the new boarding rule. good or bad?

[dakotakid]

My son's team was in a tourney in Moorhead this weekend and every game had a boarding call with a game misconduct. I hate this rule if the kid lays on the ice the misconduct is called, if he gets up it is not,Dumbest rule ever.

[luvuvgame]

My son's team was in a tourney in Moorhead this weekend and every game had a boarding call with a game misconduct. I hate this rule if the kid lays on the ice the misconduct is called, if he gets up it is not,Dumbest rule ever.

The days of 5 on 5 hockey in Minnesota are over. Coaches really shouldn't even be picking 3 lines for teams anymore. 2 lines of kids who can play special teams is really all that is needed (maybe +1 to serve the penalties) We are starting to see more kids get less playing time because of the extended amount of penalty minutes. The only skills being developed now are power play and penalty kill skills. I'm sure I will get blasted for this opinion but I witnessed it first hand this weekend with my own eyes.

[frozenponds]

Agree. Five games watched this weekend, multiple misconducts each game. One game watched do not think there was more than 5 minutes of the 45 min game that was 5 on 5. Also not aware of serving time of 15 min for the player being called. 5 min major, one player to sit for that and player out 15 min.....

No one wants to see anyone hurt but as a parent with kids in hockey, I am totally aware of the risks and crazy injuries that can happen, even something fluke (falling and crashing in to boards etc.) To see kids purposely lay down to draw a misconduct is sad. Why I can't stand watching world elite soccer.

[luvuvgame]

Agree. Five games watched this weekend, multiple misconducts each game. One game watched do not think there was more than 5 minutes of the 45 min game that was 5 on 5. Also not aware of serving time of 15 min for the player being called. 5 min major, one player to sit for that and player out 15 min.....

No one wants to see anyone hurt but as a parent with kids in hockey, I am totally aware of the risks and crazy injuries that can happen, even something fluke (falling and crashing in to boards etc.)


"To see kids purposely lay down to draw a misconduct is sad.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but there were a few instances this weekend where one might question whether or not this is going on.

[strokerdriver]

Agree. Five games watched this weekend, multiple misconducts each game. One game watched do not think there was more than 5 minutes of the 45 min game that was 5 on 5. Also not aware of serving time of 15 min for the player being called. 5 min major, one player to sit for that and player out 15 min.....

No one wants to see anyone hurt but as a parent with kids in hockey, I am totally aware of the risks and crazy injuries that can happen, even something fluke (falling and crashing in to boards etc.)


"To see kids purposely lay down to draw a misconduct is sad.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but there were a few instances this weekend where one might question whether or not this is going on.

Agree.... we saw a few good actors this past weekend as well and we also had a skater sit for 15+ minutes... I totally understand the reasoning behind the rules and we all don't want anymore kids seriously hurt, but unfortunately it is once again left up to the officiating to "interpret" the intent of the rule and the action at hand.... there is a difference between a skater blatantly driving another skater into the boards with a hit from behind and a skater in the process of delivering a legal check away from the boards and having the skater that is about to be checked, turn their back at the last minute and the skater delivering the check not able to stop their momentum. Similar issues with checking and the lack of consistency in what is called a penalty and what is not.... its a learning curve for everyone I guess but unfortunate that a skater who maliciously hits another skater from behind and a skater that "inadvertently" hits another skater will face the same consequences at the end of the day...

[wannagototherink]

Do you think USA hockey is going to ever change this or is this here to stay?

[57special]

add me to the list of those who had a kid sit for 15 on a VERY light hit. It wouldn't even have been a penalty when i played. I'm all for protecting kids, but this was OTT.

[Jimmy401]

Hey, all you refs out there, do you ever get the feeling you just can't win?

