Select 15 invites

[puckhead17]

Coaches every year, Fl does get treated fairly/ invites to tryouts, Don't know if he picks it himself or not. D2 cannot be approached about anything. Alot of the membership still wants to know how they lost $100,000

Franklin and Skoog both made the District 2 15 Team's so I am not sure why Old Goalie is posting this nonsense.

[MrBoDangles]

My kid made it to St. Cloud 102's last summer and he was a bantam b1. I believe there was only 2 b1's there. Rest were Bantam A's or high school players. He didn't make the new York team, but had a fun week, and had great coaching. And I thought the selection process for the new York team was pretty fair. I forgot to mention, we are from a small town that had no A team. If your kid is good enough, he will get noticed.

I'ts like hearing the Miracle On Ice story all over again. They don't allow B-1's in Muck's district.

I take it your son was a VERY high scoring forward..? Think about how hard it is for a defensemen or goalie to get credit when playing against B-1 competition.

Congrats to your kid for doing the nearly impossible.

[puckhead58]

My kid made it to St. Cloud 102's last summer and he was a bantam b1. I believe there was only 2 b1's there. Rest were Bantam A's or high school players. He didn't make the new York team, but had a fun week, and had great coaching. And I thought the selection process for the new York team was pretty fair. I forgot to mention, we are from a small town that had no A team. If your kid is good enough, he will get noticed.

I'ts like hearing the Miracle On Ice story all over again. They don't allow B-1's in Muck's district.

I take it your son was a VERY high scoring forward..? Think about how hard it is for a defensemen or goalie to get credit when playing against B-1 competition.

Congrats to your kid for doing the nearly impossible.

Especially a B1 goalie. Most coaches freely admit they know very little about goalies much less how to evaluate them and there is limited time to evaluate them at the district tryout, so IF they get invited (after all, how good can they be if they are on a B1 team...insert sarcasm here...)....evaluators pretty much have to rely on the resume (ie., he played varsity or for a certain team.). Very much a crap shoot for goalies and highly susceptible to politics at the district level anyway. The same is probably true for bubble defensemen.[/u][/b]

[rockcrusher]

Nope, he was a defenseman. Coaches figured he was in the top half of the D. But not in the top 7 to go to New York. He wasn't too bummed out. Most of the D that went on played high school or were from Shattuck. Lots of great players at the 102's.

[HOCKEYDRIVER]

So should they keep it the way it is? or should they find a better way?
And what are some different things that should change.

[MrBoDangles]

Nope, he was a defenseman. Coaches figured he was in the top half of the D. But not in the top 7 to go to New York. He wasn't too bummed out. Most of the D that went on played high school or were from Shattuck. Lots of great players at the 102's.

You wouldn't mind then if your son played in a district that didn't allow B-1 players to try out?

You don't need to answer.

[rockcrusher]

I guess my kid was the rare occurrence where a B1 was better that quite a few A players from around the state. It is unfortunate that kids in the cities will never get the chance to prove that. 16's next year is a whole new opportunity.

[muckandgrind]

I guess my kid was the rare occurrence where a B1 was better that quite a few A players from around the state. It is unfortunate that kids in the cities will never get the chance to prove that. 16's next year is a whole new opportunity.

Does your association have an "A" team? If not, and based on how well your son performed, then I think he is probably an "A" level player playing in an association without an "A" Bantam team.

The Districts that operate in the Metro-area generally have plenty of "A" Bantam teams, so players such as your son have an opportunity to play at that level. The Districts outside the Metro will many times not have a plethora of "A" Bantam teams, so they will draw from the B1 teams to fill up a District 15 team.

It might not seem "fair" to some, but you just can't invite every 15-eligible player to a tryout. How can you take a B1 player from a larger association without extending an invite to every single A player from their association? It's just not feasible.

[MrBoDangles]

I guess my kid was the rare occurrence where a B1 was better that quite a few A players from around the state. It is unfortunate that kids in the cities will never get the chance to prove that. 16's next year is a whole new opportunity.

Does your association have an "A" team? If not, and based on how well your son performed, then I think he is probably an "A" level player playing in an association without an "A" Bantam team.

