Isn't the reason that some girls made jump from 12B to HS in Red Wing is because they did not field an 12A team in past or currently so the B team was their top girls team??. It has been either play boys or 12B correct??
I don't know if it is same situation as Waconia who for years has always opted to pound on other B teams vs field an A team. Lots of B banners in the Waconia barn!
Class A- who really is the best?
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Add speed, aggressiveness, conditioning, passing/shooting skills and hockey IQ and good goaltender play to playing years together or they can look like poop year after year.Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Girls/teams that play together over consecutive seasons, especially for more than 2 seasons, are more fun to watch and often the better team. Add that to the individual talents and good coaching - you see a superior passing game and on-ice communication
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Roy01 wrote:I am not sure how much credit I would put toward Scott Haley for the development and success of the girls program in Red Wing.recentalum wrote:This is just a small town who has a great coach who really knows how to coach and develop these young players.
The revitalization of the program happened primarily with the change of section. I believe their former section had teams such as Farmington, Benilde, Breck, and included South St. Paul during their most successful years as a program. When the high school league altered the sections, success (the state tournament) came.
As for the players, Rose Alleva is, more or less, a product of the Red Wing boys program, not the girls. She had participated through Peewees and then stepped into the high school level of play.
Paige had also started in boys hockey. She had the benefit of being coached by her father through youth and high school. For her, I would say development is more toward Scott's doing, but Rose Alleva I would not.
A better piece of the girls team in recent years has been goaltending. Corcoran was a transfer from Farmington. Prior to her taking net, it was managed by Lisa Nibbe (whom I believe is now an assistant under Scott Haley). Lisa received instruction from the boys goalie coach, Bob Rajanen, along with a plethora of former goalies within the boy's program. I would attribute her success toward their efforts.
I, personally, find it rather curious that Nibbe is an assistant coach for Scott Haley being as, while she was a player under his tenure, she was very vocal in her disapproval of Scott.
The Red Wing girls program has had success in recent years and no one could or should take that away from them, but to say it is the doing of Scott Haley is an oversight.
Alleva was coached by Haley for years at the varsity level.
As for Paige, she played 2 years with the boys, along with 3 other girls who were on the varsity team.
Nibbe's coach was Mike Doyle who was with the girls program for about 7 years, ended up retiring, but was a gopher goalie way back when. Nibble can contribute all of her success to Doyle.
Scott has worked with the girls program for 10 years now, at all levels. In the summer he even hosts 8u, 10u, and 12u camps. He is one of the only varsity coaches I know who commits time to all levels of the girl program, simply because he knows that these are the girls who will be on his varsity some day.
Overall, Red Wing has been that team who their girls played together for 10 years. The team chemistry is undeniable. The coaches have been together this long as well.
Rose Alleva was coached by Scott Haley for 6 years at the high school level. Through youth she was coached by Haley's assistant, Dan Anderson and his son Nate Anderson.recentalum wrote:Roy01 wrote:I am not sure how much credit I would put toward Scott Haley for the development and success of the girls program in Red Wing.recentalum wrote:This is just a small town who has a great coach who really knows how to coach and develop these young players.
The revitalization of the program happened primarily with the change of section. I believe their former section had teams such as Farmington, Benilde, Breck, and included South St. Paul during their most successful years as a program. When the high school league altered the sections, success (the state tournament) came.
As for the players, Rose Alleva is, more or less, a product of the Red Wing boys program, not the girls. She had participated through Peewees and then stepped into the high school level of play.
Paige had also started in boys hockey. She had the benefit of being coached by her father through youth and high school. For her, I would say development is more toward Scott's doing, but Rose Alleva I would not.
A better piece of the girls team in recent years has been goaltending. Corcoran was a transfer from Farmington. Prior to her taking net, it was managed by Lisa Nibbe (whom I believe is now an assistant under Scott Haley). Lisa received instruction from the boys goalie coach, Bob Rajanen, along with a plethora of former goalies within the boy's program. I would attribute her success toward their efforts.
I, personally, find it rather curious that Nibbe is an assistant coach for Scott Haley being as, while she was a player under his tenure, she was very vocal in her disapproval of Scott.