IMHO, the rule is fine. These kids need to learn what a dangerous hit is. Boarding calls are avoidable by the players. Most boarding calls occur when players are battling for the puck. When a player is along the boards, or the is a player ahead of another player racing for the puck, they need to be under control. Far too many times the players getting the penalty are out of control. The goal of checking is to create separation from the puck. In most instances when boarding is called the only "separation" was to knock the player down on the puck, if they fall at all. If two players are racing for the puck and boarding is called, it should be a game misconduct every time. Players also need to learn the angles to avoid boarding.

I do agree that if a kid lays there the penalty seems to be more severe, but look at the college and pro levels--any wonder there are dives by the kids?

[Stratal]

If a boarding call is called 5 + 10

and a kids is Laying on the ice for "effect"
he shouldn't be allowed to come back to the ice
until 2 things happen

1. checked by a doctor and cleared (that usually takes about 15 -20 mins)
2. or he sits for 20 mins to clear his head

let the kid decide I bet he doesn't lay there if he knows he or she is going to miss 1/2 the game for effect

Also since we are so concerned on player safety

If a kid is hit and goes down ....why don't they have to be checked by a doc to be cleared to play....kinda sounds like a double standard


I mean safety is 1st and foremost right?

[old goalie85]

I agree make them get checked out/sit 20mins. This will also stop any coaches from telling kids to take a dive.[I know no bantam coach would do this but.....]

[luvuvgame]

Hey, all you refs out there, do you ever get the feeling you just can't win?

IMHO, the rule is fine. These kids need to learn what a dangerous hit is. Boarding calls are avoidable by the players. Most boarding calls occur when players are battling for the puck. When a player is along the boards, or the is a player ahead of another player racing for the puck, they need to be under control. Far too many times the players getting the penalty are out of control. The goal of checking is to create separation from the puck. In most instances when boarding is called the only "separation" was to knock the player down on the puck, if they fall at all. If two players are racing for the puck and boarding is called, it should be a game misconduct every time. Players also need to learn the angles to avoid boarding.

I do agree that if a kid lays there the penalty seems to be more severe, but look at the college and pro levels--any wonder there are dives by the kids?

Don't disagree that "dangerous" hits should be severly penalized...problem is all hits are becoming serverly penalized. No one wants to see players getting hurt, unfortunately there are more getting hurt not physically, but rather their development. Until you take away the scoreboard, rankings and message boards, coaches are going to try and win, parents are going to push coaches to win and players are going to sit the bench. I love it when someone posts on here that all coaches want to do is win...that's all they care about! Have any of those people coached a team that isn't winning? Parents associate the win/loss record with player development, there is an expectation of winning that comes from them like it or not. Oddly enough, the parents that express on message boards and in board meetings any other idealistic approach to coaching are the parents of kids that are serving penalties or not playing on the special teams. Anyone who thinks it is different than that, there is no point arguing with because they enjoy their head in the sand. They don't care how big the program is, they don't care if you have 20 kids tryout for your team or 100 kids tryout...parents want to win regardless. If you think there is any less expectation of winning at the peewee level than there is at the pro or college level then you are naive. So when there is 25 minutes in penalties for each team how much time do you think that 3rd line or 5th & 6th defenseman is going to get? Right, wrong or whatever this is reality. IMO, this will change back when Minnesota Hockey realizes its players are falling behind because it's players can't keep up with the rest of the country when it comes to physical play. Like it or not, the ideal hockey player comes out of Canada (just look at college & pro rosters if you need proof of that) Canadians even at the peewee level play a hard, physical, nasty style of hockey and that is the style that produces hockey players for the higher levels. Like it or not that is reality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for encouraging goon hockey but there needs to be a happy medium. As far as refs feeling that they can't win...I feel for the refs, this isn't their fault, this is a mandate from Minnesota Hockey, their hands are tied by how they are expected to call games. I've seen good referees who have called games for 20 years make these calls that they never would have made in previous years. As far as USA hockey changing this, don't hold your breath...this is a Minnesota thing & Minnesota alone.

