Who's Not Returning 2013-2014

[The Exiled One]

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Class Pos Player            HS Team              New Team             College
So    F   Jesse Gabriel     Eagan                Brandon-WHL
So    F   Jared Mickelson   St. Paul Academy     Omaha-AAA
Jr    F   Josh Passolt      Maple Grove          Prince Albert-WHL
Jr    F   Shane Gersich     Holy Family          NTDP                 North Dakota
Jr    F   David Brumm       Maple Grove          Omaha-AAA
Jr    F   Dylan Michaud     Cloquet/Esko/Carlton Omaha-AAA
Jr    F   Mike Sauer        Bemidji              Brookings-NAHL
Sr    F   Drake Stimpson    Osseo                Tampa Bay-USPHL
Sr    F   Aaron Herdt       Moorhead             Fargo-USHL
Sr    F   Westin Michaud    Cloquet/Esko/Carlton Corpus Christi-NAHL
Sr    F   Jack Ramsey       Minnetonka           Penticton-BCHL       Minnesota
Sr    F   Karson Kuhlman    Cloquet              Dubuque-USHL         Minnesota-Duluth
Sr    F   Austin Poganski   St. Cloud Cathedral  Tri-City-USHL        North Dakota
Sr    F   Avery Peterson    Grand Rapids         Sioux City-USHL      Nebraska-Omaha
Sr    F   Connor Hurley     Edina                Muskegon-USHL        Notre Dame
Jr    D   Hayden Shaw       Woodbury             Waterloo-USHL
Jr    D   Nick Heid         Spring Lake Park     Omaha-AAA
Sr    D   Cosimo Yapello    Mahtomedi            Yellowstone-AWHL
Sr    D   Michael Bigelbach Red Wing             Minot-NAHL
Sr    D   Matt Brettingen   St. Cloud Tech       Aberdeen-NAHL
Sr    D   Brandon Smith     Apple Valley         Gatineau-QMJHL
Sr    D   Logan Von Ruden   Northfield           MN Magicians-NAHL
Sr    D   Alex Fredberg     Irondale             MN Wilderness-NAHL
Sr    D   Hunter Warner     Eden Prairie         Waterloo-USHL        Minnesota State - Mankato
Sr    D   Teemu Kivihalme   Burnsville           Fargo-USHL           Colorado College
Sr    D   Jack Dougherty    St. Thomas           NTDP
Sr    D   Blake Hillman     Elk River            Dubuque-USHL
Sr    D   Neal Pionk        Hermantown           Sioux City-USHL      Minnesota-Duluth
Jr    G   Darion Hanson     St. Francis          Omaha-AAA
Jr    G   Jake Kielly       Eden Prairie         Victory Honda-AAA
Sr    G   George McLeod     Cretin-Derham Hall   Tampa Bay-USPHL
Sr    G   Chase Perry       Andover              Wenatchee-NAHL

[IMHO]

Knutzf, guessing by your first post your going to Omaha? Good luck to your son.

Nailed it !!!

Good luck with your second post.

[The Exiled One]

I added a couple more (Brettigen, Bigelbach) to the list above, bringing the total to 28. As far as I can tell, this has been the most early departures in MSHSL history.

[clojacks1]

I wonder if Cloquet was selected to participate in Hockey Day before the 3 departures were confirmed. They look to be a mere shell of a team with the loss of the 2 Michauds and Kuhlman. Looks like the soap opera that played out there last year isn't done.

[UpNorthMom]

Update: Cole Bjugson is returning to the Roseau Rams for his senior year.

[preferhockey]

Does that mean cut or was the plan all along...

[observer]

Top to bottom I think the NAHL is a tougher league. The top BCHL teams are solid teams but they probably favor the Canadians.

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

Just curious, does anyone think there may be better development out there than the 25 game MN High School League? Could this be why some boys would choose to play a different schedule?

[Tenoverpar]

He baits his hook with a "Just curious, does anyone think there may be better development out there than the 25 game MN High School League? Could this be why some boys would choose to play a different schedule?"...

He casts it in the water....and now he waits...

[old goalie85]

Who cares about development ?? What about the chicks??

[almostashappy]

Who cares about development ?? What about the chicks??

A good argument (STA excepted).

[bemused]

I added a couple more (Brettigen, Bigelbach) to the list above, bringing the total to 28. As far as I can tell, this has been the most early departures in MSHSL history.

get used to it..number will do nothing but get bigger unless they
get rid of the 90 day season...

[northwoods oldtimer]

I added a couple more (Brettigen, Bigelbach) to the list above, bringing the total to 28. As far as I can tell, this has been the most early departures in MSHSL history.

get used to it..number will do nothing but get bigger unless they
get rid of the 90 day season...

High School hockey is........DONE!

[Wet Paint]

HS hockey in MN is on track to be the same as it is in the rest of the country. The kids who are good enough will leave for the 50+ game seasons at Juniors and the kids who are not good enough to play juniors will play high school hockey. Association hockey is the next victim when the AAA hockey teams start to come into the state in larger numbers.

[BP]

Where is Baer playing this year?

[The Exiled One]

Where is Baer playing this year?

He's still in Vancouver.

[Tripod]

After a few years of dozens of hopefuls coming up short (the percentages say that will happen), the fad will return to staying in HS.

