a tall order.

The Govies will need flawless defense and several lucky bounces in the offensive zone to win.

Govies were a #8 seed and beat a #1 Seed (Tartan) a few years ago. White Bear is a # 2 seed....not a problem!

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:51 am

Pioneerprideguy wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Govie wrote:My biggest concern is their 8th grade goalie. No way they can compete with an 8th grade goalie.
That is a tall order.

The Govies will need flawless defense and several lucky bounces in the offensive zone to win.

Govies were a #8 seed and beat a #1 Seed (Tartan) a few years ago. White Bear is a # 2 seed....not a problem!

I remember that. I'm sure you would like that, Pioneerprideguy.

formerlybackofnet · Post by **formerlybackofnet** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:36 am

I'm a WBL grad, married to a Guppie, I think we are sitting on opposite sides of Aldrich on Sat. If WB should lose, I'll never hear the end of it.

East Side Pioneer Guy · Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:11 pm

formerlybackofnet wrote:I'm a WBL grad, married to a Guppie, I think we are sitting on opposite sides of Aldrich on Sat. If WB should lose, I'll never hear the end of it.

About ten years ago Hill played Stillwater in the quarterfinals. I had a nephew on Stillwater and one of my sisters said couldn't I just pull for Stillwater against Hill this one time? Not a chance. After all, I was at Hill before he was born.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:19 pm

All the Pioneers have ever done is steal Johnson talent. Happened with the Strobels in the early 90s otherwise that Governors team would have easily been the best in the state (and of course the nation) for a number of years. Plenty others have left the school though as well over the years.

And I am not trying to start crap (it was obviously their family's choice to go to a private) but just pointing out how many more teams/appearances/titles the school would have not for the Hill school.

East Side Pioneer Guy · Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:36 pm

Jeff Whistler changed the Strobel's diapers when he was in high school and dating their big sister, who was going to Hill at the time.

When a family sends kids to Hill for better than a decade, there is no way anyone can intimate they "should" have gone elsewhere.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:46 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:When a family sends kids to Hill for better than a decade, there is no way anyone can intimate they "should" have gone elsewhere.

Allow me re-phrase that:

When a family chooses to send one or more of their kids to a private school, or open enroll at another public school, there is no way anyone can intimate they "should" have gone elsewhere.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:36 pm

Govie wrote:
Pioneerprideguy wrote:
PuckU126 wrote: That is a tall order.

The Govies will need flawless defense and several lucky bounces in the offensive zone to win.

Govies were a #8 seed and beat a #1 Seed (Tartan) a few years ago. White Bear is a # 2 seed....not a problem!
I remember that. I'm sure you would like that, Pioneerprideguy.

I remember that game also. I was down by the locker room and Moose looked like he was about to pass out after the game. I told him he could breathe now and he let out a big smile.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:47 pm

pioneers wrote:Moose looked like he was about to pass out

He always looks like that.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:53 pm

Govie wrote:All the Pioneers have ever done is steal Johnson talent. Happened with the Strobels in the early 90s otherwise that Governors team would have easily been the best in the state (and of course the nation) for a number of years. Plenty others have left the school though as well over the years.

And I am not trying to start crap (it was obviously their family's choice to go to a private) but just pointing out how many more teams/appearances/titles the school would have not for the Hill school.

So it's Hill's fault for "stealing" but not Johnson's fault for "losing?"

GreekChurch · Post by **GreekChurch** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:58 pm

Every school in the East metro - and then some, can say the same thing. If only....

East Side Pioneer Guy · Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:03 pm

So it's Hill's fault for "stealing" but not Johnson's fault for "losing?"[/quote]

If you listen to some people, if it weren't for Hill 29 of the last 30 state championships would have been won by Stillwater, White Bear, Johnson and North Saint Paul.

Maybe the Lake Conference should send a thank you card.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:10 pm

GreekChurch wrote:Every school in the East metro - and then some, can say the same thing. If only....

I was going to say, Stillwater, Tartan, NSP and even WBL have lost players to Hill. I suppose the same could be for STA and Jefferson when they started losing their kids to AHA.

As far as "losing" our players to Hill, the middle- to lower-class has been leaving the East Side in droves because of an increasing minority presence. 15, 20 years ago they were still holding their ground but I guarantee you in two decades it will probably be non existent.

It was just reported in the PP that Johnson High is now 80% minority, which shocked the crap out of me because I was a late 90s grad and I thought it was more like 50/50.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:27 pm

Govie wrote:
GreekChurch wrote:Every school in the East metro - and then some, can say the same thing. If only....
I was going to say, Stillwater, Tartan, NSP and even WBL have lost players to Hill. I suppose the same could be for STA and Jefferson when they started losing their kids to AHA.

So to you it is the responsibility of the consumer to stick with a bad product when they can afford a better one and not the responsibility of the government to use OUR [roughly] $10,000/kid to make the product we are providing the public as good as it can be?

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:58 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:
Govie wrote:
GreekChurch wrote:Every school in the East metro - and then some, can say the same thing. If only....
I was going to say, Stillwater, Tartan, NSP and even WBL have lost players to Hill. I suppose the same could be for STA and Jefferson when they started losing their kids to AHA.
So to you it is the responsibility of the consumer to stick with a bad product when they can afford a better one and not the responsibility of the government to use OUR [roughly] $10,000/kid to make the product we are providing the public as good as it can be?

That was hardly my point.

You can get a good "product," as you put it, in public schools. People act like there aren't advanced classes in public/inner city schools but that's a load of horse manure. It's just a more ghetto minority element which people are choosing to flee from. It's de facto segregation is what it is.

I am moving away from the East Side as well most likely when I choose to have kids (I would never raise girls especially over here). Probably to Vadnais, Little Canada or NSP. But I would still like my son(s) to wear a Govie uniform some day, if the program is still around and there is a way to send them to a different district.

This is all hypothetical though at this moment.

And I want to be clear that there are a lot of good, honest, hard working people here still with good clean properties but it is eroding. It would be nice if the ES would just start gentrifying and reversing the trend.

Gov78 · Post by **Gov78** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:04 pm

Hockey players from the east side went to HM (and Hill before that) well before they were allowed to compete in the MSHSL. Sure, we resented it just as much or maybe more back then but once they started open enrollment not sure there's much of an argument anymore.

Used to watch the Catholic school state tournament with my Dad, that was some good hockey.

dueling21 · Post by **dueling21** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:36 pm

PuckU126 wrote:
Govie wrote:MN Hockey Hub lists them as 4A.
The Hub gets A LOT of things wrong.

But you're right, tough break for the Govies in the first round.

Best of luck to them in sections and in the future.

I'm seeing them in 4AA on the Hub?!?