[Jimmy401]

Great idea for the kid lying there. I agree it accomplishes two purposes--if a kid takes a dive knowing he will sit out a large part of the game, he won't take a dive, and if a kid is down and he is hurt, he probably should sit out for part of the game before returning.

I don't think there is an easy answer either way. I do think that the coaches do not do a good job teaching checking at younger levels (as they are supposed to according to Minnesota Hockey), and I think that is in part a function of what Luvuvgame was talking about-winning games. I agree that coaches have alot of pressure to win games from parents and so they spend time on systems, etc. . ., instead of checking. I have seen alot of practices in the last two years of the PeeWee no check rule being implemented, and I would count on less than one hand the number of times I have seen a coach taking the time to teach checking at the practices. I'm not ripping on the coaches--its just a fact. Good topic of conversation though.

[JSR]

Hey, all you refs out there, do you ever get the feeling you just can't win?

IMHO, the rule is fine. These kids need to learn what a dangerous hit is. Boarding calls are avoidable by the players. Most boarding calls occur when players are battling for the puck. When a player is along the boards, or the is a player ahead of another player racing for the puck, they need to be under control. Far too many times the players getting the penalty are out of control. The goal of checking is to create separation from the puck. In most instances when boarding is called the only "separation" was to knock the player down on the puck, if they fall at all. If two players are racing for the puck and boarding is called, it should be a game misconduct every time. Players also need to learn the angles to avoid boarding.

I do agree that if a kid lays there the penalty seems to be more severe, but look at the college and pro levels--any wonder there are dives by the kids?

Don't disagree that "dangerous" hits should be severly penalized...problem is all hits are becoming serverly penalized. No one wants to see players getting hurt, unfortunately there are more getting hurt not physically, but rather their development. Until you take away the scoreboard, rankings and message boards, coaches are going to try and win, parents are going to push coaches to win and players are going to sit the bench. I love it when someone posts on here that all coaches want to do is win...that's all they care about! Have any of those people coached a team that isn't winning? Parents associate the win/loss record with player development, there is an expectation of winning that comes from them like it or not. Oddly enough, the parents that express on message boards and in board meetings any other idealistic approach to coaching are the parents of kids that are serving penalties or not playing on the special teams. Anyone who thinks it is different than that, there is no point arguing with because they enjoy their head in the sand. They don't care how big the program is, they don't care if you have 20 kids tryout for your team or 100 kids tryout...parents want to win regardless. If you think there is any less expectation of winning at the peewee level than there is at the pro or college level then you are naive. So when there is 25 minutes in penalties for each team how much time do you think that 3rd line or 5th & 6th defenseman is going to get? Right, wrong or whatever this is reality. IMO, this will change back when Minnesota Hockey realizes its players are falling behind because it's players can't keep up with the rest of the country when it comes to physical play. Like it or not, the ideal hockey player comes out of Canada (just look at college & pro rosters if you need proof of that) Canadians even at the peewee level play a hard, physical, nasty style of hockey and that is the style that produces hockey players for the higher levels. Like it or not that is reality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for encouraging goon hockey but there needs to be a happy medium. As far as refs feeling that they can't win...I feel for the refs, this isn't their fault, this is a mandate from Minnesota Hockey, their hands are tied by how they are expected to call games. I've seen good referees who have called games for 20 years make these calls that they never would have made in previous years. As far as USA hockey changing this, don't hold your breath...this is a Minnesota thing & Minnesota alone.

