Achiever

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

My ears are burning, what's going on in here? Is it time for more chattering of the ninnies? I'll play along. My greatest hope is that Underachiever Academy recruits enough national and international talent that all of the MN girls whose parents have chosen for them to play there find themselves on the bench or JV, while a team of girls from all over the globe win the Minnesota State Hockey Tournament.[/u]

Where you talking about Achiever Academy or St Thomas Academy whose 1st forward line from last year where all from Wisconsin and I here "shared" an apartment. Achiever will have to follow the same regulations as all other MN High Schools. Where is all the fuss about EP picking up the missing piece (goaltender) from MG or the Blue Chip transfer from Benilde to HM?? We could go on and on. Publics and privates have been "recruiting" for decades. A lot of the time it is not the school recruiting at all but the players/families

wanting to make a change for any number of reasons. Players and families will choose Achiever or any other school as a personal choice and who is anybody to question their motives??
I heard the goalie from Hastings was slotted to be JV in Hastings and has a brother that had already been at Northern Educate. Is it a shock to anybody that this kind of move could be made??.....Don't let it ruin your season people!...."Let's Play Hockey!"

Ok I have to ask, who is the "Blue Chip" transfer to HM?

[36Guy]

My ears are burning, what's going on in here? Is it time for more chattering of the ninnies? I'll play along. My greatest hope is that Underachiever Academy recruits enough national and international talent that all of the MN girls whose parents have chosen for them to play there find themselves on the bench or JV, while a team of girls from all over the globe win the Minnesota State Hockey Tournament.[/u]

Where you talking about Achiever Academy or St Thomas Academy whose 1st forward line from last year where all from Wisconsin and I here "shared" an apartment. Achiever will have to follow the same regulations as all other MN High Schools. Where is all the fuss about EP picking up the missing piece (goaltender) from MG or the Blue Chip transfer from Benilde to HM?? We could go on and on. Publics and privates have been "recruiting" for decades. A lot of the time it is not the school recruiting at all but the players/families

wanting to make a change for any number of reasons. Players and families will choose Achiever or any other school as a personal choice and who is anybody to question their motives??
I heard the goalie from Hastings was slotted to be JV in Hastings and has a brother that had already been at Northern Educate. Is it a shock to anybody that this kind of move could be made??.....Don't let it ruin your season people!...."Let's Play Hockey!"

Ok I have to ask, who is the "Blue Chip" transfer to HM?

Mack Steffen, now let's keep the subject about hockey not 15 year old girls...peace!

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

Current varsity rosters aren't considered "hockey"?

No judgement on the player or transfer. She would be an asset to any team, a loss to any team. She's great. And I'm certainly on the do what is best for your own kid side of the fence.

But I certainly think which players are playing where is relevant. Peace!

[MNHockeyFan]

Achiever's roster is now up:

http://www.mghca.com/roster/show/930651 ... son=120238

Twenty four players in all, which should be enough to also field a JV team.

I see Katie Lynch, who was with the Thorougbreds last year and BSM (JV) before that, is playing her senior year with AA. I'm sure that other names will be familiar to forum members reading this.

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

Achiever's roster is now up:

http://www.mghca.com/roster/show/930651 ... son=120238

Twenty four players in all, which should be enough to also field a JV team.

I see Katie Lynch, who was with the Thorougbreds last year and BSM (JV) before that, is playing her senior year with AA. I'm sure that other names will be familiar to forum members reading this.

It always surprises me when any kid in any school, sports related or not, chooses to go somewhere different for a single final year. Some interesting back story there I bet.
Will these girls skate together off season do you think? AA AAA?? At least one machine player here I can't imagine leaving that system.

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

First game and first win!! An impressive fast paced game defeating Eastview at the Apple Valley rink. Way to go Aces!!

Is that crickets chirping or incoming missiles?!?

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

Neither. Just curious.
Details details please.

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

7-4. Achiever has an 8th grade goalie who was a bit nervous, but had a solid game. One goal called off that would have made it 8-4. Shots on goal fairly even. Snodgrass from Eastview has a big shot and fun to watch. AA generated good offensive opportunities and capitalized on several. Too bad for Eastview that upstart AA had way more fans... Fun game to watch!!

[AAA Dad]

AAA Dad...You seem to be the Achiever Apologist...Calm down & enjoy the season!