[Nuts&Bolts]

Hopefuls for what? If the hope is to improve your game, be seen and play at a higher level, a 50-60 game season against more seasoned talent is the way to go. I love the high school game but until they figure out there is competition from various junior leagues or AAA and things like the "Elite" league aren't aligned to support an extended season for development and exposure, the HS path seems in trouble IMO.

[stromboli]

After a few years of dozens of hopefuls coming up short (the percentages say that will happen), the fad will return to staying in HS.

My bet is that the growth of summer youth hockey teams in MN over the past decade will correspond with an increasing number of kids leaving. This likely isn't just a fad. The numbers of kids leaving may top out someday, but it's more likely that you're just starting to see the tip of what will be a longer-term trend.

Enough younger kids and their parents have been exposed to hockey throughout the rest of the country and Canada to realize that there's a lot of good hockey being played outside of the MN bubble. I think there's a growing segment that believes there's better hockey development opportunities and more visibility outside of MN as kids get older.

[Slap Shot]

Hopefuls for what? If the hope is to improve your game, be seen and play at a higher level, a 50-60 game season against more seasoned talent is the way to go. I love the high school game but until they figure out there is competition from various junior leagues or AAA and things like the "Elite" league aren't aligned to support an extended season for development and exposure, the HS path seems in trouble IMO.

You may very well be right, but how many kids under the current model the past (let's pick 20 years) went unnoticed that were good enough for alternative routes to exposure? It's not as if MHSHL games with talented players lack scouts.

On the developmental level though that may be a sinking ship at least to certain level. If this happens I will accept it even if I long for the good old days of walking to school uphill both ways in the snow.

[blueblood]

Let's take a look at this from another viewpoint:

The goals & mission of the MSHSL, when it comes to hockey player development, are not the same as structured leagues such as the WHL, NAHL, USHL; etc.

The MSHSL exists to provide the opportunity for high school students to PARTICIPATE & COMPETE in athletics during a defined period of time which allows student participation in multiple activities over multiple seasons (Fall, Winter, & Spring). They are a broad-based organization that serves and caters to the MANY.

In contrast, a hockey league, such as the WHL or NAHL, is a solely focused on hockey and thereby serves the FEW. It's goals and missions are not the same as the MSHSL.

These leagues provide a STRUCTURED program model geared towards player DEVELOPMENT. The season is not bound by a pre-desctibed calendar which allows for multiple activity participation.

Until the MSHSL changes it's philosophy, which it won't, there will always be a percevied conflict between playing HS hockey and going the junior route, in terms of preparing players to compete at the next level.

Do some coaches view these leagues as poaching their talent? I would say yes. If this is the case, I would hypothesize that these coaches are doing what's best for themselves, which they promote as the team, and not the player.

Do some coaches realize this may be the best route for one "their players" to continue to move onto the next level? Again, I would say yes. I would hypothesize that these coaches are doing what's best for the player and not "their team."

Success stories such as Jake Gardiner and Nick Leddy, who both played for the hometown HS team without going the junior route, are strong indicators that MNHS hockey coaches can develop NHL-caliber talent.

The same story can be said for MNHS players like Danny Kristo, who only played one season of HS hockey as a freshman, and went the way of Ann Arbor in punching his ticket to play in the NHL.

If MNHS hockey is to change from the 3 month 25-game season plus playoffs, it's going to need a strong internal change agent (i.e. the MHCA) and radical redesigned philosophy, program, process, & metrics to do so.

Is this the right thing to do? That depends on the metrics that would measure program (i.e business) successfullness.

-bb

[The Exiled One]

Brumm, Heid, Mickelson, and Darion Hanson are all on the Omaha AAA U16 roster. Dylan Michaud is on the U18 roster. All are playing at the super rink in Blaine today.

[MrBoDangles]

Brumm, Heid, Mickelson, and Darion Hanson are all on the Omaha AAA U16 roster. Dylan Michaud is on the U18 roster. All are playing at the super rink in Blaine today.

These boys would have had plenty of Hockey with HP, Summer teams, Elite League and their high school teams. The skaters in this group probably actually decreased their development.

Would have been great to see Heid and SLP at the X this year....... they pretty much had a free pass in their new section.

[Lowstickside]

Brumm, Heid, Mickelson, and Darion Hanson are all on the Omaha AAA U16 roster. Dylan Michaud is on the U18 roster. All are playing at the super rink in Blaine today.

These boys would have had plenty of Hockey with HP, Summer teams, Elite League and their high school teams. The skaters in this group probably actually decreased their development.



Maybe you just touched on the problem; "plenty of hockey" with four different teams and all of the political garbage that surly surrounds each one especially as a player gets older as opposed to one season with one team, one system and one decent coach.

H.S. Hockey in MN is an activity. Most of the coaches are not very good and the season is 90 days long. A team is lucky to play competitive games half of the time and coaches love to paly that magical 2 line system while leaving half the team on the bench. They can get away with playing this way because they play a measly two times a week and never back to back games - so play your best 10 and let the others sit. Are we developing players in MN with this system? No. When a phenom like Leddy comes around we jump up and take credit for teaching him how to skate.

[old goalie85]

Forest Lake has STP [Summer Training Program] All summer. They skate w/the varsity coaching staff three days a week, lift and run 5 days a week. The varsity coach has played a very high level and can certainly hold his own vs 90 % of the U16 coaches out there. How much hockey can the kids take ?? [Hips/knees] If they wanted more ice, I know six or seven of the FL kids go to Mapp as well. I agree w/ Bo Mn kids can skate all they need.