Don't paint EVERYONE with your broad brush. I coach, I coach a pretty good soccer team that plays in a high level league and that is above .500 but is not "the best team around" either. I believe in development over winning. I'm not saying I don't have parents who push hard for winning but when given the chance you can show the long term results of developing an entire team and making incremental gains so that when they reach high school age they can win rather than not developing them at early ages just for the sake of winning meaningless U10 or U12 (aka pee wee and squirt aged) games. I know of a pee wee hockey team recently where one of their best players left the team. He was a leader on the PP and PK units was never on the short end of the bench and his parents took him out because the coach was shorting the bench and their kid was playing way too much and way too longof shifts and they felt it was hurting him and the team. Again I am not saying that what you are portraying does not exist but please don't paint everyone with that broad brush because here are alot of people who see it the other way and are not parents of 3rd liners or 6th defensemen. Not saying they are a majority but there are more than you think, not everyone is an over the top egomaniac who thinks their son or daughter is the next great thing, there are lots of balanced sensible parents with gifted ahtletes for children who see things differently than what you describe.....

[QuackerTracker]

There is no 10 minute penalty for boarding in any league. The options for minnesota hockey are 5 minute major or 5 minute major and game misconduct.

I would be interested if anyone out there is activly contact the MH board or doing any work at all to have the penaly times put back to 2 minute penalties. Or you do just come on this message board and piss and moan?

If a boarding call is called 5 + 10

and a kids is Laying on the ice for "effect"
he shouldn't be allowed to come back to the ice
until 2 things happen

1. checked by a doctor and cleared (that usually takes about 15 -20 mins)
2. or he sits for 20 mins to clear his head

let the kid decide I bet he doesn't lay there if he knows he or she is going to miss 1/2 the game for effect

Also since we are so concerned on player safety

If a kid is hit and goes down ....why don't they have to be checked by a doc to be cleared to play....kinda sounds like a double standard


I mean safety is 1st and foremost right?

[blindref]

A player who checks someone from behind can receive a five and a game whether the other kid is hurt or not.

The NCAA has been very tough on this rule for four years, it shouldn't be a surprise at the youth level.

There are plenty of minor penalties that can escalate to a five and a game if you injure another player.

If you trip someone going full speed in the corner and the separate their shoulder, you can receive a five and a game.

Coaches, players and parents need to adjust their mentality about checking.

There is nothing wrong with a good physical check.
You just have to know how to do it and when to do it.

[luvuvgame]

Hey, all you refs out there, do you ever get the feeling you just can't win?

IMHO, the rule is fine. These kids need to learn what a dangerous hit is. Boarding calls are avoidable by the players. Most boarding calls occur when players are battling for the puck. When a player is along the boards, or the is a player ahead of another player racing for the puck, they need to be under control. Far too many times the players getting the penalty are out of control. The goal of checking is to create separation from the puck. In most instances when boarding is called the only "separation" was to knock the player down on the puck, if they fall at all. If two players are racing for the puck and boarding is called, it should be a game misconduct every time. Players also need to learn the angles to avoid boarding.

I do agree that if a kid lays there the penalty seems to be more severe, but look at the college and pro levels--any wonder there are dives by the kids?

Don't disagree that "dangerous" hits should be severly penalized...problem is all hits are becoming serverly penalized. No one wants to see players getting hurt, unfortunately there are more getting hurt not physically, but rather their development. Until you take away the scoreboard, rankings and message boards, coaches are going to try and win, parents are going to push coaches to win and players are going to sit the bench. I love it when someone posts on here that all coaches want to do is win...that's all they care about! Have any of those people coached a team that isn't winning? Parents associate the win/loss record with player development, there is an expectation of winning that comes from them like it or not. Oddly enough, the parents that express on message boards and in board meetings any other idealistic approach to coaching are the parents of kids that are serving penalties or not playing on the special teams. Anyone who thinks it is different than that, there is no point arguing with because they enjoy their head in the sand. They don't care how big the program is, they don't care if you have 20 kids tryout for your team or 100 kids tryout...parents want to win regardless. If you think there is any less expectation of winning at the peewee level than there is at the pro or college level then you are naive. So when there is 25 minutes in penalties for each team how much time do you think that 3rd line or 5th & 6th defenseman is going to get? Right, wrong or whatever this is reality. IMO, this will change back when Minnesota Hockey realizes its players are falling behind because it's players can't keep up with the rest of the country when it comes to physical play. Like it or not, the ideal hockey player comes out of Canada (just look at college & pro rosters if you need proof of that) Canadians even at the peewee level play a hard, physical, nasty style of hockey and that is the style that produces hockey players for the higher levels. Like it or not that is reality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for encouraging goon hockey but there needs to be a happy medium. As far as refs feeling that they can't win...I feel for the refs, this isn't their fault, this is a mandate from Minnesota Hockey, their hands are tied by how they are expected to call games. I've seen good referees who have called games for 20 years make these calls that they never would have made in previous years. As far as USA hockey changing this, don't hold your breath...this is a Minnesota thing & Minnesota alone.