Nice job Bighead breaking the code...AAA Dad(Achiever Academy Apologist). Don't sweat it AAA, I have been called much worse!

I fall under the "could care less what they do category" After all like they say, people who live in glass houses should dress in the basement!

36 and Bighead

Apologist Hell no! If I was one I would go to work for your President! He could use a good one right now! Achiever needs not...Passionate about the topic is all...Peace

Hey 36 Best of luck on your dynasty's 4-peat quest!

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

Why...
Is AA starting an untested 8th grade goalie when they list 2 upperclasswomen in the position?
(Disclaimer-I don't know any of these goalies)

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

Why start an 8th grader......? "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the right players."

What kind of question is that?? Coach to win, play to win. Right?

They also had an 8th grader last year who had a pile of goals for the boys team. Go with what you got.

[AAA Dad]

Why...
Is AA starting an untested 8th grade goalie when they list 2 upperclasswomen in the position?
(Disclaimer-I don't know any of these goalies)

8th grader is only current registered goalie on MSHSL Roster.
As a matter of fact 7 of the 18 player roster to date are "untested" 8th graders..

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

I never questioned starting an 8th grader. But based on the only roster I've seen (posted on this thread, above) just saw there were two older who it would seem had more varsity experience. Of course that does not equal better.
If every parent of the girls on the AA roster would please respond to this thread to justify your transfer, defend your child, talk up CP getting the whole roster D1, and why your program is "fair" under MSHL guidelines, we could all just drop the topic.
PLEASE NOTE: as sarcasm does not always come across clearly in this forum, please let me state that I would never expect AA parents to defend anything to me or any of you. They are obviously legal per MSHL. And CP is as likely as anyone to get a girl looked at. I have already been proven wrong about how this would all play out.

My question about playing the youngest goalie was not questioning her talent or whether 8th graders can be better than 11th or 12th graders. (Duh)

But will graduating as the 2 or 3 goalie from AA behind an 8th grade starter improve your future prospects better than graduating as 2 or 3 goalie from their old school?
Maybe!

[AAA Dad]

[quote="Nevertoomuchhockey"]I never questioned starting an 8th grader. But based on the only roster I've seen (posted on this thread, above) just saw there were two older who it would seem had more varsity experience. Of course that does not equal better.
If every parent of the girls on the AA roster would please respond to this thread to justify your transfer, defend your child, talk up CP getting the whole roster D1, and why your program is "fair" under MSHL guidelines, we could all just drop the topic.
PLEASE NOTE: as sarcasm does not always come across clearly in this forum, please let me state that I would never expect AA parents to defend anything to me or any of you. They are obviously legal per MSHL. And CP is as likely as anyone to get a girl looked at. I have already been proven wrong about how this would all play out.
My question about playing the youngest goalie was not questioning her talent or whether 8th graders can be better than 11th or 12th graders. (Duh)But will graduating as the 2 or 3 goalie from AA behind an 8th grade starter improve your future prospects better than graduating as 2 or 3 goalie from their old school? Maybe!




What you just said........... we are all now dumber............ (Bill Murray Stripes)

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

NOT Bill Murray.

[AAA Dad]

NOT Bill Murray.

Bet you a hockey puck!

[hockeyfan21]

NOT Bill Murray.

Bet you a hockey puck!

sheesh... learn to do research. 8 second on google

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[36Guy]

NOT Bill Murray.

Bet you a hockey puck!

sheesh... learn to do research. 8 second on google

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

AWESOME!

[Nevertoomuchhockey]

Wow what a win. Didn't even need google.

AAA -
I would like the AA 1st game winning puck from your 8th grade goalie daughter. No, you keep it. I'M NOT THAT PETTY.



I'm done here. Without even calling you out on your inability to articulate your point of view without being a bully.

See what I did there?

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

Quote: "If every parent of the girls on the AA roster would please respond to this thread to justify your transfer, defend your child, talk up CP getting the whole roster D1, and why your program is "fair" under MSHL guidelines, we could all just drop the topic. "

Let just one parent speak only for my family. What if hockey was a secondary benefit to the education. What if this was your child's 5th school, and the classroom setting was working. The work effort improved, the confidence improved and the success in school improved like it never had before. Now along with the education is an excellent hockey development program with great coaches. Now, Why would I want an older player fighting for a starting goalie spot? Maybe it's because the goalie coach does a great job mentoring, training, and developing the student/athletes. Maybe I believe that training is equally important as games right now. Maybe it's because I know how many coaches and scouts have watched the training at the Academy and have expressed their excitement for a program like this.
So for me and my family this is why we transferred. Success in the classroom, character and hockey development with a great staff. The school is only in its third year, it has grown fast and has had some issues to work through like any upstart company. I believe the leadership wants to create a positive culture that focuses on the people who work here. Just like Apple, JetBlue or Southwest, create a positive environment and it will flourish. It is a work in progress, but it is working for my family.

