Reebok High Performance 14/15's

Marty McSorely · Post by **Marty McSorely** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:56 pm

I'm sure Marty is capable of speaking for himself, but I read it as saying 12 might be a little young to crown some youngsters as "high performance" and some youngsters as "not". I think if he'd have said MH, rather than USAH, it would be more meaningful. They abstained from USAH select 14's, but now have "select 13's or 12's"?

Exactly.... High Performance....for a 12-14..... Equals.... BS at it's finest....

RonBurgandy · Post by **RonBurgandy** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:16 pm

Marty McSorely wrote:
I'm sure Marty is capable of speaking for himself, but I read it as saying 12 might be a little young to crown some youngsters as "high performance" and some youngsters as "not". I think if he'd have said MH, rather than USAH, it would be more meaningful. They abstained from USAH select 14's, but now have "select 13's or 12's"?

Exactly.... High Performance....for a 12-14..... Equals.... BS at it's finest....

They got me...hook, line and sinker...paid thousands over the years for my kid to get "exposure"...imagine how I felt when he joined his HS Varsity team and saw all of the same scouts all year at a dozen games or more.

Take this advice from a parent whose son did all of this...these programs are just for fun. Just a way for your player to gauge his ability against other good players--yes there is value in that-but you can find it elsewhere...cheaper.

If your kid is good enough, they will find him.

DrGaf · Post by **DrGaf** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:03 am

RonBurgandy wrote:
Marty McSorely wrote:
I'm sure Marty is capable of speaking for himself, but I read it as saying 12 might be a little young to crown some youngsters as "high performance" and some youngsters as "not". I think if he'd have said MH, rather than USAH, it would be more meaningful. They abstained from USAH select 14's, but now have "select 13's or 12's"?

Exactly.... High Performance....for a 12-14..... Equals.... BS at it's finest....

They got me...hook, line and sinker...paid thousands over the years for my kid to get "exposure"...imagine how I felt when he joined his HS Varsity team and saw all of the same scouts all year at a dozen games or more.

Take this advice from a parent whose son did all of this...these programs are just for fun. Just a way for your player to gauge his ability against other good players--yes there is value in that-but you can find it elsewhere...cheaper.

If your kid is good enough, they will find him.

Whoa ... whoa ... whooooooooaaa

Are you saying this is a money grab?!?!? In Minnesota youth hockey?!?!?!

Great post though, nice and informative.

imlisteningtothefnsong · Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:23 am

I was at the HP 16's tryouts up in Blaine. About 80 kids, but I only saw 4 clip boards in the stands. If you are a goalie and want a bunch of rubber coming your way it's fun. Skaters spend most of the ice time in line waiting. Is this what the 14/15 will look like?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:23 pm

Nothing but mixed info.........

MNH is saying it's for all 00' borns

Some Districts are saying it's only for Bantam eligible 00's

Who do you comply with??

How could they possibly have it for only early 00' born kids? Are they trying to make things impossible for late born kids? They need to THINK about the huge advantages of making the team or even attending the tryouts this year..

Why wouldn't they just have the 99's this year and go with our Country's ONE year at a time system?

Just when I was starting to have a little faith in MNH....... Please tell me the Districts are wrong about this.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue May 21, 2013 2:10 pm

Bo,
Not sure where you are getting your confusing information, but below is from the Mn Hockey web site it states born in 1999-2000 maybe the word and should be between the 2 birth years. I do know there is at least 1 district that has sent out invitations to qualifying players.

High Performance 14/15
Reebok Minnesota Hockey High Performance 14/15 Program

The Reebok/MN Hockey High Performance 14/15 program is designed to provide players born in 1999-2000 the opportunity to train and compete against players of similar age. The process begins the summer of 2013 with tryouts at district sites. High Performance 14/15 players will train for 3 weeks the month of September and participate in the 14/15 Festival at Braemar Arena September 27th – 29th. Players who have participated at the Pee Wee A level and Bantam A or AA level are able to apply for tryouts with respective District GM. The 14/15 Program is part of Minnesota and USA Hockey Player Development Process and will be staffed by High School, College, Youth and USA Coaches.

If you have any questions regarding the tryout process or program content, etc, please feel free to contact me at the email contact provided. Please note, District tryout start soon and are posted on this page. Contact your District GM for additional information.

