Section 3A (2012-13 Season)

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:29 pm

Teak wrote:
CherryPicker99 wrote:Gr8ness why Don't you think any of these teams are state caliber? Just curious as to what makes a state caliber team. Teak, don't you have the thread on freshman scoring? If so, Chaz Smedsrud will be playing tomorrow. I would bet you can add a couple more points to his stats tomorrow.
Yup. That's why I'm going to watch!

You shouldn't of been disappointed in his performance this evening.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:33 am

notTONIGHT wrote:
Teak wrote:
CherryPicker99 wrote:Gr8ness why Don't you think any of these teams are state caliber? Just curious as to what makes a state caliber team. Teak, don't you have the thread on freshman scoring? If so, Chaz Smedsrud will be playing tomorrow. I would bet you can add a couple more points to his stats tomorrow.
Yup. That's why I'm going to watch!
You shouldn't of been disappointed in his performance this evening.

I wasn't. Luverne spanked Marshall 7-0 in an easy win with Chaz getting the hat-trick, goals #2, #3, and #4 in the game. I left with 4 minutes left, running time, and the game 6-0, and just read that Luverne scored again on the PP with Smedsrud picking up an assist. So, a 4-point game was had by him.

Luverne looks to be the best squad in the SW corner of the state and has a good mix of frosh, sophomores, juniors and seniors. In addition to Smedsrud, there is another 9th grader dressing and they have a good sophomore defenseman in Toby Sengvongxay. Smedsrud plays on what appears to be the second line, on right wing, with Logan Norman (junior) centering that line (1g, 3a in this game).

Marshall, on the other hand, is laden with seniors and doesn't appear to have much talent up-and-coming (sorry to say). (Luverne JV 2-0 winners.) They are also fairly poorly coached (IMHO) which is evidenced by poor discipline in their defensive zone positioning, inability to break out of the def zone, and breakdown near the end with stupid penalties.

timcorbin21 · Post by **timcorbin21** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:53 am

No doubt Luverne is the strongest in the SW corner. They've been working toward it. Last night was predictable. At the Schwans cup Luverne beat Winona by 7 while Marshall was only able to tie Winona.
Marshalls lack of discipline is a part of a legacy from their prior coach. Hopefully that will get better. A more athletic net minder might help give Marshall the confidence to move out of their own zone. Too often in small towns the worst athlete wears the goalie pads, its a mistake.

CornontheCobb · Post by **CornontheCobb** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:13 am

timcorbin21 wrote:No doubt Luverne is the strongest in the SW corner. They've been working toward it. Last night was predictable. At the Schwans cup Luverne beat Winona by 7 while Marshall was only able to tie Winona.
Marshalls lack of discipline is a part of a legacy from their prior coach. Hopefully that will get better. A more athletic net minder might help give Marshall the confidence to move out of their own zone. Too often in small towns the worst athlete wears the goalie pads, its a mistake.

tim corbin.....do you have any idea of what you are saying???? just because marshall ties winona and luvurne wins by 7 doesnt say much...you forgot to mention winona played there 2nd string goalie and practically every shot went in the net. i watched the game at the schwans cup obviously luvurne was better.
and by saying marshalls goalie is unathletic is just ridiculous..didn't marshall beat luvurne 4-1 and Campion had 31 saves or so in that game? doesn't sound too unathletic to me. i watched the game yesterday by marshall. was a complete joke. it wasn't the goalies fault, it was the fact that Marshall had no idea how to actually play defense. was probably the worst defensive game ive ever seen played. terrible angles to the puck, not getting puck out of zone, not active sticks, no taking men off puck or using the body no desire to go into the corner and get the puck. absolutely stupid penalties. i think it really shows a lack of knowledge for you to blame the goalie for marshall's loss. the goalie is an easy blame because he is the one who really looks bad, but most the time when a goalie looks bad, the whole team looks worse. Granted he did not play very good, but the whole team played worse. when the team plays as bad as marshall did yesterday it is really hard to not get pounded and look bad as a goalie. but to say what you said is just ridiculous.

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:35 pm

Both Marshall and Luverne didn't look that great last night. It was sloppy game for the first two periods. I wonder how that Marshall team beat Luverne 4-1 in the first outing. Luverne has much better talent from what I saw last night.

Bettman's Bender · Post by **Bettman's Bender** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:11 pm

This thread never fails. Thought about holding my tongue this year but I can't resist.

