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Your inner puke is showing up clearly as the words of a five year old.BadgerBob82 wrote:Sorry Bo. My plan would have worked well. But there is no way for me to fix the world. My little corner of it will survive very well under the AA-A configuration. Who cares if it doesn't work for every kid in every association. Right, look out for #1?
But don't step in #2, so I'm not going to stand near you!
This is what I don;t understand about MN. Why can't a B1 team play and A tteam if it will be a good match. Regardles of what your team level is designated why can't you just schedule whomever you want during the regular season. The "designations" should only come into play for district and state playoff purposes. Down here if my sons Division 3 A team is a good match for Steven Point's Division 1 B team we schedule eachother and play eachother. What's the big deal? If my kids A team can be a good match for Middleton's Division 1 A team we schedule eachother, if my kids team would get shelled 15-0 by Stevens Point's A team we don't schedule eachother. I think that is the main mess with this system. it isn't whether teams are designated AA, AA or B it's the ability to jsut schedule whomever is a good fit for scheduling in the regular season. The the designations should just be about playoffs and if that were the case then size and strngth of the association would be all that matters in determinng a AA club sort of like how we desingate if you are a Division 1 or a Division 2 or a Division 3 club down hereobserver wrote:YouthHockeyHub, you've just posted twice suggesting letter designation means something. Ego? So long as kids are on teams with players of similar ability, and good coaching, the letter means nothing. On a good team with a good coach should be enough. Everyone knew there were outstanding B1 teams around so I still don't understand the problem. I'm afraid this whole thing started because someone wanted to say their player was A instead of B. I'm sorry they felt so strongly because they messed it up now.
I can kinda get behind the another level discussion but that doesn't work for the majority of the State as described by Elliott. That challenge could have been fixed through better scheduling and allowing uber B1 teams to schedule some games against appropriate A teams.
And unless Larry Hendrickson is an active parent in a member youth association he shouldn't be dreaming up changes in the system anyways. That isn't, nor should it be, Minnesota Hockey's role. Governing body. Leave ideas and suggestions to the membership.
It's amazing the lengths people will go to in order to protect the Minnesota Youth Hockey status quo..HockeyTalk18 wrote:I spoke with John Perry (MNH VP of Maroon Districts) and he gave me the impression that each association was free to do whatever they felt best. There would be no mandates on association size, strength, etc
Hmm, i wonder how far that Free to do whatever they feel best will be allowed?
will they now allow C teams play B2 teams?
will they now allow B1 teams to play A teams?
will they allow X association to choose who they play and don't play during league play?
I agree with both Bo and Bob, Idea is great, but without some guidelines or standards? how could it work? and for who will it work for?
I can say I am truly shocked at how MH has gone with this, Really? no rules?
I would have rather seen some guidelines set during this Pilot year and then tweak from there? what are we going to see out of a wild west season?
to allow associations with 6 teams play down and associations with 5 or 6 teams play AA then down to B1 is not what this was brought up for, correct?
if they are going to allow these teams to drop down or not have both AA and A then they are opening the doors for other associations to do what they feel is best in other areas, including who plays who during league play, If X association does not go AA and A instead going AA and B1 maybe the rest of the B1's in that District just say....well we don't feel its best for us to play them during the year and if a chunk of the Dist. does this good luck collecting the Fines from half your district.
really?? introduce AA/A and set NO rules? how is this even possible
You can play another level with the cognizant district director(s) approval.JSR wrote: This is what I don;t understand about MN. Why can't a B1 team play and A tteam if it will be a good match. Regardles of what your team level is designated why can't you just schedule whomever you want during the regular season.
Ahh, the other reason is that it keeps me in the loop, just in case something goes wrong, and then I can take the heat and not the local association.elliott70 wrote:You can play another level with the cognizant district director(s) approval.JSR wrote: This is what I don;t understand about MN. Why can't a B1 team play and A tteam if it will be a good match. Regardles of what your team level is designated why can't you just schedule whomever you want during the regular season.
We often do it in D16 and across D lines with 12 & 15 on occasion.
Just doing it is not allowed...
the main reason I have been told is because of insurance.
My reason is I want to be sure the league games are played, that some Dad with money is not massaging his own ego, that a coach is not taking advantage of 'something', and I am sure of another reason, but can't think of it.
Anyway, I have never denied a request.
