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notahockeyguy · Post by **notahockeyguy** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:18 pm

I think the rule says you can only coach your own players in June and July. Since this program is new and does not start til Nov 1 or so Mr Peterson is ok coaching this team. His contract to coach does not begin til Nov. 1 or the beginning of the season. He technically is not the coach til then. In the case mentioned that coach coached players on his team outside the permitted time.

FishEye · Post by **FishEye** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:18 pm

I had a question about this 2 years ago, I called the Mn high school league office and asked the question.
The coach was not hired by the high school team yet, but they were looking at hiring her, if she coached the players during the off months, Aug., would coach be in violation, if she was hired, then coached the players that she coach during the August time. I was told YES, because she was aware that it was a good chance she would get the job and still coached them after that time. She did it anyway, she was suspended and could not coach the school team for one year. So if CP knew these players are planning on coming to the school, and he coached them during this tournament, he should be penalized. And no one can tell anyone that these girls didn't know pre labor day weekend where they were going to high school the next week. But, then again, some people are treated differently when it comes to grey area matters. So looks like an interesting time to wait to see what happens. Few month off, but good luck to all girls for the up coming season.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:42 pm

Is Cp on their active payroll right now. If so then he would have to follow all the rules as a current coach.

The point to this whole story is CP is as shady as they come. I am confused as to why people think he is a good coach. Good salesman and good recruiter, but good coach? Really?

skatez · Post by **skatez** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:03 pm

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/schoolpage2.asp?school=918

http://www.achieveracademy.org/page/sho ... -athletics

They obviously have a head coach. If they got the waiver, then good for them everything is fine. If not, then they should have to suffer the consequences and play by the same rules as everyone else.

Most likely nothing will happen because no one will report it.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:14 pm

Oh it will get reported

BP · Post by BP » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:12 pm

If these HS coaches (Boys and Girls) at AA can't coach except between start of season and end of season (per HS rules), what do they do all day and how do they get paid? Do they coach the younger kids at Eagan, etc? It would be interesting to know who is all on the ice with these players in the off season. Just curious. Find it hard to believe that none of these coaches are out on the ice during March-October (Outside of June 1 - July 31), including assts. Something doesn't smell right.....

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:49 pm

They get paid by having regular jobs...Do you think coaches coach for the money? Haha!!

iceage · Post by **iceage** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:02 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:
Rocketwrister wrote:I CAN'T believe the MSHSL allowed them in.
If they abide by MSHSL rules, why not

As stated previously they are in 4A. SSP needs some competition, they have had a cake-walk for quite some time now. If AcAc decides to move up to 4AA they will (arguably) be moving into the toughest Section in the State.

hockey21 · Post by **hockey21** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:16 am

The rule is a gray area that since he did not coach this team last year he can work with them, however it is a pretty dark shade of gray. Where he will get in trouble is with the former breck player who is on the team (that he coached last season) he is not in compliance, and yes she has been on the ice with that group of kids.

pucktech · Post by **pucktech** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:36 am

Another similar one just opened in Chaska going to have similar issues since coach of boys hockey team is director of education...if one of their 8th graders makes the HS team and/or when they start taking the High School age players which sounds like maybe later this school year...

http://www.chanvillager.com/news/school ... 4bc49.html

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:48 pm

pucktech If he didn't coach the 8th grader as a HS player last year that coach is fine.

Hockey21- The Breck issue is moot as he no longer is the Breck coach. If he did his due diligence and signed all the forms and the MSHSL said he is good then it is the end of it. The question is did he? AA is a member of the HS league and is already placed in 4A section. Did he sign a contract to be the coach yet? If not then that could be his "out" for this season. Technically he isn't a coach until both parties recognize that he is, through the signing of a contract with both names on it. I'm no lawyer but I still think a handshake doesn't form a legal bond. MSHSL doesn't work well with loopholes and as someone mentioned they are scared to death of lawyers. (that would require them to work and spend money to fight).

