MNpuckBlog wrote:Earlier today I posted about all the typical Junior routes from Minnesota players on my blog. It's mostly my opinion, supported by the leagues statistics of college commitments, but feel free to check it out.
20+ MNJHL alumni have gone D-1 since 2000
200+ alumni have gone D-III since 2000
Not too shabby for a VERY small (8 teams?) tier 3 league.
Might want to check your "statistics" again....
If you can't play in the North American League with over 30 teams, or even in the BCHL, MJHL, SJHL, or AJHL...Come on. You're not going to make the lineup at any D3 school.
Like I said.."Lineup". Many of the player listed as playing DIII don't end up playing more than 10 games in 4 years, or even end up playing for more than a year, but end up getting "counted". Many MIAC teams carry as many as 35 players. Many of the Division I players that the MJHL touts play for MAYBE a year and then are gone. I am almost 100 percent certain no Minnesota Junior Hockey League player has gone straight from playing Tier III to Division I Hockey.
mghockey18 wrote:Like I said.."Lineup". Many of the player listed as playing DIII don't end up playing more than 10 games in 4 years, or even end up playing for more than a year, but end up getting "counted". Many MIAC teams carry as many as 35 players. Many of the Division I players that the MNJHL touts play for MAYBE a year and then are gone. I am almost 100 percent certain no Minnesota Junior Hockey League player has gone straight from playing Minnesota Tier III to Division I Hockey.
MNpuckBlog wrote:Earlier today I posted about all the typical Junior routes from Minnesota players on my blog. It's mostly my opinion, supported by the leagues statistics of college commitments, but feel free to check it out.
20+ MNJHL alumni have gone D-1 since 2000
200+ alumni have gone D-III since 2000
Not too shabby for a VERY small (8 teams?) tier 3 league.
Might want to check your "statistics" again....
Name the players who have come straight of of the MNJHL and gone D1, their website has some listed...but none of them come up on Hockeydb.com (pretty reliable source I'd say). I'm not saying it's never happened, but it's a pretty unrealistic goal for a kid to play in this league without advancing to a higher league before going D1 (Parentau for example). I'm just saying in the past 3-4 years since I have followed the league, I haven't heard of anyone going directly D1 from the MJ, maybe D1 Club level, but not D1 NCAA. Not bashing the league, just going by the statistics compared to the higher junior leagues that put out many D1/NHL players.
What part of alumni do you guys not understand? Did I say straight from MNJHL? Most of these guys tried out for the NAHL and didn't make it.. So they then played in the MNJHL to get noticed by the NAHL and others. WITHOUT this option they (200+ players since 2000) would not of advanced to the college level. There have been many former MNJHL players that have made very good contributions at the college level.
There have been kids USHL level that didn't make it at the college level. The point is what is so bad about a place for a certain type of kid to play one more year. I think it is great that we [Mn] have this type of option.
I get that many players have gone from tier three to division three college. That is probably where the majority end up if they continue chasing the dream at all. The contributing players who end up at division one college players and are major contributers is a much different thing. We also get that players do move up to nahl. But with only three years to get noticed in juniors the chances of getting to division one is fairly difficult when one or more years are used up trying to get noticed so you can move up to tier two. Does that make sense. Also could you give us a list of these twenty players who made division one. Then we could have a concrete discussion of their contributions.
I do not discount or want to talk down to any league that helps a kid get an education. That being said off of a low number of 1920 kids that have played in the MJ since 2000 about 200+ have made it to D3. That is right around 10%. In one year alone NAHL has put 94 out of 644 to D1 schools. That is around 14.5% there are a few D3 listed but I would guess they put quite a few into D3 when you look a MIAC rosters.
While MJ does still help kids get to another level the percentages are decreased significantly and the league get a rap for kids holding on to dreams vs kids developing to the next level.
In my opinion NA3 and MJ are moving forward and getting better but it will never compete with the experience of playing hockey with the kids you grew up with throughout all of school, and its hard to believe kids are leaving school to play in the MJ or NA3 to try and get noticed by NAHL or USHL.
So I vote for High School experience, atmosphere, and pride to be better hockey than MJ or Tier 3
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24070
Not ALL, but a few from a couple years ago. All I'm saying is that if a late bloomer or a kid that decides to chase a dream after HS wants to.... There are options.
Love to get some names of players who went tier three and made it to division one. Names would make the conversation more concrete. Please list names. Then we can see concrete stats.
grandmeadowhockeyfan wrote:Love to get some names of players who went tier three and made it to division one. Names would make the conversation more concrete. Please list names. Then we can see concrete stats.
When did this only become about D-1? Call the league if you need info..... There are quite a few that even made it to different pro ranks.
I gave a rebutal to the worthless league comments...
Down here we have some very good players that have played Tier III Junior. Of course, they are playing when they are 15 or 16 and not when they are 18 or 19.
Ryan Carpenter just finished a very good freshman year with Bowling Green. Brian Ferlin was the last cut from the US team in the World Junior and did very well at Cornell this year. Carpenter played when he was 15 for the Space Coast Hurricanes and Ferlin played when he was 15 & 16 for the Jacksonville Ice Dogs.
I don't think either one could possibly have played Tier III Junior had they been in Minnesota. They would have been standout players on their HS teams or maybe would have left to play USHL. They were playing Tier III because it was the close-to-home option.
BBgunner wrote:I do not discount or want to talk down to any league that helps a kid get an education. That being said off of a low number of 1920 kids that have played in the MJ since 2000 about 200+ have made it to D3. That is right around 10%. In one year alone NAHL has put 94 out of 644 to D1 schools. That is around 14.5% there are a few D3 listed but I would guess they put quite a few into D3 when you look a MIAC rosters.
While MJ does still help kids get to another level the percentages are decreased significantly and the league get a rap for kids holding on to dreams vs kids developing to the next level.
In my opinion NA3 and MJ are moving forward and getting better but it will never compete with the experience of playing hockey with the kids you grew up with throughout all of school, and its hard to believe kids are leaving school to play in the MJ or NA3 to try and get noticed by NAHL or USHL.
So I vote for High School experience, atmosphere, and pride to be better hockey than MJ or Tier 3
It is easy to believe that a talented kid that still has development potential would leave a low quality high school team to play MJ where the quality of play is better then his high school. He may have missed his opportunity (or lacked the foresight) to make a life decision to switch high schools in 9th grade. Or he may be planning to switch schools and will play MJ while serving MSHL's communist punishment for pursuing open enrollment for better sports opportunities.
Tigers33 wrote:Who wins? A top 10 team in the high school league vs. The Flying Aces from Little Falls.
So, example: Duluth East, Benilde, Maple Grove, Edina, Hill Murray, Tonka, Wayzata, Burnsville, Moorhead, Lakeville South, etc...VS. The Flying Aces.
Who wins?
I would say the the high school team would win. they may not have as much depth but the star power those teams have would be enough. for exapmle i see bonstrom was one of the flying aces top scores and he was a 2nd/3rd liner for eagan last year
Call the league if you need info..... There are quite a few that even made it to different pro ranks. 