Were the Class AA pairings randomly drawn?

rudy · Post by **rudy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:32 am

Let the voting begin.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:35 am

Is it suspicious? Sure. But remember theres a 25% chance that East would draw Lakeville South. I believe East draws first. If East drew according to game time, there would have been a 50% chance of East drawing Lakeville South.

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:46 am

Lakeville South should just be happy they're in the tournament. There are plenty of teams not in the tournament that would smoke them. Yeah they've had a tough draw the last couple years but I feel no sympathy for them.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:08 pm

EHSHack wrote: If East drew according to game time, there would have been a 50% chance of East drawing Lakeville South.

Doesn't matter. It would still be 25%, because the two teams that drew first each still could have gotten South.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:09 pm

Roseauverrated wrote:Lakeville South should just be happy they're in the tournament. There are plenty of teams not in the tournament that would smoke them. Yeah they've had a tough draw the last couple years but I feel no sympathy for them.

They weren't in it the last couple of years.

Roseauverrated · Post by **Roseauverrated** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:22 pm

MHGr8ness wrote:
Roseauverrated wrote:Lakeville South should just be happy they're in the tournament. There are plenty of teams not in the tournament that would smoke them. Yeah they've had a tough draw the last couple years but I feel no sympathy for them.
They weren't in it the last couple of years.

You're right, my mistake. I should have said I feel no sympathy for the 1AA representative in general over the last few years.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:41 pm

MHGr8ness wrote:
EHSHack wrote: If East drew according to game time, there would have been a 50% chance of East drawing Lakeville South.
Doesn't matter. It would still be 25%, because the two teams that drew first each still could have gotten South.

No, because in explaining this years seeding, if they went by game time, the only two teams left when East picked would have been LS and HM (I forget) therefore 50%.

Doc Holliday · Post by **Doc Holliday** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:51 pm

It's still 25%, regardless of if it's done by game time.

The first game, LS would have a 75% of NOT being selected. If not selected, the 2nd game, LS would at that point have a 66.7% chance of NOT being selected. .75 x .667 still results in .50, or more simply realized, 2 out of 4 teams are selected, so they'd have a 50% chance of being in the upper bracked as well as a 50% chance of NOT being in the upper bracket. At that point, there's a 50% chance of NOT being selected in the 6PM game for LS. You still have to take into that account the 50% chance of not being selected, so .5 x .5 is 25%.

I'm actually now going to stop caring. I'm guessing that MSHSL listened to what most people were saying and that 1 should draw 8. After Edina lost to Grand Rapids in '07 & Moorhead in '09 when they were definitely NOT the "8th" seed, they probably said just seed it 1 through 8. I'm now cool with it, and actually excited for the late game on Thursday night & all the speed that will be on that ice along with what should be a fantastic Friday night if the first three Thursday games go chalk.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:14 pm

Roseauverrated wrote:Lakeville South should just be happy they're in the tournament. There are plenty of teams not in the tournament that would smoke them. Yeah they've had a tough draw the last couple years but I feel no sympathy for them.

Thats funny. True though.

green4 · Post by **green4** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:20 pm

it's clearly not random... DE gets the 8 seed and Edina vs BSM is exactly what everyone wanted. I have no problem with edina playing benilde should be a great game but what exactly caused Eagan to jump from 4 to 3?? was it the 10-1 game over Hastings? i don't get it

Rich Clarke · Post by **Rich Clarke** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:32 pm

The one thing that I question is that if they were seeding 1-8, Hill Murray would certainly have been seeded higher than Moorhead by virtue of a similar record and a 6-1 win over the Spuds at the end of the year. It seems like they are matching up 1 vs. 8 and 4 vs. 5, but switching the 6th and 7th seeds to maintain the appearance of a random draw. Last year it was the same, with second seed Edina getting Blaine, who would have been six, and East getting White Bear, the obvious 7th. No. 4 Eagan got Moorhead, the highest ranked of the unseeded teams.

But I think we all agree. End the duplicity and admit what you're doing. I liked it a lot better when the sections were rotated and you knew in November what section champ your section was facing even though the current format makes the path for the higher seeds easier. Then again, if that was the key, they should go further and start the seeding the top sixty four so that we don't lose top teams to better teams in sectional play. I admit that would never work, however.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:41 pm

The odds the #1 team draws the #8 team five times in a row is 864 to 1. They need to just stop with the random draw bit, it's not random.

SPUDNUT · Post by **SPUDNUT** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:15 pm

They just make up their own rules as they go along - MSHSL / NCAA, whats the difference ?

Where's Slapshooter when you need him ?

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:29 pm

In defense of south, they got beat by 4 in their first game by edina. They played a top 15 schedule and never lost by more than two. Not so sure there are "a lot" of teams out there that would smoke them.

rudy · Post by **rudy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:44 pm

Guess: 1st 4 get seeded and No. 1 picks who it wants, etc etc. That leaves edina with bsm cuz bsm is looking dangerous right now. That can also explain why spuds and hm landed where they did.

almostashappy · Post by **almostashappy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:04 pm

rudy wrote:Guess: 1st 4 get seeded and No. 1 picks who it wants, etc etc. That leaves edina with bsm cuz bsm is looking dangerous right now. That can also explain why spuds and hm landed where they did.

MG would rather play H-M than Moorhead?

rudy · Post by **rudy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:07 pm

Hm barely beat roseville.

DubCHAGuy · Post by **DubCHAGuy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:17 pm

rudy wrote:Hm barely beat roseville.

And Moorhead has a goalie that can steal any game

almostashappy · Post by **almostashappy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:23 pm

DubCHAGuy wrote:
rudy wrote:Hm barely beat roseville.
And Moorhead has a goalie that can steal any game

Fair enough. Just didn't think that Spuds were any more dominant over Brainerd, and H-M did beat them 6-1 end of season, right?

longdistancespectator8 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:54 pm

2good4u wrote:can't wait to watch those tools from lakeville get their ***** handed to them, hope east puts up twenty on them

Good input, I am glad you are a part of this forum.

East Side Pioneer Guy · Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:57 pm

DubCHAGuy wrote:
rudy wrote:Hm barely beat roseville.
And Moorhead has a goalie that can steal any game

And how many goals did Hill score on him?

East Side Pioneer Guy · Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:00 pm

I just wish channel 45 would put the drawing on it's website. Or MSHSL could put it on You Tube.

Then the conspiracy theories would mostly end.

GordonBombay99 · Post by **GordonBombay99** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:48 pm

Anyone who looks at the first ound games should get the thought that it is not a random drawing, it sure looks like it was a full 8 team ranking.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:50 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:I just wish channel 45 would put the drawing on it's website. Or MSHSL could put it on You Tube.

Then the conspiracy theories would mostly end.

Channel 45 blew the wrestling finals tonight, it rarely worked. I hope they get it fixed before the hockey tournament as this was an embarrassment for the MSHSL and Channel 45.

Mnhockey83 · Post by **Mnhockey83** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Roseauverrated- Why do you always feel its necessary for you to bash 1AA? Yeah everyone understands that this section has been weak the past couple years. But, it's not the kids fault there section is bad. Are they just supposed to give up and just tell another section they can go to the tournament? There trying there best and there nothing they can do about it.

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