The Districts that operate in the Metro-area generally have plenty of "A" Bantam teams, so players such as your son have an opportunity to play at that level. The Districts outside the Metro will many times not have a plethora of "A" Bantam teams, so they will draw from the B1 teams to fill up a District 15 team.

It might not seem "fair" to some, but you just can't invite every 15-eligible player to a tryout. How can you take a B1 player from a larger association without extending an invite to every single A player from their association? It's just not feasible.

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.


Your options for a talented kid in a small association are to-
Move
Waive out
Change schools

Have you been, or are you currently on the District 10 board?

[observer]

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.

You give no reason, why not?

Some towns are over 50 miles away from the closest neighboring town offering hockey and they might not offer an A level team either. That's a big commitment if it even is possible. Nothing wrong with playing with your friends you've played every year since Mites. Some kids develop more than others and there are often 1-2-3 "A" level players on these B teams. It's nice that they get a chance in the Select process as they are A level players just stuck in a small town and not wanting to drive 100 miles 5 times a week to be separated from friends and in a situation not nearly as comfortable. Plus, some people could care less about this process. They have a kid, he plays hockey in his community and plans to play high school hockey for his town and, let’s say, is focused on his schoolwork. Why get crazy over it. Play with your small town friends, have fun, graduate from HS and go to college.

[greybeard58]

The player could also try out and play JV then the H.S. coach can recommend or stay with his class mates and wait for the 16's.

[MrBoDangles]

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.

You give no reason, why not?

Some towns are over 50 miles away from the closest neighboring town offering hockey and they might not offer an A level team either. That's a big commitment if it even is possible. Nothing wrong with playing with your friends you've played every year since Mites. Some kids develop more than others and there are often 1-2-3 "A" level players on these B teams. It's nice that they get a chance in the Select process as they are A level players just stuck in a small town and not wanting to drive 100 miles 5 times a week to be separated from friends and in a situation not nearly as comfortable. Plus, some people could care less about this process. They have a kid, he plays hockey in his community and plans to play high school hockey for his town and, let’s say, is focused on his schoolwork. Why get crazy over it. Play with your small town friends, have fun, graduate from HS and go to college.

You're lost in translation.

[MrBoDangles]

The player could also try out and play JV then the H.S. coach can recommend or stay with his class mates and wait for the 16's.

Some of the talented HP15's(I watched the video) look like they barely crack a hundred pounds. All should be able to compete for positions with kids their own age. And the same should be true for the small association kids.

Russian Roulette to get noticed?

[muckandgrind]

I guess my kid was the rare occurrence where a B1 was better that quite a few A players from around the state. It is unfortunate that kids in the cities will never get the chance to prove that. 16's next year is a whole new opportunity.

Does your association have an "A" team? If not, and based on how well your son performed, then I think he is probably an "A" level player playing in an association without an "A" Bantam team.

The Districts that operate in the Metro-area generally have plenty of "A" Bantam teams, so players such as your son have an opportunity to play at that level. The Districts outside the Metro will many times not have a plethora of "A" Bantam teams, so they will draw from the B1 teams to fill up a District 15 team.

It might not seem "fair" to some, but you just can't invite every 15-eligible player to a tryout. How can you take a B1 player from a larger association without extending an invite to every single A player from their association? It's just not feasible.

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.


Your options for a talented kid in a small association are to-
Move
Waive out
Change schools

Have you been, or are you currently on the District 10 board?

You need to set a limit somehwere...Where would you set the limit?

In D10, there are 13 "A" Bantam teams and 13 B1 Bantam teams. If you opened the process up to B1 players, then you need to invite ALL of the "A" players ahead of them, right? Because, theoretically, the players on the "A" team went through a tryout process that presumably ranked them higher than the B1 players, correct? So, that being the case, they should have the first crack at the opportunity to tryout for the 15 team.

So, if you have to invite all members of the "A" teams, that means you will have (to start with) the potential of having over 200 players trying out before you can open it up to the B1 players....doesn't sound feasible, does it?

District 10 restricted the invites to only "A" Bantam players, because that's what makes the most sense. It's not perfect, but neither is life.

And, no, I'm not on the District 10 board.....

