Are the wheels coming off of N.E/A.A?

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:13 am

http://www.twincities.com/education/ci_ ... ne-schools

http://www.twincities.com/education/ci_ ... ls-through

Maybe someone closer to the situation can explain what's going on?

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:25 am

"Meanwhile, one of the principal players involved with Northern Educate -- Scott Branovan -- was sued in 2006 along with a business partner for defrauding investors in a $29 million regional ice arena project in Cudahy, Wis., according to court documents."

"Northern Educate representatives also informed the National Sports Center that Shawn Black, the school's president and co-founder, had left the organization, Kruse said. He said Northern Educate did not provide a reason for Black's departure."

To this ignoramus, things are looking a little shady over there. I thought maybe one of the AA parents would enlighten us on what's going on.

36Guy, you may want to get the crickets ready...

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:52 pm

I think the newspaper articles posted explain things pretty well. There is uncertainty to future ownership of Vadnais Complex which will be resolved in the coming month or so.
Also 2 of the NE locations that were closed never got the enrollment expected in the 1st year of a mega expansion. Most students chose the Vadnais location. The Eagan students moved to EP and Blaine to Vadnais.
Black stepped down and the other founder Woodcroft along with a new NE President (Harvard graduate to be named later) are determined as ever to continue to build a education/athlectic model 2nd to none.

BluehawkHockey · Post by **BluehawkHockey** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:13 pm

AAA Dad wrote:I think the newspaper articles posted explain things pretty well. There is uncertainty to future ownership of Vadnais Complex which will be resolved in the coming month or so.
Also 2 of the NE locations that were closed never got the enrollment expected in the 1st year of a mega expansion. Most students chose the Vadnais location. The Eagan students moved to EP and Blaine to Vadnais.
Black stepped down and the other founder Woodcroft along with a new NE President (Harvard graduate to be named later) are determined as ever to continue to build a education/athlectic model 2nd to none.

Hmmmmm. Something sounds fishy here. Hiring a Harvard grad to run an online elementary/middle/high school. I don't think Harvard puts out a lot of elementary and secondary school leaders. Probably close to 0. Not likely a (Harvard grad to be named later) is really going to see a lot of upside to running an online school with 100+ students. May be best to not let the (Harvard grad to be named later) see any recent news, failures or fraud surrounding the school and its principal investors. The (Harvard grad to be named later) is likely to see the problems and decide to be a (Harvard grad to NOT be named or hired now or later).

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:58 pm

AAA Dad, thanks for responding. What is your opinion of Scott Branovan? I have no idea who he is but a Google search turned up at least 3 different instances where he is named in a lawsuit bilking investors.

Are you aware of the reason Black stepped down? Was he bought out, forced out, etc?

Are you still happy with the school and it's administration?

LetsGetRealPeople · Post by **LetsGetRealPeople** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:20 pm

MN_BowIgnoramus

Sorry you feel your daughter cant compete with the girls of AAA. Get over it you Ignoramus!! You gossip more than the ladies at the Laundromat where I'm sure you spend all your time helping your mommy fold laundry.

Not to be a Grinch but you should spend some time out on the pond with your daughter playing a little puck and less time chattering like a brain dead ninny.

Your zeal for AAA to fail must be to benefit your daughters team. If your only hope to succeed is that another must fail first then you truly are the selfish self centered ignoramus I believe you are.

With all due respect of course.

Merry Christmas.

Coachk · Post by **Coachk** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Gosh, alittle harsh, don't you think. I blieve he was just stating what was in the paper. Hope your not an unhappy investor. Merry Christmas!

LetsGetRealPeople · Post by **LetsGetRealPeople** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:36 pm

Chatter away you ninny's because the school and the kids in it are here to stay. See you at sections:)

With all due respect.

Merry Christmas

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:43 pm

Another NE link

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/cas ... hend_et_al

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Letsgetrealpeople

I appreciate your effort to get this thread locked down like the others but I am genuinely curious as to what's going on over there. Please stay out of the thread if you have nothing of value to add to it. You can continue to insult me and try to make me look foolish or ignorant, but I'm pretty sure it's having the opposite effect.

To reiterate, add value to the thread by addressing the topic, or GTFO.