After watching a number of games this past month it didn't take me long to realize that the overall level of play of this section has fallen drastically. It is considerably humbling because this section has never been good relative to the rest of the state.

Marshall is falling fast and there doesnt seem to be any help in years to come. I dont think any of Marshall's youth teams even have a winning record.

After spending the past few years in the Fargo-Moorhead area (where the hockey is the culture) I have a newfound appreciation for the instruction that I had playing for someone like Kori Pearson. However, it seems the political lunacy has driven him to greener pastures (East Ridge HS) and left the rest of the people who are in fact knowledgable, apathetic. To say any of Marshall's problems this season are a result of the previous coach is not accurate. Most of Marshall's current high school players were actually coached by Coudert coming up through Bantams. The fruit of Marshalls team is reaped from Coudert's labor. Marshall hockey might have some pretty nice jerseys, but don't be fooled, it's falling apart.

Last night Marshall showed a lack of discipline, was absolutely atrocious in the D-zone, and MAYBE created 3 scoring chances all game. I havent read the article in the newspaper yet but I suspect the head coach has some excuse for the team, just as he has for every other game they have lost, including being TIRED?!?! 4 games into the season after the lost to New Ulm. Maybe he should just focus on teaching his kids an efficient breakout, matching lines so you dont get toasted by the same line all game, or skating the puke out of his team because they were dog tired by the time the 2nd period came around.

Luverne has some athletes. They have as much talent as anyone in the section but I suspect they will be out-gamed by Hutch or NU. Teams with good coaching. The Luverne swedish torpedo break and forecheck will easily be trapped and reversed by a team like Hutch that can execute their coaches schemes.

For the Record.... If you want to have success, the most athletic kid on your team should be your goalie.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:02 pm

Here is part of what Marshall coach was quoted as saying by the Marshall Independent:

"They're good at moving the puck and attacking the puck and going after it," Coudert said of the [Luverne] Cardinals. "We got pinned down in our zone and couldn't get it out. They're good at moving it around and always having a player in the right position to always keep the puck down in our zone."

Pinned down in the defensive zone ... opposition had a player in the right position (and you didn't?) ...

I have seen Marshall play three times this season and EACH game they have struggled to break out of the def zone. In one game (away to LeSueur-Hend-St. Peter), I counted ten times at least that the forwards -not under pressure and deep in the corners- simply threw the puck out to the LHSP defensemen on the points. If LHSP had scored on one of those shots, I would have given an assist to the Marshall player.

Marshall needs to play their wingers higher along the boards in the def zone, closer to the points. This is a no-brainer and about the first thing one learns about team play...unless you were in amongst the goalies during your ice hockey experience.

kittykatattack · Post by **kittykatattack** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:14 pm

Blaming the previous coach and the goalie, is timcorbin21 an alias for Coudert

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:54 am

CornontheCobb wrote:
timcorbin21 wrote:No doubt Luverne is the strongest in the SW corner. They've been working toward it. Last night was predictable. At the Schwans cup Luverne beat Winona by 7 while Marshall was only able to tie Winona.
Marshalls lack of discipline is a part of a legacy from their prior coach. Hopefully that will get better. A more athletic net minder might help give Marshall the confidence to move out of their own zone. Too often in small towns the worst athlete wears the goalie pads, its a mistake.
tim corbin.....do you have any idea of what you are saying???? just because marshall ties winona and luvurne wins by 7 doesnt say much...you forgot to mention winona played there 2nd string goalie and practically every shot went in the net. i watched the game at the schwans cup obviously luvurne was better.
and by saying marshalls goalie is unathletic is just ridiculous..didn't marshall beat luvurne 4-1 and Campion had 31 saves or so in that game? doesn't sound too unathletic to me. i watched the game yesterday by marshall. was a complete joke. it wasn't the goalies fault, it was the fact that Marshall had no idea how to actually play defense. was probably the worst defensive game ive ever seen played. terrible angles to the puck, not getting puck out of zone, not active sticks, no taking men off puck or using the body no desire to go into the corner and get the puck. absolutely stupid penalties. i think it really shows a lack of knowledge for you to blame the goalie for marshall's loss. the goalie is an easy blame because he is the one who really looks bad, but most the time when a goalie looks bad, the whole team looks worse. Granted he did not play very good, but the whole team played worse. when the team plays as bad as marshall did yesterday it is really hard to not get pounded and look bad as a goalie. but to say what you said is just ridiculous.