As far as reasons to stick with your home associations: there are PLENTY. The biggest is that the Advanced 15 process is not the "be all, end all" of youth hockey. That B1 player will have an opportunity the next season to tryout for the Advanced 16 team if his coach thinks he's worthy.

[MrBoDangles]

Does your association have an "A" team? If not, and based on how well your son performed, then I think he is probably an "A" level player playing in an association without an "A" Bantam team.

The Districts that operate in the Metro-area generally have plenty of "A" Bantam teams, so players such as your son have an opportunity to play at that level. The Districts outside the Metro will many times not have a plethora of "A" Bantam teams, so they will draw from the B1 teams to fill up a District 15 team.

It might not seem "fair" to some, but you just can't invite every 15-eligible player to a tryout. How can you take a B1 player from a larger association without extending an invite to every single A player from their association? It's just not feasible.

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.


Your options for a talented kid in a small association are to-
Move
Waive out
Change schools

Have you been, or are you currently on the District 10 board?

You need to set a limit somehwere...Where would you set the limit?

In D10, there are 13 "A" Bantam teams and 13 B1 Bantam teams. If you opened the process up to B1 players, then you need to invite ALL of the "A" players ahead of them, right? Because, theoretically, the players on the "A" team went through a tryout process that presumably ranked them higher than the B1 players, correct? So, that being the case, they should have the first crack at the opportunity to tryout for the 15 team.

So, if you have to invite all members of the "A" teams, that means you will have (to start with) the potential of having over 200 players trying out before you can open it up to the B1 players....doesn't sound feasible, does it?

District 10 restricted the invites to only "A" Bantam players, because that's what makes the most sense. It's not perfect, but neither is life. WOW!

And, no, I'm not on the District 10 board.....

As far as reasons to stick with your home associations: there are PLENTY. The biggest is that the Advanced 15 process is not the "be all, end all" of youth hockey. That B1 player will have an opportunity the next season to tryout for the Advanced 16 team if his coach thinks he's worthy.

You're circling around the obvious...... All I've been talking about is small associations that only offer B-1. Like Observer said..... The B-1 teams that have some A caliber players should obviously not be swept under the rug.

[muckandgrind]

You give no reason for a talented B-1 player to stick with their home association.


Your options for a talented kid in a small association are to-
Move
Waive out
Change schools

Have you been, or are you currently on the District 10 board?

You need to set a limit somehwere...Where would you set the limit?

In D10, there are 13 "A" Bantam teams and 13 B1 Bantam teams. If you opened the process up to B1 players, then you need to invite ALL of the "A" players ahead of them, right? Because, theoretically, the players on the "A" team went through a tryout process that presumably ranked them higher than the B1 players, correct? So, that being the case, they should have the first crack at the opportunity to tryout for the 15 team.

So, if you have to invite all members of the "A" teams, that means you will have (to start with) the potential of having over 200 players trying out before you can open it up to the B1 players....doesn't sound feasible, does it?

District 10 restricted the invites to only "A" Bantam players, because that's what makes the most sense. It's not perfect, but neither is life. WOW!

And, no, I'm not on the District 10 board.....

As far as reasons to stick with your home associations: there are PLENTY. The biggest is that the Advanced 15 process is not the "be all, end all" of youth hockey. That B1 player will have an opportunity the next season to tryout for the Advanced 16 team if his coach thinks he's worthy.

You're circling around the obvious...... All I've been talking about is small associations that only offer B-1. Like Observer said..... The B-1 teams that have some A caliber players should obviously not be swept under the rug.

That's not a District issue, it's an issue you need to bring up with your Association. If it's that important to you that your kid have an opportunity to tryout for Advanced 15's , then make sure you team plays at the "A" level. It's really that simple.

In District 10, there are plenty of capable players that are playing on "A" teams to choose from. How do you determine that a B1 player is more deserving than any of them without opening up the tryout process to EVERY player on EVERY "A" team? You certainly can't look at stats, because they are playing against different levels of competition. A player that stands out at the B1 level might be a 3rd liner on an "A" team. That's not always the case, but since there are more than enough "A" players to choose from, you would open up a whole can of worms by inviting B1 players when there were "A" players who were not invited.