[AMERICAN]

Imlistening .. . . - you certainly don't need to justify your reasons for sending your daughter to AA. It's great that this setting is working well for your daughter. I don't think the issue for this topic however had anything to do with whether AA is a good program. The issue seems to be whether or not AA and the girls attending are playing within the rules set forth by the MSHL. The rule as I outlined above is fairly clear that a family must prove that they changed legal residences and now reside in the same public school district where AA is located if they are entering after their 9th grade year. Therefore, to calm the waters, AA and the families that have "moved" so as to claim that they are now eligible to play varsity hockey at AA, an example or two showing that a family sold their home, changed jobs and bought a new home in the public school district that AA is located would prove to all the skeptics that AA is in fact playing by the same rules that all the other teams they compete against are playing by. For some, it is hard to believe that people from out of state would do this for the sake of playing hockey at AA. Everyone just wants a level playing field and for some reason the perception by some is that AA is not playing by the rules. Please prove the skeptics wrong and move on and enjoy the season.

[Knight7]

American- You have one flaw in residence rule. Technically they can move across the street from their own house, as private schools don't have traditional boundaries like the public schools. They just need to legally change address. They don't need to live in the public school district that the private school is in.

[EPIC97]

Correct me if I am wrong.
AA is a new private school. How is it any differen't then Holy Family 6 years ago when they opened their doors. They too had student athletes that did not change residence. No one had to play JV or sit out a year.

[AAA Dad]

Bet you a hockey puck!

sheesh... learn to do research. 8 second on google

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

AWESOME!

I like Bill's slightly different version in the movie Stripes when they are having a chat session with the Sargent. It gets quoted on KFAN once in a while.

[AMERICAN]

Knight7- After re-reading the language in BYLAW 111 I have to disagree with you that a private can simply move across the street to gain eligibility at a new private school. Remember the transfer rule as far as I can tell does not distinguish between private and public student transfers. In other words the rule itself doesn't give privates an unfair advantage in obtaining transferees. I can't think of a reason why the MSHL would allow a private to simply move across the street to gain eligibility and not allow the same for a public kid. Remember, the rule says that there must be a change of residence and therefore we must look at the definition of "change of residence"." Here it is again for analysis in determining whether a kid can obtain immediate eligibility.

BOARD POLICY DEFINITIONS FOR BYLAW 111
1. Change of Residence. A change of residence is the actual physical relocation by the parents or guardians of a student with the intent to reside indefinitely at a new residence in Minnesota and terminate all occupancy of a previous residence. The change in residence must be bona fide, include other minor siblings and involve a transfer from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area.
2. For purposes of eligibility determinations, the residence of a student shall be the bona fide location of the residence and must include occupancy by the students’ parents or guardians in the public school attendance area. Both parents, except as otherwise provided herein, must physically reside at the residence on a regular basis for the duration of the student’s enrollment.

Therefore, unless any student, both public and private, follow the change of resident rule outlined in BYLAW 111 the student athlete will be ineligible to play varsity sports for one year at the new school unless they enter the new school in 9th grade or earlier.

Now, the other question as stated by EPIC97 is how does the MSHL treat new schools like Holy Family was 6 years ago and now AA. The rule itself does not give an exception for new schools so the plain language of the rule doesn't help AA or it's transferring students. The only argument to allow students to play varsity sports at AA since it is a new school would be an equitable argument in that it would would unfair to the school and student not to allow the new school student to participate. Some might buy this argument for kids located within the vicinity of the new school but that argument to me losses some traction when kids come in from out of state. Remember, the whole purpose of the transfer rule is not to allow certain schools to gain an unfair advantage by allowing unlimited transfers. This certainly is an interesting issue since there seems to be trend towards schools like AA. THe difficult job for the MSHL is to balance the needs of the AA of the state with rest of the schools of the state .