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District Try-out Schedule

District 2

June 4th & June 6th

6:45 pm - 9:00 pm

Vadnais Heights Sports Center

District 3

May 29th & May 30th

7:00 pm - 8:45 pm

Maple Grove Community Center

District 4

May 25th & June 2nd

5:00 pm - 6:30 pm

Blue Mound Ice Arena (Luverne)

District 5

June 1st - 10:00 am - 12:15 pm

June 2nd - 11:30 am - 1:45 pm

Buffalo Civic Center

District 6

May 29 - 7:45 pm - 8:45 pm, 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm BIG #3

May 31 - 7:15 pm - 8:15 pm, 8:30 pm - 9:30 pm BIG # 1

Bloomington Ice Garden

District 8

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7:00 pm - 9:15 pm

Cottage Grove Arena

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August 24th - 10:00 - 11:00 am, 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm

August 26th - 7:00 pm - 8:30 pm

Kasson Arena (Kasson)

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8:00 pm - 10:00 pm

Coon Rapids Ice Center

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June 22nd & 23rd

11:00 am - 1:15 pm

Mars Lakeview Arena (Duluth)

District 12

June 15 - 10:00 am - 12:00 pm, 3:00 pm - 5:00 pm

Hodgins-Berardo Arena (Coleraine)

District 15

September 7th - Times TBD

Brainerd Area Civic Center

Moorhead Youth Hockey Arena

Runestone Community Center (Alexandria)

District 16

September 8th

1 pm - 2:45 pm & 3 pm - 4:45 pm

Roseau North Arena
Pat Westrum

14/15 Program Director

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Mark Jacobs

District 4 GM

Phone: 507-532-3521
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Rich Rakness

District 8 GM

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Dave Esse

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MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Many of the District sites say that it's only for bantam eligible players. And some do not. MNH site says....?

Many Hockey families have recieved emails from their Districts that only bantam eligible players are able to sign up.

Maybe you should make some calls so that you state and district guys are all on the same page...........

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:30 pm

I'm just here to help out.... Free of charge...

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:41 pm

Bo,
Like the 15's in the spring most Districts have different qualifiers, this new program is no different in that respect. If you are really concerned contact the person in the District you are inquiring about.
If you are talking about D10 it is my understanding after a few conversations with a few involved the all 99 and 00 that were registered on "A" level teams last year are invited to try out.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:51 pm

greybeard58 wrote:Bo,
Like the 15's in the spring most Districts have different qualifiers, this new program is no different in that respect. If you are really concerned contact the person in the District you are inquiring about.
If you are talking about D10 it is my understanding after a few conversations with a few involved the all 99 and 00 that were registered on "A" level teams last year are invited to try out.

I hope you're right, but either you, or a WHOLE BUNCH of other districts have it wrong.

People have received emails saying "only bantam eligible" from their districts.

Check the wording on their sites or call around... A whole buncha folks not on the same page.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:14 pm

If one District is different or they want only bantam eligible that is their call. For verification call the District person listed on the Mn Hockey site.

If District 3 is different than District 6 that is the call of District 3. Just because each District might have different criteria for being eligible for these camps, that remains the call of each individual District, they just need to be consistent within their District.
If you want to complain go to the Mn Hockey June meeting or attend your next District meeting.

From the District 10 main page below.

Boys HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
8:00 pm – 10:00 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (payable on line when registering with MN Hockey)
Bring your players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Please let Rhonda Madsen know if you will be attending tryouts or if you have any
questions. d10secretary@gmail.com
Girls HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
5:30 pm – 7:30 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (checks payable to District 10 Hockey)
Bring your check and players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Minnesota Hockey – 2013 HP Girls 14 15 Flyer1[1] (1)
Please let Cheryl Mechelke know if you will be attending tryouts
wildcm1210@yahoo.com
The camp will be held in September at Fogerty Arena and will be instructed by
4-time Olympic Medalist Jenny Potter and her husband Rob Potter.
If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl at wildcm1210@yahoo.com

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:22 pm

greybeard58 wrote:If one District is different or they want only bantam eligible that is their call. For verification call the District person listed on the Mn Hockey site.

If District 3 is different than District 6 that is the call of District 3. Just because each District might have different criteria for being eligible for these camps, that remains the call of each individual District, they just need to be consistent within their District.
If you want to complain go to the Mn Hockey June meeting or attend your next District meeting.