Why is this such a big deal to you, anyways? If your player is that good, he will get his opportunity next year with the 16's!! This is a great opportunity to give the ol' "Life isn't fair" speech. Either that, or run for a District Board position and change the process from within.

[MrBoDangles]

You need to set a limit somehwere...Where would you set the limit?

In D10, there are 13 "A" Bantam teams and 13 B1 Bantam teams. If you opened the process up to B1 players, then you need to invite ALL of the "A" players ahead of them, right? Because, theoretically, the players on the "A" team went through a tryout process that presumably ranked them higher than the B1 players, correct? So, that being the case, they should have the first crack at the opportunity to tryout for the 15 team.

So, if you have to invite all members of the "A" teams, that means you will have (to start with) the potential of having over 200 players trying out before you can open it up to the B1 players....doesn't sound feasible, does it?

District 10 restricted the invites to only "A" Bantam players, because that's what makes the most sense. It's not perfect, but neither is life. WOW!

And, no, I'm not on the District 10 board.....

As far as reasons to stick with your home associations: there are PLENTY. The biggest is that the Advanced 15 process is not the "be all, end all" of youth hockey. That B1 player will have an opportunity the next season to tryout for the Advanced 16 team if his coach thinks he's worthy.

You're circling around the obvious...... All I've been talking about is small associations that only offer B-1. Like Observer said..... The B-1 teams that have some A caliber players should obviously not be swept under the rug.

That's not a District issue, it's an issue you need to bring up with your Association. If it's that important to you that your kid have an opportunity to tryout for Advanced 15's , then make sure you team plays at the "A" level. It's really that simple.

In District 10, there are plenty of capable players that are playing on "A" teams to choose from. How do you determine that a B1 player is more deserving than any of them without opening up the tryout process to EVERY player on EVERY "A" team? You certainly can't look at stats, because they are playing against different levels of competition. A player that stands out at the B1 level might be a 3rd liner on an "A" team. That's not always the case, but since there are more than enough "A" players to choose from, you would open up a whole can of worms by inviting B1 players when there were "A" players who were not invited.

Why is this such a big deal to you, anyways? If your player is that good, he will get his opportunity next year with the 16's!! This is a great opportunity to give the ol' "Life isn't fair" speech. Either that, or run for a District Board position and change the process from within.

Drag 12 kids though an A season because 4 are really talented.....? There's a lot of that going on in District 10 and the records aren't pretty.

[rockcrusher]

Muck you're right, no A team in our town. Nearest is 60 miles away. Why would I move? Or make my kid change schools? No house payment, make @200K, class sizes are small, good teachers. Can snowmobile and four wheeler out my back door, be fishing and hunting in 5 minutes. Bike trails, ski trails, and a very nice arena and association to play for. No McDonalds or stoplights, I can live without those.

[MrBoDangles]

Muck you're right, no A team in our town. Nearest is 60 miles away. Why would I move? Or make my kid change schools? No house payment, make @200K, class sizes are small, good teachers. Can snowmobile and four wheeler out my back door, be fishing and hunting in 5 minutes. Bike trails, ski trails, and a very nice arena and association to play for. No McDonalds or stoplights, I can live without those.

Because............. in your district a B-1 kid is allowed to make HP15's. Live it up bud!!!

[muckandgrind]

Muck you're right, no A team in our town. Nearest is 60 miles away. Why would I move? Or make my kid change schools? No house payment, make @200K, class sizes are small, good teachers. Can snowmobile and four wheeler out my back door, be fishing and hunting in 5 minutes. Bike trails, ski trails, and a very nice arena and association to play for. No McDonalds or stoplights, I can live without those.

Because............. in your district a B-1 kid is allowed to make HP15's. Live it up bud!!!

That's because they don't have as large of a pool of age-eligible players who are playing at the "A" level as there are in the larger Districts.

[MrBoDangles]

Muck you're right, no A team in our town. Nearest is 60 miles away. Why would I move? Or make my kid change schools? No house payment, make @200K, class sizes are small, good teachers. Can snowmobile and four wheeler out my back door, be fishing and hunting in 5 minutes. Bike trails, ski trails, and a very nice arena and association to play for. No McDonalds or stoplights, I can live without those.