BP · Post by BP » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:23 pm

Tigers33 wrote:They get paid by having regular jobs...Do you think coaches coach for the money? Haha!!

Well aware what HS coaches make.

You missed my point. He doesn't work at Gemini anymore, so he must be employed at AA as an instructor. So, the question was is he an instructor there and if so, what age levels is he coaching?

Guys at this school coach for the money as well.

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:29 pm

I think he gets a free pass this year. This post is based on my assumption that there was no AA girls team last season. He is the coach as soon as he is announced or the school knows her is the coach in MSHSL eyes. A newly hired coach cannot work out of season or the summer exception with his "new" team, just because he hasn't signed a contract.

The catch here is that I don't believe any of the players have officially become AA hockey players. They may be current students, but have never played for AA at this point. This can't happen until the season begins. If there was no team last year, he is doing nothing different than any HS coach that skates with a group of 12 or 14U players that might try out, and might make the team, but have never done so before. In my opinion, he gets one summer on this. Next summer, different story.

Nimrod · Post by **Nimrod** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:19 pm

I think some of you need to give CP a little credit. He has been around girls HS hockey for several years. He is not an idiot. He knows the rules and in fact took over at Breck because the prior coach allegedly did something similar to what he is being accused of here. He has also been a great ambassador for MN girls hockey, including helping dozens of girls land Division I opportunities. I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:58 am

FishEye wrote:I had a question about this 2 years ago, I called the Mn high school league office and asked the question.
The coach was not hired by the high school team yet, but they were looking at hiring her, if she coached the players during the off months, Aug., would coach be in violation, if she was hired, then coached the players that she coach during the August time. I was told YES, because she was aware that it was a good chance she would get the job and still coached them after that time. She did it anyway, she was suspended and could not coach the school team for one year. So if CP knew these players are planning on coming to the school, and he coached them during this tournament, he should be penalized. And no one can tell anyone that these girls didn't know pre labor day weekend where they were going to high school the next week. But, then again, some people are treated differently when it comes to grey area matters. So looks like an interesting time to wait to see what happens. Few month off, but good luck to all girls for the up coming season.

CP does not coach any of the high school girls players during Phase I & III of the school year, only on ice with elementary school boys as far as I see it

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:06 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote: Burnout could become a serious issue if they're on the ice for 3-4 hours a day, months on end.
I used to swim/training 3 to 4 hours a day all through HS and College at Madison, and we didn't see much "burn-out" amoung the uw team (and Badger Dolphins the feeder team) because it was also a highly connected social environment that mitigated that aspect. Probablly see the same with the AA boys and girls.

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:15 am

SECoach wrote:I think he gets a free pass this year. This post is based on my assumption that there was no AA girls team last season. He is the coach as soon as he is announced or the school knows her is the coach in MSHSL eyes. A newly hired coach cannot work out of season or the summer exception with his "new" team, just because he hasn't signed a contract.

The catch here is that I don't believe any of the players have officially become AA hockey players. They may be current students, but have never played for AA at this point. This can't happen until the season begins. If there was no team last year, he is doing nothing different than any HS coach that skates with a group of 12 or 14U players that might try out, and might make the team, but have never done so before. In my opinion, he gets one summer on this. Next summer, different story.

The fact of the matter is that CP doesn't have to skirt any MN HS rule, and the AA system is setup to follow them to the T. The school year is divided into 3 phases, and Phase 2 encompasses the HS hockey season. During Phase I & III (before and after) the boys and girls are only working on conditioning, strength training and individual hockey skating and stick handling skills skills, and are taught by Yuro and his NorEDU training staff. CP doesn't even have to step on the ice, there will be plenty of time during the HS season to concentrate on team oriented activities per HS league guidelines.

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:39 am

hockeyfan21 wrote:Take a look at the online only high schools and their performance, consistently sub par and sometimes so low and fraudulent that the parents have legal recourse.

