A teams beating AA teams

[LowLight21]

Again, I think it's important that we differentiate between Tier 1 A (1-17) and Tier 2 A (18-34). There are plenty of Tier 1 A teams that compete well against AA. However, Tier 2 A for the most part struggles against AA.

[MrBoDangles]

Stats compiled from district 10 website:

Bantam AA record vs A in D10 games - 13-0-1
AA has out scored A 89-15

Pee Wee AA record vs A in D10 games - 16-2-2
AA has out scored A 118-17
The two wins both belong to SLP A team and the same AA association has both of the ties on their record

Those involved in the decision to have a split schedule for D10 AA/A games should resign out of embarrassment.

What I find even more interesting is a review of D10 board meeting minutes from December meeting makes no mention of this ill decided disparity.... Lets just close out eyes and pretend this isn't happening...

Tonight at Bantams Elk River AA plays Elk River A, can anyone give me any rationale as to why this game makes any sense?????

Have we come up with a fine amount yet to give to District 10 for letting these teams play each other?

[Bleed Maroon and Gold]

[quote="MrBoDangles"][quote="helightsthelamp"]Stats compiled from district 10 website:

Bantam AA record vs A in D10 games - 13-0-1
AA has out scored A 89-15

Pee Wee AA record vs A in D10 games - 16-2-2
AA has out scored A 118-17
The two wins both belong to SLP A team and the same AA association has both of the ties on their record

Those involved in the decision to have a split schedule for D10 AA/A games should resign out of embarrassment.

What I find even more interesting is a review of D10 board meeting minutes from December meeting makes no mention of this ill decided disparity.... Lets just close out eyes and pretend this isn't happening...

Tonight at Bantams Elk River AA plays Elk River A, can anyone give me any rationale as to why this game makes any sense?????[/quote]

Have we come up with a fine amount yet to give to District 10 for letting these teams play each other?[/quote]


Sure whatever you make up to make you happy. In the long run the district will raise the fee's to cover the fine anyway.

[helightsthelamp]

Not sure why I still read this propaganda, but I guess I do....
In the latest issue article titled Road to State, D10 Director Tim Timm is quoted in the magazine "for league play, we have started scheduling each A team to play each AA team once and play the other teams in their tournament class twice," confirms Timm.
"We are already seeing results that show this strategy is helping us develop better hockey players."

Mr. Timm, would you care to share what results we are seeing that is developing better hockey players? The results I am seeing are lopsided games that are detrimental to development. Please enlighten us as I would like to understand how this has helped develop better hockey players...words are easy to print, to back them up with results is another thing....

I have posted the lopsided stats, but here is another way to look at it
10 of 56 games decided by 2 or less goals (what I would consider a close game) or, basically 1 in 5 games resulted in a close game. On the flip side 30 of 56 games decided by 5 goals or more (what I would consider a blow-out when AA teams faces A team....

[DrGaf]

In the latest issue article titled Road to State, D10 Director Tim Timm is quoted in the magazine "for league play, we have started scheduling each A team to play each AA team once and play the other teams in their tournament class twice," confirms Timm.
"We are already seeing results that show this strategy is helping us develop better hockey players."

Mr. Timm, would you care to share what results we are seeing that is developing better hockey players?

What the hell is he basing this on? From what I've heard the D10 associations are arm in arm to avoid this insanity next year. I know multiple coaches across the district and a couple board members here and there that are all saying that this will NOT happen next year.

... I guess we'll see then.

[loveitorleaveit]

Not sure why I still read this propaganda, but I guess I do....
In the latest issue article titled Road to State, D10 Director Tim Timm is quoted in the magazine "for league play, we have started scheduling each A team to play each AA team once and play the other teams in their tournament class twice," confirms Timm.
"We are already seeing results that show this strategy is helping us develop better hockey players."

Mr. Timm, would you care to share what results we are seeing that is developing better hockey players? The results I am seeing are lopsided games that are detrimental to development. Please enlighten us as I would like to understand how this has helped develop better hockey players...words are easy to print, to back them up with results is another thing....

I have posted the lopsided stats, but here is another way to look at it
10 of 56 games decided by 2 or less goals (what I would consider a close game) or, basically 1 in 5 games resulted in a close game. On the flip side 30 of 56 games decided by 5 goals or more (what I would consider a blow-out when AA teams faces A team....

Overall stats
AA 365 goals
A 80 goals

Record AA 51-4-1

[Reincarnated]

Not sure why I still read this propaganda, but I guess I do....
In the latest issue article titled Road to State, D10 Director Tim Timm is quoted in the magazine "for league play, we have started scheduling each A team to play each AA team once and play the other teams in their tournament class twice," confirms Timm.
"We are already seeing results that show this strategy is helping us develop better hockey players."

Mr. Timm, would you care to share what results we are seeing that is developing better hockey players? The results I am seeing are lopsided games that are detrimental to development. Please enlighten us as I would like to understand how this has helped develop better hockey players...words are easy to print, to back them up with results is another thing....

I have posted the lopsided stats, but here is another way to look at it
10 of 56 games decided by 2 or less goals (what I would consider a close game) or, basically 1 in 5 games resulted in a close game. On the flip side 30 of 56 games decided by 5 goals or more (what I would consider a blow-out when AA teams faces A team....