From the District 10 main page below.

Boys HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
8:00 pm – 10:00 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (payable on line when registering with MN Hockey)
Bring your players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Please let Rhonda Madsen know if you will be attending tryouts or if you have any
questions. d10secretary@gmail.com
Girls HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
5:30 pm – 7:30 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (checks payable to District 10 Hockey)
Bring your check and players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Minnesota Hockey – 2013 HP Girls 14 15 Flyer1[1] (1)
Please let Cheryl Mechelke know if you will be attending tryouts
wildcm1210@yahoo.com
The camp will be held in September at Fogerty Arena and will be instructed by
4-time Olympic Medalist Jenny Potter and her husband Rob Potter.
If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl at wildcm1210@yahoo.com

You change your tune so quickly that you make me want to puke.

This IS a MNH run tryout, it HAS to all be on the SAME page.

Time to let Bernie and Tony lead us in the right direction if what you say is true.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue May 21, 2013 10:37 pm

This takes the cake

thespellchecker · Post by **thespellchecker** » Tue May 21, 2013 11:10 pm

This should be moved to the right forum

Girls HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
5:30 pm – 7:30 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (checks payable to District 10 Hockey)
Bring your check and players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Minnesota Hockey – 2013 HP Girls 14 15 Flyer1[1] (1)
Please let Cheryl Mechelke know if you will be attending tryouts
wildcm1210@yahoo.com
The camp will be held in September at Fogerty Arena and will be instructed by
4-time Olympic Medalist Jenny Potter and her husband Rob Potter.
If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl at wildcm1210@yahoo.com

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed May 22, 2013 6:49 am

As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with Bo.

15's, 16's, and 17's are all run by birth year; no district specifies that the only the 98's that will be sophomores next year are eligible to participate.

This doesn't seem fair to half of the 2000 kids; either include them all or don't include any of them.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 22, 2013 8:06 am

How could anybody not "agree"?

Do some of these district folks have talented late borns that are threatening their kid's chances?

MNH needs to equal this out to keep from looking like a joke.

How is this even possible?

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed May 22, 2013 9:26 am

How is this even possible?

I totally agree with Bo. This is unfortunate.

But, remember, MN Hockey doesn't make any decisions. Decision are made by voting members. The voting members are the Districts plus some others. This is a bad example of the Districts doing what they want, because they're in charge, even though it's not the way MN Hockey envisioned the idea. Also remember how the A/AA split didn't go quite as MN Hockey had envisioned. Some Districts had their own ideas how to handle the change. There is no almighty MN Hockey czar that makes all the decisions. Get involved people. Think Globally, act locally. MN Hockey is run by it's members.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:05 am

So MNH has their HP 15/16/17 system and the DISTRICT/sections(hsl probably thinks a little more) could vote that it's only for kids born in April......?

Are kids able try out in other districts that "allow" all 00' born kids..., like the older HP ages..?

MNH needs to clear this up on their site before a bunch of wrongly informed people go off of their info they provide. Time to make this right, MNH.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:38 am

MN Hockey is run by it's members.

So if D6 decided it wanted to allow checking in PW's, they'll just allow it for D6?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 22, 2013 1:18 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:
MN Hockey is run by it's members.
So if D6 decided it wanted to allow checking in PW's, they'll just allow it for D6?

Exactly!! And I guess District 10 will allow all 00's to try out and District 6 will allow their younger 00's chances for future success in this program to drop way down. It just became a much harder road without being given the same experience opportunities.

My bet is that these (going against MNH) Districts have members involved that have kids at this level. Would only make sense.....

They need to all be on the same page for this to save face..

Shinbone_News · Post by **Shinbone_News** » Wed May 22, 2013 1:41 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:
MN Hockey is run by it's members.
So if D6 decided it wanted to allow checking in PW's, they'll just allow it for D6?

That I doubt, since with checking we're talking about an actual playing rule in the USA Hockey and MNH rulebooks, and a high-profile one at that. (There are divergences betwn USAH and MNH, obviously. But not on the checking rule as everyone knows.) Of course districts can and do supplement rules like the hour clock, time outs, and so forth. Even if one district had the chutzpah to implement checking at PW, it would make a mess of non-conference games, and I suspect they'd pay a hefty fine, and I doubt whether their district ref's would go along with it (refs are even more top-down than districts.)