I give it 3 years until the state gets enough data on Northern Educate and we see an article in the strib about it being a diploma mill. Don't give me that crap about "individualized learning", kids are in front of a computer and have virtually no real interaction with other students or instructors other than "where is the answer to question 6".

If parents want 3 hours of on ice work for their kids fine, everyone is allowed to be a crazy parent. But to think that online only education is fine for an elementary student is borderline negligent. I've taught in both public and private schools, in grades 5th through 12th. I've taken college classes completely online and you learn next to nothing compared to what you do in a classroom.

hockeyfan21 - It shows that you haven't done much homework on the current state and progress of on-line curriculums/schools. AA is actually a HYBRID model being part brick & mortar traditional school, part virtual class room , and part home schooling. Its a good model that allows for high motivated students to excell and also provide a great environment for students that need that extra flexibility in the work day. The curriciulm content from my perspective is excellent, and when it comes right down to it, it has to be, and will be because it can be regularly updated, enhanced and improved where text books are out of date as soon as they are published. Yes, it a new paradygme that is not for every student, and nor should it be. The best thing that I see the AA environment doing for my child is that it will better prepare her for college than most other schools because of the self-discipline that is developed by the student to learn in this environment. Guess I rather embrace it than be afraid of a future and growing mode of education.

jg2112 · Post by **jg2112** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:33 am

OsMetroDad wrote:
hockeyfan21 wrote:Take a look at the online only high schools and their performance, consistently sub par and sometimes so low and fraudulent that the parents have legal recourse.

I give it 3 years until the state gets enough data on Northern Educate and we see an article in the strib about it being a diploma mill. Don't give me that crap about "individualized learning", kids are in front of a computer and have virtually no real interaction with other students or instructors other than "where is the answer to question 6".

If parents want 3 hours of on ice work for their kids fine, everyone is allowed to be a crazy parent. But to think that online only education is fine for an elementary student is borderline negligent. I've taught in both public and private schools, in grades 5th through 12th. I've taken college classes completely online and you learn next to nothing compared to what you do in a classroom.
hockeyfan21 - It shows that you haven't done much homework on the current state and progress of on-line curriculums/schools. AA is actually a HYBRID model being part brick & mortar traditional school, part virtual class room , and part home schooling. Its a good model that allows for high motivated students to excell and also provide a great environment for students that need that extra flexibility in the work day. The curriciulm content from my perspective is excellent, and when it comes right down to it, it has to be, and will be because it can be regularly updated, enhanced and improved where text books are out of date as soon as they are published. Yes, it a new paradygme that is not for every student, and nor should it be. The best thing that I see the AA environment doing for my child is that it will better prepare her for college than most other schools because of the self-discipline that is developed by the student to learn in this environment. Guess I rather embrace it than be afraid of a future and growing mode of education.

What is a "paradygme?" Is that a new hybrid word?

Be honest - the only reason this program is part of your world is because your child plays hockey, not because it's a great new mode of education.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:42 am

On line schools are a choosen part of many high end sports where kids are traveling to compete.

The North American Hockey Academy in Vermont follows a similar approach and has had a few MN girls. They regularly place most of their players at D1 and some on U18 Team.

This option in the Twin Cities is a great option for those who want to pursue. On line learning is not a fad and is increasing in application in the world of education and industry. The average public education is geared to the average student in the class room and the pace of education goes at that speed. On line programs often achieve strong results in less actual classroom time allowing for more work. If you have kids in college (we have two) kids are turing in information on line and doing lots of work in virtual groups and reading on line versus through books.

