Grant Besse

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:09 pm

Excuse me if I missed it, but was anyone able to officially confirm that his three shorthanded goals established a new tournament record?

P.S. I know Louie said on the air that he couldn't recall anyone ever doing it before.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:34 pm

Tenoverpar wrote:how can anyone rip a kid that just put up a 5 spot in the State Championship game. If this was last year and it was RAU you idiots would have made a bronze statue of his stick...if this was the all loving Jake Randolph there would be a change from Canal Park to Randolph Park...I mean, come on people...yes, the kid is at a private school, yes his school happens to bring in some pretty good players....but honestly for some of you to say anything negative about a kid who just did what Besse did is ridiculously pathetic.

Congrats Grant on your team winning the State Championship

They should go old school and do private school state tourney and then all other teams (public, both small and large) school tourney like they did a long time ago.

Problem solved.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:52 pm

Even a thread about one special player regresses...

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:05 pm

mulefarm wrote:
Tenoverpar wrote:how can anyone rip a kid that just put up a 5 spot in the State Championship game. If this was last year and it was RAU you idiots would have made a bronze statue of his stick...if this was the all loving Jake Randolph there would be a change from Canal Park to Randolph Park...I mean, come on people...yes, the kid is at a private school, yes his school happens to bring in some pretty good players....but honestly for some of you to say anything negative about a kid who just did what Besse did is ridiculously pathetic.

Congrats Grant on your team winning the State Championship
Right on! If Besse was going to the U, people would be wetting their pants over his performance. How can people not appreciate an unbelieveable game, something they probably will never see again!

Agreed with all that was said above. Would be nice to have him back playing HS hockey next yr. Hopefully he follows what Rau and Kloos did and realizes at the end of the day, you can never have that year back and with his talent he will do just fine at Wisconsin without the USHL.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:39 pm

I read in the Pioneer just a bit ago that Kloos did play 12 games in the USHL following his team after their last season and came back because he wanted to finish his prep career with his best friends and at his home school. Looks like it finished pretty damn good and he wracked up some SERIOUS numbers.

hockeyrocks · Post by **hockeyrocks** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:50 pm

Totally agree even though he plays for the Dark Knights

! It would be a shame to see him skip his senior year to go get mugged, thumped and banged around in the USHL. He has his full ride and I'm pretty sure the Badgers will welcome him as a true Freshman regardless of where he plays next year.

Great job Mr. Besse and I hope to see you back in Red next year!

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:07 pm

hockeyrocks wrote:Totally agree even though he plays for the Dark Knights ! It would be a shame to see him skip his senior year to go get mugged, thumped and banged around in the USHL. He has his full ride and I'm pretty sure the Badgers will welcome him as a true Freshman regardless of where he plays next year.

Great job Mr. Besse and I hope to see you back in Red next year!

Whether Besse stays or goes, you should take some time and go to some USHL games before commenting on their style of play.

xy · Post by xy » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:10 pm

This is where it gets hard and I don't envy kids having to make these decisions, because there's a good argument that purely from a hockey standpoint, apart from the (more important) questions about what's best for him as a kid and a person, he'd be better served leaving high school next year. The kid is a phenomenal talent, but obviously some people have questions about certain aspects of his game (he's draft-eligible and wasn't listed on the NHL central scouting midterm list), and it's probable that playing more games against better, older players would help him answer some of those questions. Quite frankly, he'd be toying with a lot of kids he'd play against in high school next year, and some of those games wouldn't really do much to help him get ready for the next level.

Again, I'm not doubting his talent - what he did last weekend I really can't quite believe - just saying that he's got a tough decision to make.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:44 pm

hockeyrocks wrote:Totally agree even though he plays for the Dark Knights ! It would be a shame to see him skip his senior year to go get mugged, thumped and banged around in the USHL. He has his full ride and I'm pretty sure the Badgers will welcome him as a true Freshman regardless of where he plays next year.

Great job Mr. Besse and I hope to see you back in Red next year!

Can't he just go to a USHL team right now and come back for his senior year like Kloos did?

