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I still agree with my statement.Nostalgic Nerd wrote:It's the decider in a difficult vote.PuckU126 wrote:I'd give him Mr. Hockey just because his name is badass.larsengeno27 wrote:Miles Death for Mr. Hockey???
He had like 1 goal and 6 assists for the whole year
He is a solid d, but not a Mr. Hockey Candidate
Even if he doesn't catch Cisar, and even if they can't get past Lakeville North, if he continues on his current pace it seems like a no-brainer. He's putting up these numbers when every single game the opponents game plan is "stop 15". No teams have the luxury of that tactic against DE. Randolph and Toninato are great players, but they don't, individually, receive near the attention Kloos does from opponents. Just one man's opinion.longdistancespectator8 wrote:He has a legitimate shot of catching Cisar for points and leading the entire state in scoring. Its hard to believe that a AA player that leads the state in scoring regardless of class doesn't win Mr. Hockey
Very cool that he's been recognized by FSN as the Player of the Year. I still think Kloos wins Mr. Hockey, but Randolph is one heck of a player.EHSHack wrote:Randolph wins Fox Sports North's "Player of the Year"
http://blackwoodssports.com/?p=2845
How many conference games did Jake play in? How many home games did Justin play in? How many games did LS travel to play 100 plus miles? How many weeks did Lakeville have to stand up to the challenge of being the team everyone was gunning for every week?RickyTicky wrote:ticktacktonka wrote:I think with the Pioneer award going to Randolph, the race will clearly be between Kloos and Randolph. Probably a good year to go with the Northern kid on a powerhouse team.
Not a chance.. Kloos has almost 30 more points than Randolph and has almost single handedly brought LS to the state tournament. Jake's a great player and deserved to be recognized by the press and FSN but the big award will go to Kloos
keepyourheadup wrote:How many times was Jake the sole focus of the other team.
I think what he was referring to is that when you the opposing team stepped onto the ice there goal was to stop Duluth's first line. That is, they were game planning around 3 different players on that line, along with the remaining rest of the team. Whereas, when you played Lakeville the game plan is we stop kloos we win.DuluthMMA wrote:keepyourheadup wrote:How many times was Jake the sole focus of the other team.
Funny you think nobody knows about Randolph or the entire first line, nor do you understand East has been the top dog 90% of the season , never falling below second place, nor do you realize East played a much tougher schedule than LS, in games that were not sub 100 teams that they blew out....
RickyTicky wrote:How many conference games did Jake play in? How many home games did Justin play in? How many games did LS travel to play 100 plus miles? How many weeks did Lakeville have to stand up to the challenge of being the team everyone was gunning for every week?
Hoping this " point discussion " deal doesn't turn into another Josh Cisar rant.... Either way, the point is, LS played alot of teams that they blew out during the regular season, and in playoffs, in arguably the weakest section in AA... Hell , he may be 27 points ahead of Randolph, but didnt 15 of those come in their cake walk sections?If Mr. Hockey was a team award than you make a valid point but its not. The fact is Kloos has 27 more points against similar competition, not as tough has DE but still tough, and has carried his team all year. Teams make games plans to stop Kloos because if you stop him you pretty much stop LS, not the case with DE. Jake had a great year, don't get me wrong, but Justin has had back to back 90+ point seasons, will be one of very few AA players to ever score 100 points and lead the state in scoring.. It would be pure criminal if he didn't win
Please list the "sub 100 teams" LS blew out (excluding playoffs, I'll grant you that) vs. the "sub 100 teams" DE blew out in the regular season? How many "sub 100 teams" did DE play and blow out? I think you'll find it's a pretty similar number during the regular season.DuluthMMA wrote:keepyourheadup wrote:How many times was Jake the sole focus of the other team.
Funny you think nobody knows about Randolph or the entire first line, nor do you understand East has been the top dog 90% of the season , never falling below second place, nor do you realize East played a much tougher schedule than LS, in games that were not sub 100 teams that they blew out....
Amen.keepyourheadup wrote:Truth is I know all those things about East, in my opinion the best team in the state. Do you realize that many observers feel their best player only played maybe a quarter of the year. I think Jake is a great player but he also plays in an environment where he isn't called upon to be the THE main cog. If Jake was hurt and Trevor stayed healthy do you think their record would be much different? If Kloos was hurt most of the year does South win 20 games?
While you assume that South played the little sisters of the poor, if you check page stat you'll see that it was a top 15 schedule. Granted Justin lit up the sections, he never exceeded 5 points against any one team during the regular season. Counting the MSHEL he has now been on the score sheet in 56 straight games. His accomplishments shouldn't be ridiculed based on racking up easy points against lousy teams, he has been productive no matter the competition. Would he have been better off had he bailed out and transferred to a big name program?
Regardless who wins can't we agree that they are both great players who thrived in different circumstances.