Don't paint EVERYONE with your broad brush. I coach, I coach a pretty good soccer team that plays in a high level league and that is above .500 but is not "the best team around" either. I believe in development over winning. I'm not saying I don't have parents who push hard for winning but when given the chance you can show the long term results of developing an entire team and making incremental gains so that when they reach high school age they can win rather than not developing them at early ages just for the sake of winning meaningless U10 or U12 (aka pee wee and squirt aged) games. I know of a pee wee hockey team recently where one of their best players left the team. He was a leader on the PP and PK units was never on the short end of the bench and his parents took him out because the coach was shorting the bench and their kid was playing way too much and way too longof shifts and they felt it was hurting him and the team. Again I am not saying that what you are portraying does not exist but please don't paint everyone with that broad brush because here are alot of people who see it the other way and are not parents of 3rd liners or 6th defensemen. Not saying they are a majority but there are more than you think, not everyone is an over the top egomaniac who thinks their son or daughter is the next great thing, there are lots of balanced sensible parents with gifted ahtletes for children who see things differently than what you describe.....

Didn't say there weren't exceptions, but that is rare. As far as your soccer analogy goes apples to oranges, IMHO...maybe when there are 17,000 people watching the state soccer championship Ill change my feeling but as of now anyway, hockey is a different animal in this state. It also different because of the amount of money people put into the two sports. Hockey is always going to cost more simply because of the facility required for play, shoes vs. skates, etc. That cost makes people see hockey as more of an "investment" than any other sport in this state. (not saying this is right, just reality) Finally, I have 3 kids that play/played fairly high level traveling soccer as well and you have to admit, it is considerably easier to "hide" a weaker player or two on the soccer pitch than it is on he rink. However, I agree with your broad brush statement, there are certainly plenty of parents that have their kids involved simply because their kids love to play with no expectations that their kid is going to be the next Kyle Rau. With that being said, there are considerably more that go the other way...in my experience anyway. I bet we probably agree on the philosophy of what sports are or should be about and I bet MOST coaches feel the same way, but based on my observations over the years I think reality doesn't dictate that.

[JSR]

Don't disagree that "dangerous" hits should be severly penalized...problem is all hits are becoming serverly penalized. No one wants to see players getting hurt, unfortunately there are more getting hurt not physically, but rather their development. Until you take away the scoreboard, rankings and message boards, coaches are going to try and win, parents are going to push coaches to win and players are going to sit the bench. I love it when someone posts on here that all coaches want to do is win...that's all they care about! Have any of those people coached a team that isn't winning? Parents associate the win/loss record with player development, there is an expectation of winning that comes from them like it or not. Oddly enough, the parents that express on message boards and in board meetings any other idealistic approach to coaching are the parents of kids that are serving penalties or not playing on the special teams. Anyone who thinks it is different than that, there is no point arguing with because they enjoy their head in the sand. They don't care how big the program is, they don't care if you have 20 kids tryout for your team or 100 kids tryout...parents want to win regardless. If you think there is any less expectation of winning at the peewee level than there is at the pro or college level then you are naive. So when there is 25 minutes in penalties for each team how much time do you think that 3rd line or 5th & 6th defenseman is going to get? Right, wrong or whatever this is reality. IMO, this will change back when Minnesota Hockey realizes its players are falling behind because it's players can't keep up with the rest of the country when it comes to physical play. Like it or not, the ideal hockey player comes out of Canada (just look at college & pro rosters if you need proof of that) Canadians even at the peewee level play a hard, physical, nasty style of hockey and that is the style that produces hockey players for the higher levels. Like it or not that is reality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for encouraging goon hockey but there needs to be a happy medium. As far as refs feeling that they can't win...I feel for the refs, this isn't their fault, this is a mandate from Minnesota Hockey, their hands are tied by how they are expected to call games. I've seen good referees who have called games for 20 years make these calls that they never would have made in previous years. As far as USA hockey changing this, don't hold your breath...this is a Minnesota thing & Minnesota alone.