I would think that gave Kloos a good idea (and warm up) for the next level(s) of hockey.

Not sure how the USHL operates. Dickman finshed with the Govs and went directly to the Fargo Force (2 assists first game, BTW) two days after they were eliminated from sections.

Then again, a DI team hasn't picked him up (yet), so that might have had something to do with it.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:36 pm

Muskegon owns Besse's USHL rights and they are a bit of a disaster right now. I'm not sure that going there at this point would help him.

lnhsshaun · Post by **lnhsshaun** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:51 pm

Sats81 wrote:I think gophers missed on him big time too and after seeing him more in the tourney I think he's better than Kloos and agree he would be Mr Hockey if he was a sr. What a talent he is. Hope he sticks around next yr.

Great talent, but saying he is better than Kloos, and would have been Mr. Hockey is a little far-fetched. Kloos had 99 pts before coming into the tournament. Grant is a great player, had a great season, and had one of the best tournaments of any players I have seen. That being said, entire teams don't completely change their game plan to stop him like they do for Kloos. Even when teams change their game plan to stopping Kloos, they still struggle, and he still puts up crazy numbers. Also, Kloos was standout in the elite league, which personally, I think Grant is not a complete enough player to be "standout" in leagues with better players yet. With time Grant's play will improve and become more well rounded. Until then, comparing him and saying he is better than Mr. Hockey is a bit illogical.

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:01 am

Gopher Blog wrote:Muskegon owns Besse's USHL rights and they are a bit of a disaster right now. I'm not sure that going there at this point would help him.

Maybe the opposite; maybe being a crappy team would get him more icetime.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:32 am

Gopher Blog wrote:Muskegon owns Besse's USHL rights and they are a bit of a disaster right now. I'm not sure that going there at this point would help him.

Agreed. He will NEVER don a Muskegon jersey...ever

observer · Post by **observer** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:19 pm

He will NEVER don a Muskegon jersey

Why?

Snap Happy · Post by **Snap Happy** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:44 pm

Sats81 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Tenoverpar wrote:how can anyone rip a kid that just put up a 5 spot in the State Championship game. If this was last year and it was RAU you idiots would have made a bronze statue of his stick...if this was the all loving Jake Randolph there would be a change from Canal Park to Randolph Park...I mean, come on people...yes, the kid is at a private school, yes his school happens to bring in some pretty good players....but honestly for some of you to say anything negative about a kid who just did what Besse did is ridiculously pathetic.

Congrats Grant on your team winning the State Championship
Right on! If Besse was going to the U, people would be wetting their pants over his performance. How can people not appreciate an unbelieveable game, something they probably will never see again!
Agreed with all that was said above. Would be nice to have him back playing HS hockey next yr. Hopefully he follows what Rau and Kloos did and realizes at the end of the day, you can never have that year back and with his talent he will do just fine at Wisconsin without the USHL.

Great post Sats! Love to see him back. It adds to the quality of MN HS hockey when these types of guys stay!

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:29 pm

Sats81 wrote:
blueblood wrote:Wow.....that will go down as the top performance by an individual player in the history of the state tourney.

Congrats GB!
After Dave Spehar in 95.

Not to mention John Mayasich's 15 goals and 18 points in three games in 1951, including 7 in one game.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:32 pm

spectatorfun wrote:Thats right. They have Lou Nanne. My bad

Would Besse be willing to come in with no scholarship offer? If not, Nanne is irrelevant because he won't be a scholarship player. Like mentioned in this thread, when you are bringing in the likes of Cammarata, Fasching, Guertler, and Lettieri under scholarship, there isn't room for everyone.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:33 pm

Sats81 wrote:I think gophers missed on him big time too and after seeing him more in the tourney I think he's better than Kloos and agree he would be Mr Hockey if he was a sr. What a talent he is. Hope he sticks around next yr.

Yeah, because Kloos played on anywhere near as talented a team. Sorry, but I will have to disagree with you on Besse being better than Kloos.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:37 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:This kid is the best pure goal scorer I've seen in a very long time but it will take a lot more to succeed at the next level.