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:08 pm

.[/quote] Be honest - the only reason this program is part of your world is because your child plays hockey, not because it's a great new mode of education.[/quote]

Well if you insist, the public schools surrounding Highland Park in Saint Paul are not the the most challenging environement unless your kid is in the IB programs at either Central or HP, but now the negative side is large classroom size and high student to teacher ratios. There are a handful of public charter schools in Saint Paul which are much better due to small class sizes, but little or no phyED/sports offered, certainly not ice hockey. If one is not interested in the parochial private schools within driving distance due to their integrated religious content (CDH, VIS, MHHA, AHA, TG, HM, BSM, etc), that leaves SPA, Blake or Breck which at $25K/yr one can send two kids to NorEDU for the cost of sending one to the 3 major college prep schools in the area that have a girls ice hockey program. We had a 1 year experience at SPA with an older child and decided that the education $$ could be better spent at another venue. So what does that leave, open enrolling in another public HS with large class room sizes such as Sibley, Eagan, Roseville, Moundsview, Tartan, Woodbury and SSP that are your traditional, non-flexible brick and mortar venues. If your child also excells in athletics and does not want to attend large schools, then home schooling is an option such as MN virtual HS, and many other curriculum offered on-line through-out the US. The university of Nebraska-Lincoln has a particularly good one that some friends in Duluth used with their kids when they played USA tennis, one graduated from Penn State and the other Northwestern, both on D1 tennis scholarships. In my viewpoint NorEDU/AA is a reasonable choice for our situation, and givien that our daughter has shown the ability to learn successfully in a primarily self directed learning environment, which I agree is not a panacea for every child and nor should it be, but it works for us. Another logistical aspect we value is that she is done with both school and hockey by 4:30pm everyday, which opens up valuable family time and opportunities to persue fine arts training in music and drawing of us choice with local institutes in which she will receive elective credits towards her HS degree. Also, due to the flexibility to proceed through coarse work at her own rate, she has the opportunity to graduate early during her senior year of HS, another valued upside. Finally, her social environment has improved significantly over that of her previous school where she now has many more friends and just as many non-hockey activities to chose from such as Year Book club, Science club, and other sports such as x-country running, softball and lacrosse, etc. Bottom line, as a family we are comfortable with our choice of NorEDU/AA for our daughter and look forward to a bright future for her and her many choices yet to come in life.

Coachk · Post by **Coachk** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:10 pm

I think time will tell, especially how the parents will feel about the level of play of their competition. Also in repsonse to a prior post, NAHA plays in an totally different kind of league that prepares those players for D1 and U18 opportunities.

Bandy · Post by **Bandy** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:58 pm

Great post, OsMetroDad. I think we tend to get a bit cynical about peoples' motives sometimes, but your post reminds us that there isn't a one-size-fits-all model. It's a great day to be alive, in the land of the free!

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:44 pm

Bandy wrote:Great post, OsMetroDad. I think we tend to get a bit cynical about peoples' motives sometimes, but your post reminds us that there isn't a one-size-fits-all model. It's a great day to be alive, in the land of the free!

+1.

Bottom line: having alternatives and the freedom to choose is a good thing. Just be sure to do your homework so you make the best choice for your own (kid's) situation...

OsMetroDad · Post by **OsMetroDad** » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:39 pm

MN_Bowhunter wrote:
This is an easy thing to say when you know there's no chance of it happening.

Whether they are skirting the MSHSL rules or the rules just aren't being enforced doesn't really matter. The INTENT was to give small schools a chance to play in a state tournament.
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MN_Bowhunter brings up a good point, and I wonder why MN HS league did not take the next logical step to create 3 classes A (small), AA (mid-size) & AAA (large) for state tournament purposes. Last year I put pen to paper and went through the exercise to divide up the existing 2 tier sections into potential 3 tiers. I think it is definitely doable, and why not .. Football has 6 ? tiers now. The sectional play-offs would run fine, but during State Tournament week, some adjustments in schedules would need to take place. The obvious benefits of having 3 tiers is that 8 more teams participate at State and more tournament $$. The indirect benefit is that because the section pools are smaller, statistically there is a higher chance of any one program of making it to the State tournament, thus generating more excitiment for the HS program which follows down through the youth feeder programs. It is a cascading effect that could potentially generate more hockey players state-wide. Any thoughts about this?