Don't paint EVERYONE with your broad brush. I coach, I coach a pretty good soccer team that plays in a high level league and that is above .500 but is not "the best team around" either. I believe in development over winning. I'm not saying I don't have parents who push hard for winning but when given the chance you can show the long term results of developing an entire team and making incremental gains so that when they reach high school age they can win rather than not developing them at early ages just for the sake of winning meaningless U10 or U12 (aka pee wee and squirt aged) games. I know of a pee wee hockey team recently where one of their best players left the team. He was a leader on the PP and PK units was never on the short end of the bench and his parents took him out because the coach was shorting the bench and their kid was playing way too much and way too longof shifts and they felt it was hurting him and the team. Again I am not saying that what you are portraying does not exist but please don't paint everyone with that broad brush because here are alot of people who see it the other way and are not parents of 3rd liners or 6th defensemen. Not saying they are a majority but there are more than you think, not everyone is an over the top egomaniac who thinks their son or daughter is the next great thing, there are lots of balanced sensible parents with gifted ahtletes for children who see things differently than what you describe.....

Didn't say there weren't exceptions, but that is rare. As far as your soccer analogy goes apples to oranges, IMHO...maybe when there are 17,000 people watching the state soccer championship Ill change my feeling but as of now anyway, hockey is a different animal in this state. It also different because of the amount of money people put into the two sports. Hockey is always going to cost more simply because of the facility required for play, shoes vs. skates, etc. That cost makes people see hockey as more of an "investment" than any other sport in this state. (not saying this is right, just reality) Finally, I have 3 kids that play/played fairly high level traveling soccer as well and you have to admit, it is considerably easier to "hide" a weaker player or two on the soccer pitch than it is on he rink. However, I agree with your broad brush statement, there are certainly plenty of parents that have their kids involved simply because their kids love to play with no expectations that their kid is going to be the next Kyle Rau. With that being said, there are considerably more that go the other way...in my experience anyway. I bet we probably agree on the philosophy of what sports are or should be about and I bet MOST coaches feel the same way, but based on my observations over the years I think reality doesn't dictate that.

I agree we probably agree on the philosophy but to address another poitn you made. My older sons travel soccer team (U13 team, and he is a pee wee age hockey player too) costs more than his hockey team. The "old days" of hockey being the most expensive sport are over. The reason his soccer team costs more is because they pay professional coaches to coach them. I live in WI not MN but I get that hockey is far more "popular" than any other sport up there in MN, sort of like football in Texas, I get it. But your assumption about "costs" and expectations based on those costs are maybe not applicable everywhere IMHO, actually in WI most of the state level competitive travel soccer teams cost alot more than association hockey teams (ie one of the better hockey associations in WI is the West Madison Polar Caps, there is a high level travel soccer program in Madison called the 56ers, to play soccer for the 56ers costs more than it does to play hockey for the Polar Caps) and the "cost" does drive parents to want "more" out of the experience for sure but the "more" they desire is the playing time and development not necessarily the wins, atleast in my experience. There are tons of sports that have surpassed hockey in costs by a long shot anymore due to travel, or equipment or coaches fees or whatever, actually I've crunched some numebers and hockey really is one of the best "values" as far as bang for your buck that you'll find anymore if you ammortize it over a season, just sayin.....