Hey cornonthecobb, you still stand by your statement from the old thread saying wenninger wont make a difference in the score? Appears as though that was close to as ridiculous as a Section3Ahockeyscout statement.

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:02 am

Welcome back Bettman.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:16 am

CherryPicker99 wrote:Welcome back Bettman.

Cheers to bettmans return!

CornontheCobb · Post by **CornontheCobb** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:32 pm

notTONIGHT wrote:
CornontheCobb wrote:
timcorbin21 wrote:No doubt Luverne is the strongest in the SW corner. They've been working toward it. Last night was predictable. At the Schwans cup Luverne beat Winona by 7 while Marshall was only able to tie Winona.
Marshalls lack of discipline is a part of a legacy from their prior coach. Hopefully that will get better. A more athletic net minder might help give Marshall the confidence to move out of their own zone. Too often in small towns the worst athlete wears the goalie pads, its a mistake.
tim corbin.....do you have any idea of what you are saying???? just because marshall ties winona and luvurne wins by 7 doesnt say much...you forgot to mention winona played there 2nd string goalie and practically every shot went in the net. i watched the game at the schwans cup obviously luvurne was better.
and by saying marshalls goalie is unathletic is just ridiculous..didn't marshall beat luvurne 4-1 and Campion had 31 saves or so in that game? doesn't sound too unathletic to me. i watched the game yesterday by marshall. was a complete joke. it wasn't the goalies fault, it was the fact that Marshall had no idea how to actually play defense. was probably the worst defensive game ive ever seen played. terrible angles to the puck, not getting puck out of zone, not active sticks, no taking men off puck or using the body no desire to go into the corner and get the puck. absolutely stupid penalties. i think it really shows a lack of knowledge for you to blame the goalie for marshall's loss. the goalie is an easy blame because he is the one who really looks bad, but most the time when a goalie looks bad, the whole team looks worse. Granted he did not play very good, but the whole team played worse. when the team plays as bad as marshall did yesterday it is really hard to not get pounded and look bad as a goalie. but to say what you said is just ridiculous.
Hey cornonthecobb, you still stand by your statement from the old thread saying wenninger wont make a difference in the score? Appears as though that was close to as ridiculous as a Section3Ahockeyscout statement.

Yeah I still stand by my comment. I don't think the difference in the game was one player. Not all the. The difference was Marshall played absolutely no D. Having one player back does change a game, but not 7 goals. I watched the game. Yeah wenniger is a good player, but wenninger is not the reason luvurne won. Luvurne won because Marshall played like absolutely crap and luvurne was just a better team.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:44 pm

CornontheCobb wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote:
CornontheCobb wrote: tim corbin.....do you have any idea of what you are saying???? just because marshall ties winona and luvurne wins by 7 doesnt say much...you forgot to mention winona played there 2nd string goalie and practically every shot went in the net. i watched the game at the schwans cup obviously luvurne was better.
and by saying marshalls goalie is unathletic is just ridiculous..didn't marshall beat luvurne 4-1 and Campion had 31 saves or so in that game? doesn't sound too unathletic to me. i watched the game yesterday by marshall. was a complete joke. it wasn't the goalies fault, it was the fact that Marshall had no idea how to actually play defense. was probably the worst defensive game ive ever seen played. terrible angles to the puck, not getting puck out of zone, not active sticks, no taking men off puck or using the body no desire to go into the corner and get the puck. absolutely stupid penalties. i think it really shows a lack of knowledge for you to blame the goalie for marshall's loss. the goalie is an easy blame because he is the one who really looks bad, but most the time when a goalie looks bad, the whole team looks worse. Granted he did not play very good, but the whole team played worse. when the team plays as bad as marshall did yesterday it is really hard to not get pounded and look bad as a goalie. but to say what you said is just ridiculous.
Hey cornonthecobb, you still stand by your statement from the old thread saying wenninger wont make a difference in the score? Appears as though that was close to as ridiculous as a Section3Ahockeyscout statement.
Yeah I still stand by my comment. I don't think the difference in the game was one player. Not all the. The difference was Marshall played absolutely no D. Having one player back does change a game, but not 7 goals. I watched the game. Yeah wenniger is a good player, but wenninger is not the reason luvurne won. Luvurne won because Marshall played like absolutely crap and luvurne was just a better team.

Oh, right, and taking a top line center off of a "team"doesn't affect team dynamics? Not only him but two more to nine forwards? Cmon man, you can't be serious. I'm not claiming he was going to score seven goals, but the Luverne team without wennimger and the other guys was drastically different. Would have taken herb Brooks to scheme a game with the talent gap Luverne has over Marshall..

