private recruiting

Nostalgic Nerd · Post by **Nostalgic Nerd** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:05 pm

For clarification: Are you bothered by the practice of any recruiting, or the degree of recruiting that private schools partake?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:07 pm

Nostalgic Nerd wrote:For clarification: Are you bothered by the practice of any recruiting, or the degree of recruiting that private schools partake?

No

PuckSwami · Post by **PuckSwami** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:10 pm

Not as long as private schools are in AA.

How about recruiting by public schools?

Nostalgic Nerd · Post by **Nostalgic Nerd** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:15 pm

PuckSwami wrote:Not as long as private schools are in AA.

How about recruiting by public schools?

Yes, I'm baiting the anti-private people. I'm not saying there isn't a difference between public and private, but I am suggesting that if recruiting is the issue than all teams need to be under the same scrutiny irregardless of the degree they recruit. That means, yes, Roseau and Warroad, and I'm baiting because deep down I think it's about the removal of privates. People don't really wanna hear that those two teams might be recruiting, even if it's a little. IMO of course.

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Recruit or not, I've always thought it would be better to have a Prep School League that would particpate with other privates and then ultimately for Nationals. The East Coast and Central Midwest (Illinois, Ohio, etc.) has some great prep school leagues. In Minnesota, the proportion of privates being successful is a good indicator of why they should consider this. Right now, of the approximately 155 High Schools that have hockey programs, about 12% are privates, yet they hold 40% of the top teams in A and about 30% overall. That's a HUGE disparity. This trend has been on a growth curve for some time now. Girls are equally as disproportionate. I would also argue that despite the "recruiting" that goes on at public schools, it is far more effective and prevalent at the private level. IMO, by removing the preps and having them particpate like Shattuck in Nationals we would have a much stronger State Tournament and public school participation because no matter what, it is still the envy of the country and Nationals holds no water here in MN...

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:52 pm

Personally I don't see any harm in recruiting, as long as it isn't tied to a financial consideration. I don't like seeing any unnecessary restrictions placed on free speech, and this is no way resembles shouting "fire" in a movie theater.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:57 pm

Hard water fan wrote: In Minnesota, the proportion of privates being successful is a good indicator of why they should consider this. Right now, of the approximately 155 High Schools that have hockey programs, about 12% are privates, yet they hold 40% of the top teams in A and about 30% overall. That's a HUGE disparity. This trend has been on a growth curve for some time now.

Private schools are growing, and not just athletically. My opinion of the whole thing, while I get slammed for having it, is that the issue is not with hockey, it is with the schools in general.
I think the downward trend of hockey (quality and numbers) in mpls/st paul high schools despite the youth associations not being terrible and hockey players residing in the cities speaks to part of this.

You fix the issues, which we aren't, the trend to head to privates would stop. It'd be great if people would stop hiding behind "the R-word" and fix the actual issues, but,unfortunately, I don't see that happening in hockey anytime soon.

PuckSwami · Post by **PuckSwami** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:10 pm

[quote="HShockeywatcher"]
Private schools are growing, and not just athletically. My opinion of the whole thing, while I get slammed for having it, is that the issue is not with hockey, it is with the schools in general.
I think the downward trend of hockey (quality and numbers) in mpls/st paul high schools despite the youth associations not being terrible and hockey players residing in the cities speaks to part of this.

You fix the issues, which we aren't, the trend to head to privates would stop. It'd be great if people would stop hiding behind "the R-word" and fix the actual issues, but,unfortunately, I don't see that happening in hockey anytime soon.

[/quote]

Quality of education, coaching, and politics?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:23 pm

PuckSwami wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Private schools are growing, and not just athletically. My opinion of the whole thing, while I get slammed for having it, is that the issue is not with hockey, it is with the schools in general.
I think the downward trend of hockey (quality and numbers) in mpls/st paul high schools despite the youth associations not being terrible and hockey players residing in the cities speaks to part of this.

You fix the issues, which we aren't, the trend to head to privates would stop. It'd be great if people would stop hiding behind "the R-word" and fix the actual issues, but,unfortunately, I don't see that happening in hockey anytime soon.
Quality of education [system], coaching, and politics?

The politics in the public system are much of the issue, yes.

thestickler07 · Post by **thestickler07** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:31 pm

Thank god we got another thread on this under-discussed issue.