[dakotakid]

I still say the rule is to broad, my son got a five min. major and a game on a very routine check, the kid layed on the ice untile the trainer came and looked at him, then he got up and skated off the ice. He was out two shifts later. My son missed five periods of hockey. that doesn't seem right. We all know a bad hit when we see it, I saw a charging call that the kid looked like he was going to kill the other kid and he only got a two min. minor this rule is wrecking the game.

[luvuvgame]

There is no 10 minute penalty for boarding in any league. The options for minnesota hockey are 5 minute major or 5 minute major and game misconduct.

I would be interested if anyone out there is activly contact the MH board or doing any work at all to have the penaly times put back to 2 minute penalties. Or you do just come on this message board and piss and moan?

If a boarding call is called 5 + 10

and a kids is Laying on the ice for "effect"
he shouldn't be allowed to come back to the ice
until 2 things happen

1. checked by a doctor and cleared (that usually takes about 15 -20 mins)
2. or he sits for 20 mins to clear his head

let the kid decide I bet he doesn't lay there if he knows he or she is going to miss 1/2 the game for effect

Also since we are so concerned on player safety

If a kid is hit and goes down ....why don't they have to be checked by a doc to be cleared to play....kinda sounds like a double standard


I mean safety is 1st and foremost right?

Obviously you have never had to deal with the MH Board. It is one of the most closed off boards you'll ever see. In fact, the ONLY member I have dealt with over the last 25 years that is willing to listen is Mark Elliott out of District 16/Bemidji. Other than Mark, GOOD LUCK!

[luvuvgame]

Bottom line is this is a reaction to 1 tragic accident that happens about once every 15 years in this state. Even with STOP signs on jerseys (which btw, does anyone even realize these are on the jerseys anymore) or increased penalties this sad thing will happen again to some other unfortunate player. Hockey is a contact sport and accidents will happen...by making everything severe you minimize the effects punishment has on those that are TRULY agregus.

[BadgerBob82]

MN Hockey rulebook says:

C-F-B = 5+10 (count as 2+10 for Fair Play Points)
Boarding = 5 min major. No 10 minute.
Game misconduct can be assesed for any penalty.

So are refs giving a 10 also for boarding?

Also, I would say a difference between being injured and laying on the ice for a while. If a game misc is assessed for injured player, then the player wouldn't return to the ice?

[dakotakid]

If the player returns to the ice the game misconduct should be changed, the ref can do that even after the game.

[BadgerBob82]

Calling penalties is obviously hard and takes split second judgement. But the overaction for CFB and Boarding is silly.

I think we could all understand a 2-hand baseball swing slash would be called a 5 minute major and a game misc.

But the automatic nature of a 5+10 for CFB is foolish and has caused refs to call roughing, cross-checking and even interference to avoid the 5+10. MN Hockey tried to take away the Boarding as an option from calling CFB, so again, the inability of refs to make the right call has led to these changes.

[the_juiceman]

MN Hockey rulebook says:

C-F-B = 5+10 (count as 2+10 for Fair Play Points)
Boarding = 5 min major. No 10 minute.
Game misconduct can be assesed for any penalty.

So are refs giving a 10 also for boarding?

Also, I would say a difference between being injured and laying on the ice for a while. If a game misc is assessed for injured player, then the player wouldn't return to the ice?

I thought they changed the rule last year to a 5+10 for CFB, boarding & head contact? Did it get adjusted back?

[Bleed Maroon and Gold]

Last season the changes were as follows

MSHSL Checking from behind 5 +10
Boarding 5
Head Contact 5

MN Youth Hockey

Checking from Behind 5 + 10
Boarding 5
Head contact 2