Overall stats
AA 365 goals
A 80 goals

Record AA 51-4-1

Lets add to it that in the next few weeks Advanced 15 invites will go out. Each of the Single "A" teams is going to be able to send 2 kids to 15s tryouts including Elk River, Blaine, Centennial. This will be taking spots from the "AA" teams. So in essence 2 kids from Centennial, Blaine, and Elk Rivers "A" teams will get the chance to tryout for the District's 15s squad and there will be 98s from those "AA" teams that will not get a chance.

Good thinking guys!!!!

[old goalie85]

That is wrong. I could see if they didn't have a AA team.

[observer]

Lets add to it that in the next few weeks Advanced 15 invites will go out. Each of the Single "A" teams is going to be able to send 2 kids to 15s tryouts including Elk River, Blaine, Centennial. This will be taking spots from the "AA" teams. So in essence 2 kids from Centennial, Blaine, and Elk Rivers "A" teams will get the chance to tryout for the District's 15s squad and there will be 98s from those "AA" teams that will not get a chance.

Good thinking guys!!!!

I doubt that is true. There will be no one invited from single A teams if the association has a AA team. That would be nuts. You mentioned 98s specifically. Ultimately the District wants the best 40 skaters from any single birth year. Previously if a district can't find 40 skaters from the highest level teams then they have dropped down.

[greybeard58]

The District added invites so that the top teams would not be affected. The District has had a policy for years that no mater where you are in the standings you would have at least 2 players the coach could send. The last few years as more teams were registered as A Bantams the number of guaranteed invites were increased. The number of spots available to the top teams have not changed. This only is for skaters all A Bantam goalies can attend if sent by their coach. If a coach chooses not to send the allotted number or there are more spots available than the team has players eligible then the next team down could have more to send. If you want further information you could contact the A Bantam league coordinator or the District Administrative Assistant.

[sinbin]

My son has been out of youth hockey for 2 years now and it appears he got out in the nick of time. What a mess.

[greybeard58]

The minimum number of invites is 40 skater plus goalies. The policy has been published in their handbook all year long. The qualified High school players are not counted in the 40 number.

[MrBoDangles]

Lets add to it that in the next few weeks Advanced 15 invites will go out. Each of the Single "A" teams is going to be able to send 2 kids to 15s tryouts including Elk River, Blaine, Centennial. This will be taking spots from the "AA" teams. So in essence 2 kids from Centennial, Blaine, and Elk Rivers "A" teams will get the chance to tryout for the District's 15s squad and there will be 98s from those "AA" teams that will not get a chance.

Good thinking guys!!!!

I doubt that is true. There will be no one invited from single A teams if the association has a AA team. That would be nuts. You mentioned 98s specifically. Ultimately the District wants the best 40 skaters from any single birth year. Previously if a district can't find 40 skaters from the highest level teams then they have dropped down.

It's TRUE that these larger association's second teams will get invites for tryouts.

You're better off being a first liner on the second than you are being a second liner on the first team.......

Do you hear the Twilight Zone music playing??

[BluehawkHockey]

Here's a question. With Minneapolis Storm having 7 Peewee Teams and 4 Bantam teams, why don't they have to have a AA team? Look at other associations like Jefferson (2 Bantam and 3 Peewee), Centennial (5 Bantam and 5 Peewee), Blaine (4 Bantam and 4 Peewee), Woodbury (6 Bantam and 7 Peewee). The Storm have just as many teams and are pulling from a huge base. At what point does MNH look at them as a co-op and put them at the correct level, AA? Like St. Francis/Irondale. Neither is large enough to be AA, but together, they are.

[Bluewhitefan]

Here's a question. With Minneapolis Storm having 7 Peewee Teams and 4 Bantam teams, why don't they have to have a AA team? Look at other associations like Jefferson (2 Bantam and 3 Peewee), Centennial (5 Bantam and 5 Peewee), Blaine (4 Bantam and 4 Peewee), Woodbury (6 Bantam and 7 Peewee). The Storm have just as many teams and are pulling from a huge base. At what point does MNH look at them as a co-op and put them at the correct level, AA? Like St. Francis/Irondale. Neither is large enough to be AA, but together, they are.

Agree with your point generally, but who is Mpls co-opting with? The SLP partnership ended a couple years ago.

[BluehawkHockey]

They don't co-op with anyone. However, I believe they basically cover all of the MPLS school district which has multiple high schools. Now those high schools don't have hockey but the point is they can draw from a large population to field teams. I guess it is similar to Osseo Maple Grove. As a youth association, it covers multiple high schools. So should the AA/A designation be based on number of kids or based on the size of the high school. Certainly if you based it on the Novas co-op, it is large enough to be AA.

[The Trap]

I don't care where you are drawing from. If you have 7 Pee Wee teams wouldn't you want to field a AA and A team at the very least??

[summer]

Sibley Peewee A (2:2) over Farmington Peewee AA (0:5). Freddie picked Sibley the best team in district 8 (a and aa).

Farmington is not very good. Their best four players went up to play varsity, only two of them should have. The bantam team was not very good, and now we know the varsity won't be very good for the next three years.

[old goalie85]

Why didn't WBL/Stillwater have AA and A teams ??

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Why didn't WBL/Stillwater have AA and A teams ??

That's the $384,000 question...want to run up to Hinckley with me?