With all due respect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-Id_fuXFA

LetsGetRealPeople · Post by **LetsGetRealPeople** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:10 pm

You fool yourself if you think you have any credibility or knowledge of AA. Your wish is that they were not in your daughters section so roll that up in your ignoramus pipe and blow it out your blow hole.

Get on a topic that is better suited for you and your wisdom and knowledge because you clearly don't have a clue about AA.

With all due respect of course.

Merry Christmas.

U10Father · Post by **U10Father** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Please keep this thread open. Since AA is such a unique and possibly trailblazing effort, it would be nice if we could catch up on how it's working. Plus, this thread is cheaper than a movie and more action-filled.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:09 pm

There's an AA thread on every section of this board. Most are inquiring and speculating and commenting on the state of hockey and MSHL. Haven't read anything about anyone putting down the players or even the program. Your record speaks for itself.

But I think you do protest too much... Why come on here with the insults instead of the info? If the press and internet and everyone here is incorrect, come with the facts. Hope for your sake you are not wrong about AAs future. Regardless if my kid plays against you someday or not it's IMHO that its in everyone who loves hockey's best interests, especially girls hockey, for as many options and programs to succeed as possible.

If the rest of you haven't already, go read the MSHL lawsuit thread on the varsity boys side here.

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:20 pm

BluehawkHockey wrote:
AAA Dad wrote:I think the newspaper articles posted explain things pretty well. There is uncertainty to future ownership of Vadnais Complex which will be resolved in the coming month or so.
Also 2 of the NE locations that were closed never got the enrollment expected in the 1st year of a mega expansion. Most students chose the Vadnais location. The Eagan students moved to EP and Blaine to Vadnais.
Black stepped down and the other founder Woodcroft along with a new NE President (Harvard graduate to be named later) are determined as ever to continue to build a education/athlectic model 2nd to none.
Hmmmmm. Something sounds fishy here. Hiring a Harvard grad to run an online elementary/middle/high school. I don't think Harvard puts out a lot of elementary and secondary school leaders. Probably close to 0. Not likely a (Harvard grad to be named later) is really going to see a lot of upside to running an online school with 100+ students. May be best to not let the
(Harvard grad to be named later) see any recent news, failures or fraud surrounding the school and its principal investors. The (Harvard grad to be named later) is likely to see the problems and decide to be a (Harvard grad to NOT be named or hired now or later).

Blowhardhockey

The name of of the Harvard Grad is Tony Lancette! You obviously did not appreciate good information I gave you about NE AA... You also have no clue how the school operates in any way shape or form!

Post by **karl(east)** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:16 pm

Is it just me, or has there been a serious decline in civility on the girls' forum this year?

Rather than go around locking topics endlessly, I'll settle for an ultimatum. People who repeatedly resort to personal insults rather than reasoned arguments will be banned. I don't care who started it or what side you're on. PM me if you have questions.

Consider yourselves warned.

BluehawkHockey · Post by **BluehawkHockey** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:36 pm

AAA Dad wrote:Blowhardhockey

The name of of the Harvard Grad is Tony Lancette! You obviously did not appreciate good information I gave you about NE AA... You also have no clue how the school operates in any way shape or form!

AAA Dad, you actually didn't provide any additional real information that wasn't already in the news. Now that you've named the new president, you've actually provided new information. Thanks for that.

Based on what I have read up to now, it appears that there are lots of things working against NE/AA. I think any reasonable person could see these things as signs of trouble. I certainly hope they really are able to get past them. Any additional option for girls hockey is good.

If I had a child in the school, I would be concerned about the news that is coming out. These parents have taken a risk by putting their kids in a new private school. What happens if the school doesn't make it? Can those HS players play varsity at another school next year?

Closing the two locations really isn't a big deal, they just over estimated the demand. Unfortunately, at least in the case of the NSC, it may cost the school money for several years.

We can all have our own opinions and express them. Don't take them personally.

Nimrod · Post by **Nimrod** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:48 am

karl(east) wrote:Is it just me, or has there been a serious decline in civility on the girls' forum this year?

Rather than go around locking topics endlessly, I'll settle for an ultimatum. People who repeatedly resort to personal insults rather than reasoned arguments will be banned. I don't care who started it or what side you're on. PM me if you have questions.