It's all I have in response to this..BadgerBob82 wrote:Sorry Bo. My plan would have worked well. But there is no way for me to fix the world. My little corner of it will survive very well under the AA-A configuration. Who cares if it doesn't work for every kid in every association. Right, look out for #1?
But don't step in #2, so I'm not going to stand near you!
Right, this is the part that I'm not sure why mn hockey doesn't understand...big associations with winning reputations are afraid of a 500 or sub season. This is why recommendations or a soft mandate about level designations based on numbers at a given level is what is missing. This would create true parity, chances for any given team to win the championship in a given year and the consistent competitive games that benefit development, are fun to play in and watch.HockeyTalk18 wrote:I spoke with John Perry (MNH VP of Maroon Districts) and he gave me the impression that each association was free to do whatever they felt best. There would be no mandates on association size, strength, etc
Hmm, i wonder how far that Free to do whatever they feel best will be allowed?
will they now allow C teams play B2 teams?
will they now allow B1 teams to play A teams?
will they allow X association to choose who they play and don't play during league play?
I agree with both Bo and Bob, Idea is great, but without some guidelines or standards? how could it work? and for who will it work for?
I can say I am truly shocked at how MH has gone with this, Really? no rules?
I would have rather seen some guidelines set during this Pilot year and then tweak from there? what are we going to see out of a wild west season?
to allow associations with 6 teams play down and associations with 5 or 6 teams play AA then down to B1 is not what this was brought up for, correct?
if they are going to allow these teams to drop down or not have both AA and A then they are opening the doors for other associations to do what they feel is best in other areas, including who plays who during league play, If X association does not go AA and A instead going AA and B1 maybe the rest of the B1's in that District just say....well we don't feel its best for us to play them during the year and if a chunk of the Dist. does this good luck collecting the Fines from half your district.
really?? introduce AA/A and set NO rules? how is this even possible
Wonderful post that is filled with common sense and brings up just a few of the problems I saw coming.zrman wrote:MN Hockey is the governing body that creates a pilot program and then claims the Associations can do what they want. So, essentially everyone should have ignored it because they (MN Hockey) has opted out of any oversight responsibility and killed the pilot b4 it gets started absent any clear rules for implementation. Fools.
If the intent was to provide more A level opportunity during the season and post-season, why is it so hard to keep the interest of kids in focus. Do big associations really need to skip A level play so they can dominate a B tournament? Who does that benefit?
MN Hockey.... you started this. Get on the phone and talk to some sense into some of these people. Don't start fires and then leave us to put them out. While you're at it, remind all of the those metro associatons that this is the STATE of hockey. Those of us in outstate Minnesota need to play their teams during the season because there are not enough AA teams up north to field a full schedule. Associations opting A only or A status won't play us because they've been given the option not to or don't want to play both our AA and A teams.
Let's work together here folks. Do the right things. Recognize the intent of the pilot and work within the intent rather that use the lack of definition to pursue self-interests.
Could we expect other districts to only put A on their gear when District 6 has an AA regular season schedule? Who's really A and AA then? District 6 is the only real AA district?YouthHockeyHub wrote:Post of the week right there. Thanks.
The fact that a couple very large associations decided to go AA and B was very disheartening. The fact that some tournaments are going AA an A leads one to think that the intent of AA and A is headed in the wrong direction. You are right, MNH should be doing more to direct it's teams to decisions that will benefit the whole.
Had a friend call me this weekend and tell me this tale. Parent meeting. Parents deciding what to put on the hoodies "PeeWee AA or PeeWee A". The parents decided overwhelmingly to put "AA" on the hoodie.
I nearly drove off the road. That team will be a AA team for 1 game during districts and be done. But their sweatshirt will say it forever!!
Just because they're listed as AA on this list doesn't mean they are going to field a AA team. I suspect some have opted down.pineline wrote:http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/docu ... ion_1_.pdf
Per MN Hockey newsletter emailed yesterday there appears to be 45 AA associations.
The original plan was region only.old goalie85 wrote:At the D2 meeting tonight, it came out that there are only 32 AA bantam teams. That means All the teams will go to regions. So D2 won't even have a district playoff. I wonder if anyone thought of this ahead of time.
No opting down at this point, if they are on the list then they are having a AA team unless clerical error.Bluewhitefan wrote:Just because they're listed as AA on this list doesn't mean they are going to field a AA team. I suspect some have opted down.pineline wrote:http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/docu ... ion_1_.pdf
Per MN Hockey newsletter emailed yesterday there appears to be 45 AA associations.