Because............. in your district a B-1 kid is allowed to make HP15's. Live it up bud!!!

That's because they don't have as large of a pool of age-eligible players who are playing at the "A" level as there are in the larger Districts.

Ouch, really! So you're saying that if they had a larger pool it would make sense for this kid (that made the 102's) to not be looked at? Would they "have to play A"?

Wowser!

[muckandgrind]

Because............. in your district a B-1 kid is allowed to make HP15's. Live it up bud!!!

That's because they don't have as large of a pool of age-eligible players who are playing at the "A" level as there are in the larger Districts.

Ouch, really! So you're saying that if they had a larger pool it would make sense for this kid (that made the 102's) to not be looked at? Would they "have to play A"?

Wowser!

That's exactly what I'm saying...and you know what? He would get his shot the very next year!!! Imagine that!

[MrBoDangles]

That's because they don't have as large of a pool of age-eligible players who are playing at the "A" level as there are in the larger Districts.

Ouch, really! So you're saying that if they had a larger pool it would make sense for this kid (that made the 102's) to not be looked at? Would they "have to play A"?

Wowser!

That's exactly what I'm saying...and you know what? He would get his shot the very next year!!! Imagine that!

Well, we agree there's a major problem then.

[muckandgrind]

Ouch, really! So you're saying that if they had a larger pool it would make sense for this kid (that made the 102's) to not be looked at? Would they "have to play A"?

Wowser!

That's exactly what I'm saying...and you know what? He would get his shot the very next year!!! Imagine that!

Well, we agree there's a major problem then.

I don't agree that it's a "major" problem, because the kid will get his shot the very next year if he's worthy. I've always said that the process isn't "perfect". What I mean by that is there are scenarios where a worthy player gets missed. But as the old saying goes: "You can't let perfect be the enemy of good."

District 10's process is a "good" one and works for 99% of the players involved. Try as you might, you'll never come up with a process that is good for everyone involved....kids or not.

[F14]

40 players and 7 goalies tried out for D3 team in 2010 and most years.
One player/parent story from 2010:

My son grew up in Cooper program which merged in 07 witch Armstrong. Just had B1 as highest level through Pee Wee.

We open enrolled him at SLP but he made Bantam A at AC as young Aug 95.

Varsity coach at SLP calls three time in fall and asks to tryout for varsity.
 e times (had seen him for 3 previous summers at their camp and I went with relatives to SLP.

He trysout and coaches like him and plays 3 varsity and 12 JV games. He/we wanted him to get to know kids at his new school and decide even at JV he will go plus we violated Armstrong hs varsity tryouts not allowed rule. Different rule than SLP had as SLP coach said he would only ask him to come if he would contribute at varsity as 9th. Yes he left Bantam A team after parent told BA coach. They told entire BA team that he was off the team and then had a vote two days later and kids voted he could come back. He really just wanted to cut the cord by now and didn't want to go back as the clearly were mad at me about not informing about SLP coach actively inviting and telling us just to come out as there are no rules preventing tryouts.

Nominated to tryout for District 3 by hs coach. We list that he is SLP JV player and he is one of 2 goalies and does ok and picked for St. Cloud even though other good Bantam A goalies didn't go.

Goes to A15 tourney at New Hope and their were 3 bantam A coaches inc from Wayzata and OMG.

At St. Cloud he and Hunter Miska were roommates and teammates for whole week and team goes 5-1 and wins title(also had Gross and Labosky (who I felt was MVP of tourney ahead of Fssching, Sheehy, etc.)


First of all Hunter was most athletic goalie and for only playing for two seasons really deserved to go to NY from North Branch.
Second, I thought it was a VERY fair selection process to NY.

Third it is the absolute best week of classes, having a current D1 player be advisor and drills , off-ice and living in dorms with all 102 players.

Dylan Parker and John Dugas were alternates as Ryan Daniels was second NY goalie. Mr. Miska and us thought our son would go but great experience.

So many Wayzata and OMG Bantam A's tried out for District team and several went to St. Cloud. Deservedly so.