Consider yourselves warned.

Not sure who you are or if you are the man behind the curtain, but well said. If you have this power, please use it. There have definitely been a lot more personal attacks on each other and players. To the point where I tune this forum out for periods of time. Share your opinions and observations but keep it positive. No one likes a bully and getting the last word does not make you right. Lets all enjoy these short years of our daughters playing HS hockey. It goes way too fast to turn it into a negative. Merry Christmas to you all.

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:22 am

MN_Bowhunter wrote:AAA Dad, thanks for responding. What is your opinion of Scott Branovan? I have no idea who he is but a Google search turned up at least 3 different instances where he is named in a lawsuit bilking investors.

Are you aware of the reason Black stepped down? Was he bought out, forced out, etc?

Are you still happy with the school and it's administration?

Now that the thread is hopefully back on track, is anybody affiliated with NE/AA willing to answer my questions? Does anybody else have any information regarding Black's departure?

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:59 pm

AAA Dad wrote:I think the newspaper articles posted explain things pretty well. There is uncertainty to future ownership of Vadnais Complex which will be resolved in the coming month or so.
Also 2 of the NE locations that were closed never got the enrollment expected in the 1st year of a mega expansion. Most students chose the Vadnais location. The Eagan students moved to EP and Blaine to Vadnais.
Black stepped down and the other founder Woodcroft along with a new NE President (Harvard graduate to be named later) are determined as ever to continue to build a education/athlectic model 2nd to none.

Correction:
Lancette the Harvard graduate's title is the new Director of Operations for NE and AA in MN and in their expanding Rochester NY location.

Craig Woodcroft is the president.

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:41 pm

BluehawkHockey wrote:
AAA Dad wrote:I think the newspaper articles posted explain things pretty well. There is uncertainty to future ownership of Vadnais Complex which will be resolved in the coming month or so.
Also 2 of the NE locations that were closed never got the enrollment expected in the 1st year of a mega expansion. Most students chose the Vadnais location. The Eagan students moved to EP and Blaine to Vadnais.
Black stepped down and the other founder Woodcroft along with a new NE President (Harvard graduate to be named later) are determined as ever to continue to build a education/athlectic model 2nd to none.
Hmmmmm. Something sounds fishy here. Hiring a Harvard grad to run an online elementary/middle/high school. I don't think Harvard puts out a lot of elementary and secondary school leaders. Probably close to 0. Not likely a (Harvard grad to be named later) is really going to see a lot of upside to running an online school with 100+ students. May be best to not let the (Harvard grad to be named later) see any recent news, failures or fraud surrounding the school and its principal investors. The (Harvard grad to be named later) is likely to see the problems and decide to be a (Harvard grad to NOT be named or hired now or later).

I did not see any concern for the children or families at NE or AA in this post as the one you last posted. It appeared to be a person scoffing (4 times) the possibility of a Harvard grad getting involved with a school that you basically considered well beneath a Harvard grad yet you know very little about the school??

As far as why Black stepped down would be pure speculation right now by anyone other than those closest to the situation or by Dr. Black himself. Why do most people step down from high positions?....A person or persons decide that it is time for a change.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:19 pm

I'm going to surmise that no offense was meant against Harvard by the prior posts. Now, however, if the references had been to a Yale man . . .

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:28 am

Are Black's sons still @ the school ?

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:19 am

"If I had a child in the school, I would be concerned about the news that is coming out. These parents have taken a risk by putting their kids in a new private school. What happens if the school doesn't make it? Can those HS players play varsity at another school next year?"

You raise an interesting point. If AA is not successful and the kids have to attend another school next year, does the transfer rule/restriction mean they have to play jv? Or does the transfer rule not apply - forced rather than chosen? What happened to the Marshall Duluth team? Did they have to play jv this season?

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:37 am

I think the MSHL makes exeptions in such cases. Much different than transfering for hockey.

D6 Girls Fan · Post by **D6 Girls Fan** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:34 am

Wow, think about that. They all transferred to AA FOR hockey reasons, but if they have to leave, it will be for business reasons. I don't seen how MSHSL could be so cold as to deny the players eligibility. Completely ironic, but in this case, I would imagine those girls would play right away.

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