This inconsistency is a stinker though, if it's real. Since the whole concept of Selects/HP is kind of a USA Hockey deal, MN hockey districts ought to stick to birth year rather than punish the younger late-calendar kids.

But the youngest HP groups that don't ladder up to national camps have long been controversial. As others have pointed out elsewhere, USA Hockey finally discontinued the 14s program just within the last year or so -- which Minnesota never bought into. And now they do! Weird!

I'm no math whiz, but I do know that even the oldest 00, born on January 1 2000, cannot possibly be aged 14 this year. So MNHockey needs to call this group 13s/14s/15s.

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Wed May 22, 2013 2:19 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
greybeard58 wrote:If one District is different or they want only bantam eligible that is their call. For verification call the District person listed on the Mn Hockey site.

If District 3 is different than District 6 that is the call of District 3. Just because each District might have different criteria for being eligible for these camps, that remains the call of each individual District, they just need to be consistent within their District.
If you want to complain go to the Mn Hockey June meeting or attend your next District meeting.

From the District 10 main page below.

Boys HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
8:00 pm – 10:00 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (payable on line when registering with MN Hockey)
Bring your players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Please let Rhonda Madsen know if you will be attending tryouts or if you have any
questions. d10secretary@gmail.com
Girls HP Advanced 14 & 15 Tryouts (birth years 1999-2000)
Tuesday, May 28th & Friday, May 31st
5:30 pm – 7:30 pm
Coon Rapids Ice Arena
Cost is $80 (checks payable to District 10 Hockey)
Bring your check and players birth certificate with on the 28th.
Minnesota Hockey – 2013 HP Girls 14 15 Flyer1[1] (1)
Please let Cheryl Mechelke know if you will be attending tryouts
wildcm1210@yahoo.com
The camp will be held in September at Fogerty Arena and will be instructed by
4-time Olympic Medalist Jenny Potter and her husband Rob Potter.
If you have any questions, please contact Cheryl at wildcm1210@yahoo.com
You change your tune so quickly that you make me want to puke.

This IS a MNH run tryout, it HAS to all be on the SAME page.

Time to let Bernie and Tony lead us in the right direction if what you say is true.

Hey Bo Dangsy! Why you no more, no more, like the rule?

helightsthelamp · Post by **helightsthelamp** » Wed May 22, 2013 2:40 pm

I'm no math whiz, but I do know that even the oldest 00, born on January 1 2000, cannot possibly be aged 14 this year. So MNHockey needs to call this group 13s/14s/15s.[/quote]

I'm no math wiz either but the oldest 99, born on January 1 1999 won't be 15 this year.... so it is really the 12s/13s/14s.... Born December 31st 2000 will still be 12 when this program is all said and done... This group seems really broad. How well will a late birthdate 00 physically match up with an early birth date 99? Players going into second year of PW going into the corner with a kid going into second year of Bantam's???? These age groups do not play against each other until HS.... While don't disagree with Bo that their needs to be consistency with the program, I do wonder if MOST early 00's might be a litte above their head.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed May 22, 2013 2:55 pm

How well will a late birthdate 00 physically match up with an early birth date 99?

No different than a 7/1/98 matching up with a 6/30/00.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:00 pm

helightsthelamp wrote:I'm no math whiz, but I do know that even the oldest 00, born on January 1 2000, cannot possibly be aged 14 this year. So MNHockey needs to call this group 13s/14s/15s.

I'm no math wiz either but the oldest 99, born on January 1 1999 won't be 15 this year.... so it is really the 12s/13s/14s.... Born December 31st 2000 will still be 12 when this program is all said and done... This group seems really broad. How well will a late birthdate 00 physically match up with an early birth date 99? Players going into second year of PW going into the corner with a kid going into second year of Bantam's???? These age groups do not play against each other until HS.... While don't disagree with Bo that their needs to be consistency with the program, I do wonder if MOST early 00's might be a litte above their head.[/quote]
MNH created this two birth year group.

A good portion of the 00' Machine team have late 00' birthdates...

There are plenty of late born 00's that can hang way better than early born 00's. The froggy types are just trying to line their kiids up a year in advance. Big advantage going through twice

We all didn't plan our kids birth/c-section as well as you.....