BlueLineSpecial · Post by **BlueLineSpecial** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:39 pm

Just make 3 classes already. A, AA, Prep. Each class has their own sections/state tourney. A tourney winner plays AA tourney winner for the right to play prep tourney winner for state champion. That way I wouldn't have to hear about this topic ad nauseum year after year after bleeping year

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:41 pm

No politics at the privates ??

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:45 pm

For the most part I don't believe the privates are recruiting in the typical sense. The attrition from public schools has more to do with greener pastures athletically, or academically, with the answer being based on how candid the person your asking is and if they play hockey.

Private rinks provide more ice time and a different experience in general. Let's face it, it's a competitive world out there and we all want little Johnny (or Julie) to have their chance at the golden ring, whatever that ring is...

Zamman · Post by **Zamman** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:10 pm

Cmon people. First off please define your idea of recruiting?
All the private schools recruit. That is how they get their students. They travel to all the private grade schools and recruit them to come and visit the school and hopefully get them to apply to the school.
If you look at them recruiting athletically then you will be hard to find a school public or private that does not do it or one that you can prove there is this wrong-doing.
Look at who is moving from school to school, you will hear all sorts of excuses and no one can prove otherwise.
Fact is this practice will continue to happen. It is all cyclical. Schools do well for many years then are down, then back up again. Happens in public and private....

urban iceman · Post by **urban iceman** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:41 pm

How many "move in's" that are playing for EP/ Be nice to know how many DID NOT make the team after they were (A-hem') asked to come try-out through the years!!

fourthlinegrinder · Post by **fourthlinegrinder** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:19 pm

I have seen Holy Family, Benilde, and Breck in rinks all over the upper midwest they recruit like junior teams.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:09 pm

Some of the posters on here would be amazed at the number of 12-14 year old Hockey players with standing offers from private schools. The recruiting is heavy and that's why you're seeing the balance of power tilting to the private schools.

It's just the way things are now.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:35 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:
Hard water fan wrote: In Minnesota, the proportion of privates being successful is a good indicator of why they should consider this. Right now, of the approximately 155 High Schools that have hockey programs, about 12% are privates, yet they hold 40% of the top teams in A and about 30% overall. That's a HUGE disparity. This trend has been on a growth curve for some time now.
Private schools are growing, and not just athletically. My opinion of the whole thing, while I get slammed for having it, is that the issue is not with hockey, it is with the schools in general.
I think the downward trend of hockey (quality and numbers) in mpls/st paul high schools despite the youth associations not being terrible and hockey players residing in the cities speaks to part of this.

You fix the issues, which we aren't, the trend to head to privates would stop. It'd be great if people would stop hiding behind "the R-word" and fix the actual issues, but,unfortunately, I don't see that happening in hockey anytime soon.

Are you actually saying that STA gets quality Hockey players to come there for the reason of getting away from a bad scholastic situation? They are leaving the company of girls for the regimented school life of STA?

They've gone to STA for one reason - And one reason only. They've gone there because it's given them the best odds of fulfilling their childhood dream of playing in the State Hockey Tournament even though they knew the team they were on was sandbagging.

Wake up! HILL MURRAY has girls..... Down goes STA after the Sophmore group in AA. My mission is accomplished!!!

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:42 pm

I didn't mention any specific schools in my post and the issues are not about any specific schools. Being disrespectful and name calling doesn't change the issues at hand.

And no, that is not what I am saying. My opinion has been formed over spending time in both systems. It's unfortunate that instead of fixing issues that exist, people want to play the blame game, which accomplishes nothing.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:46 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:I didn't mention any specific schools in my post and the issues are not about any specific schools. Being disrespectful and name calling doesn't change the issues at hand.

And no, that is not what I am saying. My opinion has been formed over spending time in both systems. It's unfortunate that instead of fixing issues that exist, people want to play the blame game, which accomplishes nothing.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:10 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:I didn't mention any specific schools in my post and the issues are not about any specific schools. Being disrespectful and name calling doesn't change the issues at hand.

And no, that is not what I am saying. My opinion has been formed over spending time in both systems. It's unfortunate that instead of fixing issues that exist, people want to play the blame game, which accomplishes nothing.

You cast, they bite.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:15 pm

Most people believe that recruiting a person to a private school entails free tuition. If that was the case, Wahlin (WBL) would be at HM right now. He & his dad wanted to be at HM in the worst way. When it was all said & done, they just couldn't come up with the money to send him there.

Nice hockey player & from what I hear, an even better kid. Would have looked great in green, but it didn't work out. If recruting meant free tutition, he would be at a private school.

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:32 pm

One topic devoted to trashing private schools wasn't enough?

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29547

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