Then you clearly haven't seen Taylor Cammarata play. The kid is currently tied for 10th in the USHL in scoring (22g-28a-50pts in 48 games) as a SIXTEEN year-old.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:39 pm

Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Besse's a complete package. Very strong on his skates.

Complete package plays well in the defensive end, something Besse isn't known AT ALL for. He's improved in this area over last year, but has a long ways to go before he can be called a "complete player".

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:43 pm

minnscout wrote:The only thing Besse has in common with Spehar is they scored a lot of goals in highschool. Besse is bigger, stronger, faster and has a much higher upside.

Dave Spehar - 5'8", 174 lbs
Grant Besse - 5'10", 170 lbs

And I'll disagree with you on the speed aspect too. From MNHockeyProspects.com:

Besse has made great strides in tightening up his defensive game and should continue to improve as he gets more experienced. Besse does not have overwhelming speed but is an adequate skater. The same can be said for his shot, it is not the hardest but he can pick corners and releases it for many different angles. Besse has worked hard to include a physical side into his game, something he will have to utilize at the next level.

http://mnhockeyprospects.com/2012-nhl-d ... ant-besse/

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:48 pm

mulefarm wrote:
Tenoverpar wrote:how can anyone rip a kid that just put up a 5 spot in the State Championship game. If this was last year and it was RAU you idiots would have made a bronze statue of his stick...if this was the all loving Jake Randolph there would be a change from Canal Park to Randolph Park...I mean, come on people...yes, the kid is at a private school, yes his school happens to bring in some pretty good players....but honestly for some of you to say anything negative about a kid who just did what Besse did is ridiculously pathetic.

Congrats Grant on your team winning the State Championship
Right on! If Besse was going to the U, people would be wetting their pants over his performance. How can people not appreciate an unbelieveable game, something they probably will never see again!

There is a difference between appreciating the effort, the performance, and the player and saying it was a mistake for the Gophers not to recruit him. It was an outstanding effort, and epic performance, and he is a great player. However, that does not necessarily mean it was a mistake not to recruit him. It's all about need.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:16 pm

I have seen Cammarata play this year and he is as good as advertised. I didn't include him in this comparison because this a high school forum and Taylor never played high school. For what its worth they are very different types of scores...Besse is a gunner, in the Danny Heatley mold, I'd compare Taylor's game with that of Dino Ciccerelli., always around the net, quick and extremely clever.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:31 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:I have seen Cammarata play this year and he is as good as advertised. I didn't include him in this comparison because this a high school forum and Taylor never played high school. For what its worth they are very different types of scores...Besse is a gunner, in the Danny Heatley mold, I'd compare Taylor's game with that of Dino Ciccerelli., always around the net, quick and extremely clever.

I see. You didn't clarify "high school player" before "best you've seen in a while", so I misunderstood. Personally, I don't think Besse is in Cammarata's league. But that is just opinion.

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:47 pm

JDUBBS1280 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Tenoverpar wrote:how can anyone rip a kid that just put up a 5 spot in the State Championship game. If this was last year and it was RAU you idiots would have made a bronze statue of his stick...if this was the all loving Jake Randolph there would be a change from Canal Park to Randolph Park...I mean, come on people...yes, the kid is at a private school, yes his school happens to bring in some pretty good players....but honestly for some of you to say anything negative about a kid who just did what Besse did is ridiculously pathetic.

Congrats Grant on your team winning the State Championship
Right on! If Besse was going to the U, people would be wetting their pants over his performance. How can people not appreciate an unbelieveable game, something they probably will never see again!
There is a difference between appreciating the effort, the performance, and the player and saying it was a mistake for the Gophers not to recruit him. It was an outstanding effort, and epic performance, and he is a great player. However, that does not necessarily mean it was a mistake not to recruit him. It's all about need.

Like they didn't think they needed Ryan McDonagh or Jake Gardiner! I suppose that wasn't a mistake?

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