The Red Wing girls program has had success in recent years and no one could or should take that away from them, but to say it is the doing of Scott Haley is an oversight.
Alleva was coached by Haley for years at the varsity level.
As for Paige, she played 2 years with the boys, along with 3 other girls who were on the varsity team.
Nibbe's coach was Mike Doyle who was with the girls program for about 7 years, ended up retiring, but was a gopher goalie way back when. Nibble can contribute all of her success to Doyle.
Scott has worked with the girls program for 10 years now, at all levels. In the summer he even hosts 8u, 10u, and 12u camps. He is one of the only varsity coaches I know who commits time to all levels of the girl program, simply because he knows that these are the girls who will be on his varsity some day.
Overall, Red Wing has been that team who their girls played together for 10 years. The team chemistry is undeniable. The coaches have been together this long as well.
I have known Mike Doyle since his time with the Minneapolis Edison program, I know what he teaches his goalies; judging by Nibbe's play style, it did not match his coaching. Mike Doyle was not responsible for Nibbe being a participant in such things as the Dave Peterson Goalie Camp. To say ALL her success is due to his coaching is an oversight...
As for Scott, if you feel he is the reason the girls team is productive you are more than welcome to that opinion. I do not feel that way. So we may agree to disagree.
Well doesn't he get SOME credit for it? Or is he just kind of blindly stumbling through it and by chance not wrecking all the good fortune that randomly comes his way?Roy01 wrote:Rose Alleva was coached by Scott Haley for 6 years at the high school level. Through youth she was coached by Haley's assistant, Dan Anderson and his son Nate Anderson.recentalum wrote:Roy01 wrote: I am not sure how much credit I would put toward Scott Haley for the development and success of the girls program in Red Wing.
The revitalization of the program happened primarily with the change of section. I believe their former section had teams such as Farmington, Benilde, Breck, and included South St. Paul during their most successful years as a program. When the high school league altered the sections, success (the state tournament) came.
As for the players, Rose Alleva is, more or less, a product of the Red Wing boys program, not the girls. She had participated through Peewees and then stepped into the high school level of play.
Paige had also started in boys hockey. She had the benefit of being coached by her father through youth and high school. For her, I would say development is more toward Scott's doing, but Rose Alleva I would not.
A better piece of the girls team in recent years has been goaltending. Corcoran was a transfer from Farmington. Prior to her taking net, it was managed by Lisa Nibbe (whom I believe is now an assistant under Scott Haley). Lisa received instruction from the boys goalie coach, Bob Rajanen, along with a plethora of former goalies within the boy's program. I would attribute her success toward their efforts.
I, personally, find it rather curious that Nibbe is an assistant coach for Scott Haley being as, while she was a player under his tenure, she was very vocal in her disapproval of Scott.
The Red Wing girls program has had success in recent years and no one could or should take that away from them, but to say it is the doing of Scott Haley is an oversight.
Alleva was coached by Haley for years at the varsity level.
As for Paige, she played 2 years with the boys, along with 3 other girls who were on the varsity team.
Nibbe's coach was Mike Doyle who was with the girls program for about 7 years, ended up retiring, but was a gopher goalie way back when. Nibble can contribute all of her success to Doyle.
Scott has worked with the girls program for 10 years now, at all levels. In the summer he even hosts 8u, 10u, and 12u camps. He is one of the only varsity coaches I know who commits time to all levels of the girl program, simply because he knows that these are the girls who will be on his varsity some day.
Overall, Red Wing has been that team who their girls played together for 10 years. The team chemistry is undeniable. The coaches have been together this long as well.
I have known Mike Doyle since his time with the Minneapolis Edison program, I know what he teaches his goalies; judging by Nibbe's play style, it did not match his coaching. Mike Doyle was not responsible for Nibbe being a participant in such things as the Dave Peterson Goalie Camp. To say ALL her success is due to his coaching is an oversight...
As for Scott, if you feel he is the reason the girls team is productive you are more than welcome to that opinion. I do not feel that way. So we may agree to disagree.