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:11 am

Whats going on in Hutch? Did I see that their record is 2-10-0?

On another note I see Luverne put up 86 shots on net last night against Fairmont. Has anyone ever seen more SOG? Still trying to figure out how the score was only 8-0.

CornontheCobb · Post by **CornontheCobb** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:31 am

CherryPicker99 wrote:Whats going on in Hutch? Did I see that their record is 2-10-0?

On another note I see Luverne put up 86 shots on net last night against Fairmont. Has anyone ever seen more SOG? Still trying to figure out how the score was only 8-0.

Yeah hutch could very well be 2-10. I think you have to look at who they have been playing though. They aren't playing in the southwest conference where more than half the teams can't skate. They play in the wright county conference against teams like holy family, delano, mound. There isn't any slacking or easy team in their conference. There record may look bad but they are playing good teams so you gotta give them some credit

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:41 am

CornontheCobb wrote:
CherryPicker99 wrote:Whats going on in Hutch? Did I see that their record is 2-10-0?

On another note I see Luverne put up 86 shots on net last night against Fairmont. Has anyone ever seen more SOG? Still trying to figure out how the score was only 8-0.
Yeah hutch could very well be 2-10. I think you have to look at who they have been playing though. They aren't playing in the southwest conference where more than half the teams can't skate. They play in the wright county conference against teams like holy family, delano, mound. There isn't any slacking or easy team in their conference. There record may look bad but they are playing good teams so you gotta give them some credit

Hutch got beat by Litchfield, and Marshall. Neither of those are any where close to quality losses. Two wins is two wins. Where is the guy who had the"feeling"about his hutch squad? Maybe that"feeling" was a bowel movement?

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:08 pm

CherryPicker99 wrote:Whats going on in Hutch? Did I see that their record is 2-10-0?

On another note I see Luverne put up 86 shots on net last night against Fairmont. Has anyone ever seen more SOG? Still trying to figure out how the score was only 8-0.

There were over 100 shots on goal for River Lakes against Becker/Big Lake about two years ago in playoffs.

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Thanks for the post gr8ness. That is a outrageous amount of shots for one game. What was the final?

SEpuck · Post by **SEpuck** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:33 pm

New Ulm gets beat 5-3 by a 4-10 Dodge County squad? Ugh this section could be in trouble...

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:57 pm

Really! New Ulm shouldn't lose that game. They must be way down this year.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:06 pm

CherryPicker99 wrote:Thanks for the post gr8ness. That is a outrageous amount of shots for one game. What was the final?

4-3 (River Lakes) and the final shots were 106-45. It went into overtime.

CherryPicker99 · Post by **CherryPicker99** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Did anyone see the New Ulm vs Lourdes game? I saw the game was tied at 3 and the final ended up 7-3. That would have been a nice Section 3A win if they could have pulled it out.

I see Luverne has a big game this weekend. They are traveling to Princeton on Saturday. Princeton, according to followthepuck.com, is ranked 10th in class A. These two teams have played the last two years and Luverne leads the series 1-0-1. This will be a tough game for them.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:22 pm

CherryPicker99 wrote:Did anyone see the New Ulm vs Lourdes game? I saw the game was tied at 3 and the final ended up 7-3. That would have been a nice Section 3A win if they could have pulled it out.

I see Luverne has a big game this weekend. They are traveling to Princeton on Saturday. Princeton, according to followthepuck.com, is ranked 10th in class A. These two teams have played the last two years and Luverne leads the series 1-0-1. This will be a tough game for them.

Section 3A does not have a win that could be called a "nice win" yet. Blake, a section 2A school with almost three times as many losses as it does wins, plays New Ulm Saturday and Hutch on Tuesday. I wont be surprised if blake wins both.
Luverne has some bad luck with their friday night game being cancelled due to snow, and heading into a game with 10th ranked princeton in their house. Could be a tough run for 3A.

woodpencil · Post by **woodpencil** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:31 pm

Princeton is 12 according to the hub

How did Marshall only beat Worthington by 3? New coach wreaking havoc? seems like they returned a lot of kids that should score???

Wondering about the Litch/Hutch game...Hutch outshot LDC by quite a bit - didn't expect to see a win by LDC.

Big week coming up for many 3a teams - do agree, section is weaker.

kittykatattack · Post by **kittykatattack** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:54 pm

Dave coudert=Busch league

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