MH new AA - A proigram

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri May 11, 2012 10:30 am

Just looking for opinions if this will help, hinder, not change much...
will it be good, bad...

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri May 11, 2012 12:06 pm

Are we going to let the weaker Hockey associations that feed an AA high school, let their teams move down to A in high school?

Isn't the seperation of a few, giving an advantage to a few, when they get to the high school ranks?

The associations that play A now all want to play at the highest level of competition. Do you think their opinion will change all of a sudden?

Nothing will change...... or strong armed Minnesota Hockey will force change and it will have a negative effect to the current structure we have from youth through high school.

YouthHockeyHub · Post by **YouthHockeyHub** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:26 pm

As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS

sorno82 · Post by **sorno82** » Fri May 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1

You need to get off that mantra. It has nothing to do abour the sweater, but rather getting that second tier decent competition. My son has been a bubble kid in a larger association every other year. He plays B1, and his teams dominate most games. The kids don't improve as much as others, and most of the games are boring and non-productive. It is tough to work on their weaknesses since they are not readily apparent when the game is too slow to expose them.

Our teams love playing B1 teams that are associations top teams since it usually provides good competiion. You see a few kids on those teams that should also be playing A, but there is not enough depth for them to be competive game in and game out. Those associations can now play A with the possibility that their season won't end in Mid February.

On a final note, the big association A teams have traditionally been relatively stronger than their high school teams since a lot of the top players move on. Either by going private or jumping to the next level by their junior or senior year. The Wayzata seniors won PWA and BTA in youth, but again struggled in high school. The reason is obvious. Horton and Besse went to BSM, Opperman to Breck, Chute to Blake, Lucia to Juniors, Dingman injured. The strong Edina bantam group has already started to disperse, and my guess is at least 7 or 8 of them won't be playing for Edina as Seniors.

black sheep · Post by **black sheep** » Mon May 14, 2012 8:32 am

elliott70 wrote:Just looking for opinions if this will help, hinder, not change much...
will it be good, bad...

any idea how the AA / A will affect D16? Are they all A?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:25 pm

YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS

How many AA programs are there going to be.......? Do you know what you're talking about........? I don't remember you stating it would be so positive.......... What association are you involved with........?

dlow · Post by **dlow** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:40 pm

I'm not sure how this helps since 90+% of games are outside of the playoffs. This, according to how it is set up, could just lead to more blow out games during tournaments and the regular season. If more associations convert their B1s to A...

Why not just require associations that have more than one A team to have them balanced and require one or more A teams at certain # thresholds?

That way you wouldn't have all-star teams and associations/teams would be playing on an even field.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:45 am

YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS

What does an A sweater become when other kids are wearing AA sweaters?

B-1

DrGaf · Post by **DrGaf** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:01 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS
What does an A sweater become when other kids are wearing AA sweaters?
...
B-1

dang. Guess I'll have to amend past sweatshirts with a sharpie.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:13 am

DrGaf wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS
What does an A sweater become when other kids are wearing AA sweaters?
...
B-1
dang. Guess I'll have to amend past sweatshirts with a sharpie.

I would just go with three A's to be safe...

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Thu May 17, 2012 2:44 pm

BoDangles: So you agree that you are more concerned about A, AA, AAA than how the new format actually affects the game of hockey.

You must be in favor of AAAA summer hockey?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:02 pm

BadgerBob82 wrote:BoDangles: So you agree that you are more concerned about A, AA, AAA than how the new format actually affects the game of hockey.

You must be in favor of AAAA summer hockey?

A will be the new B-1.

The highest level, AA, will be for the elite few.

MNH can add as many A's as they want.

You think MNH needs a major revamp and I think change will be detrimental. Boy have we come full circle.

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:32 pm

Bo: I don't think a major revamp is needed at all. I think too many B level associations wanted to "wear the A sweater" when the be sweater fit.

And I think you are all for elite hockey? (As long as your little suzy is on the AAAAAAAA team)

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:58 pm

BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: I don't think a major revamp is needed at all. I think too many B level associations wanted to "wear the A sweater" when the be sweater fit.

And I think you are all for elite hockey? (As long as your little suzy is on the AAAAAAAA team)

Your comprehension sucks! Are you not able to understand that I'm not for the extra A added to a Select 32 teams?

I've always been about equal (small association district pooled teams) opportunities for all kids. MNH is letting very capable talent go undeveloped in these small associations.

You just want little Bob Beeone Jr to wear an A sweater.

YouthHockeyHub · Post by **YouthHockeyHub** » Thu May 17, 2012 10:46 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS
How many AA programs are there going to be.......? Do you know what you're talking about........? I don't remember you stating it would be so positive.......... What association are you involved with........?

#: 45-55 is my best guess...breakdown by district - http://youthhockeyhub.com/hypothetical- ... rict-bids/
Positive: it's growing on me... If dump chase is right, the top 32 regardless of geography is really cool
Assn: I'm not on the board of any association

dlow · Post by **dlow** » Fri May 18, 2012 12:26 am

Youth hockey hub: "the top 32 regardless of geography is really cool"

News flash: youth hockey is now officially a spectator first sport, players come 2nd.

... Your info is nice but you are out of left field with some of your opinions. Only 32 mostly metro teams competing for #1. That is not good news for MN hockey if it wants to grow and stay in smaller or less affluent communities.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri May 18, 2012 5:49 am

dlow wrote:Youth hockey hub: "the top 32 regardless of geography is really cool"

News flash: youth hockey is now officially a spectator first sport, players come 2nd.

... Your info is nice but you are out of left field with some of your opinions. Only 32 mostly metro teams competing for #1. That is not good news for MN hockey if it wants to grow and stay in smaller or less affluent communities.

Another has seen the light....

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri May 18, 2012 5:59 am

YouthHockeyHub wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
YouthHockeyHub wrote:As I've stated...this new system helps the Big 9 (Edina, Wayzata, OMG, Stillwater, Moorhead, Rochester, Woodbury, White Bear, and Minnetonka). Their 16-30 players now get a chance to wear an A sweater instead of B1.

It also will reduce the number of blow outs in the Regional tournaments and in theory give more competitive balance at the A and B level regional and state tournaments.

It will have no effect on the middle class AA teams (LVN, LVS, Eastview, Jefferson, Chaska/Chan, Forest Lake, etc). It will be a huge benefit to a few other class A youth associations (Orono, Delano, Waconia, etc).

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

TS
How many AA programs are there going to be.......? Do you know what you're talking about........? I don't remember you stating it would be so positive.......... What association are you involved with........?
#: 45-55 is my best guess...breakdown by district - http://youthhockeyhub.com/hypothetical- ... rict-bids/
Positive: it's growing on me... If dump chase is right, the top 32 regardless of geography is really cool
Assn: I'm not on the board of any association

I'm not talking about being on a board. What association do/did your kids play for?

Bleed Maroon and Gold · Fri May 18, 2012 8:05 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
YouthHockeyHub wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote: How many AA programs are there going to be.......? Do you know what you're talking about........? I don't remember you stating it would be so positive.......... What association are you involved with........?
#: 45-55 is my best guess...breakdown by district - http://youthhockeyhub.com/hypothetical- ... rict-bids/
Positive: it's growing on me... If dump chase is right, the top 32 regardless of geography is really cool
Assn: I'm not on the board of any association
I'm not talking about being on a board. What association do/did your kids play for?

I am guessing it is one of the big associations that this benefits

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Fri May 18, 2012 9:03 am

Bo: My comprehension can't be that bad. I am positive you are a Summer AAA proponent? How many more A's do you want?

My support of the AA-A deal has no impact on my kids. I just have the ability to see past how changes affect my kids. In other words, you only seem to want what is good for MrBoDangles and Bo's kid.

I have lived the A, B1, B2 levels with my kids and my coaching. Now that my kids are in High School, I think I have the ability to see the big picture.

It's a big world Bo, and it doesn't revolve around you and little Bo.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri May 18, 2012 10:12 am

BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: My comprehension can't be that bad. I am positive you are a Summer AAA proponent? How many more A's do you want?

My support of the AA-A deal has no impact on my kids. I just have the ability to see past how changes affect my kids. In other words, you only seem to want what is good for MrBoDangles and Bo's kid.

I have lived the A, B1, B2 levels with my kids and my coaching. Now that my kids are in High School, I think I have the ability to see the big picture.

It's a big world Bo, and it doesn't revolve around you and little Bo.

I want what is best for my son's association. I want my son's association to be part of a play-off system where you have to beat the opponent, not one that you're handed a golden ticket.

We are all able to read through your spastic anti summer AAA propoganda. Regrets?

Didn't you say that "MNH will do it all wrong and set us back ten years".

Ok, so you "lived" your kid's youth Hockey experience. Now go away and quit being a creeper. Join a horseshoe league, garden, or something...

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:42 am

Bo: I remain involved in my association and continue to coach. So while you don't like to hear from people that have been through the process, it's good for you to hear. We can all see through you're living your athletic life through your kid. You are trying to prop your kid up. Say it's for the good of your association, but you think Jr is not going to be a superstar yet you have no clue what you talk about. We've all seen guys like you. Sad but true.

hockeyover40 · Post by **hockeyover40** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:10 am

How is this new rule going to affect the waiver rule that allows a kid to wavier to another association if his/her association doesn't offer a A team?

If it doesn't change and lets a kid waiver to a AA program if his/her association is only an A program, that's one thing. If it doesn't allow a waiver, it's going against the the whole idea of the rule.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:25 am

BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: I remain involved in my association and continue to coach. So while you don't like to hear from people that have been through the process, it's good for you to hear. We can all see through you're living your athletic life through your kid. You are trying to prop your kid up. Say it's for the good of your association, but you think Jr is not going to be a superstar yet you have no clue what you talk about. We've all seen guys like you. Sad but true.

Badger: You always feel the need to bring it to another level. If you read through you'll see that you started with all the the insults, -you brought (our) children into it, -you always have to chime in how terrible Summer AAA is.

The increase in AAA and more training than just Winter association Hockey has put Minnesota on the map at the highest (NHL) level. You're nuts if you think someone will master Hockey by just playing in the Winter and doing a stp. Probably why you said you coached your kid's B-1-2 team in youth.

It's best for development to play at the highest competition level. Yes, I want my kid/association to play at the highest level.

I've explained the negatives for medium and small associations..... Could we hear the positives for your association?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:36 am

BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: My comprehension can't be that bad. I am positive you are a Summer AAA proponent? How many more A's do you want?

My support of the AA-A deal has no impact on my kids. I just have the ability to see past how changes affect my kids. In other words, you only seem to want what is good for MrBoDangles and Bo's kid.

I have lived the A, B1, B2 levels with my kids and my coaching. Now that my kids are in High School, I think I have the ability to see the big picture.

It's a big world Bo, and it doesn't revolve around you and little Bo.

Yes, I'm all for Summer AAA.

The proof is in the pudding with the talent starting to come out of the third world Winter associations through AAA training.

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