NHL Central Scouting Midterm rankings

[thespellchecker]

Gabrielle and Baer will be in the top 4 rounds of the draft next year should they have stayed at Eagan or Benilde??

Baer has 15 pts in 37 games
Gabrielle has 11 pts in 23 games

Pretty good stats for rookies in the toughest junior hockey league in the world.

Those are marginal stats, even in the CHL as a rookie.

The bottom line is, if you're good enough, it doesn't matter where you play, someday you'll play hockey 24/7.

This is a very good read, by someone who has more hockey IQ than 99.99% of this "Bored".

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/online-ed ... -wait.html

Looked up Scoring Leader stats on the 218 WHL rookies. Rookie does not mean 16 years old, but instead their 1st year in the league. Was pleasantly surprised to see Tommy Vannelli is currently 4th in the league in rookie scoring with 33 points! But he will turn 19 before his rookie season ends. 16-year olds Baer and Gabrielle are ranked 25th, and 39th respectively.

If you filter the list to only show 1997 birth years (16s), here are the top-10 rookies:

1. Mathew Barzal
2. Tyler Soy
3. Giorgio Estephan
4. Glenn Gawdin
5. Alec Baer
6. Adam Musil
7. Matteo Gennaro
8. Jansen Harkins
9. Keoni Texeira
10. Jesse Gabrielle

So if you consider those as marginal stats in this league, well ok then!

Frantisek Musil?

[coco2]

Looks like Keegan Iverson is 64... Played at Breck before Portland.

Probably would have ranked higher if he had stayed in high school. Hasn't really found his niche at Portland.

Probably... not.

I haven't met a hockey scout that doesn't share the opinion that evaluating HS players is like a crap shoot on any given night - with the varying levels of competition, range of skill on team rosters, and the short season. These factors can only have a negative effect on a professional teams draft decisions.

I am not sure where Keegan will land come draft day as this is nothing more than a mid-term report, but I would make the case that he will rank more accurately - and likely higher, than he would by staying in MN. They are competing with, and against some of the best players in the world on any given night.

And I know for sure he is getting 50 times the looks playing in Portland, than he would be in Golden Valley. Hate to break that to us Minnesotans, but...

You are right. There are 75% of NHL scouts up in the CHL compared to the states. Iverson plays an NHL game and he made the right choice. If he was here he would be sitting in the box for hitting to hard...

[gitter]

Gabrielle and Baer will be in the top 4 rounds of the draft next year should they have stayed at Eagan or Benilde??

Baer has 15 pts in 37 games
Gabrielle has 11 pts in 23 games

Pretty good stats for rookies in the toughest junior hockey league in the world.

Those are marginal stats, even in the CHL as a rookie.

The bottom line is, if you're good enough, it doesn't matter where you play, someday you'll play hockey 24/7.

This is a very good read, by someone who has more hockey IQ than 99.99% of this "Bored".

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/online-ed ... -wait.html

It would only seem fitting that Klatt should come home and coach HS hockey, instead of all of the other really bad interests outside our state. Curt Giles in all of his years of experience, at all levels of hockey (895 NHL GP), should conclude that all former MN NHL'ers should come back home and coach HS hockey. Every other decision is a bad one because it is not the path he took, and he is the proof.

Let's Play Hockey would gleefully publish it. Klatt, respectively, could then serve a lifetime seat on the MN Coaches Association...where he would be in good company.

Sorry, getting a bit carried away here. All in fun!

You seem to be getting a little bitter over this . I hope you'll be OK.

The way I look at it, he's right. If you're good enough, you'll play in the NHL (no matter if you go to junior early or stay wherever it is you are - it doesn't need to be MSHSL). For everyone else that leaves for junior early and doesn't play in the NHL....by default you're chasing something that isn't there. Look at Paul Martin and Jamie Langenbrunner. 2 different paths, same result. Jamie would have played in the NHL regardless if he went to Peterborough or not his senior year (which by the way, scored 91 points and still holds the Petes record for most points as a rookie). He was clearly someone who was ready for the next level.

[MrBoDangles]

How did Walker compare to the other three Edina players on the list before he left?

[Stick Save]

Those are marginal stats, even in the CHL as a rookie.

The bottom line is, if you're good enough, it doesn't matter where you play, someday you'll play hockey 24/7.

This is a very good read, by someone who has more hockey IQ than 99.99% of this "Bored".

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/online-ed ... -wait.html

It would only seem fitting that Klatt should come home and coach HS hockey, instead of all of the other really bad interests outside our state. Curt Giles in all of his years of experience, at all levels of hockey (895 NHL GP), should conclude that all former MN NHL'ers should come back home and coach HS hockey. Every other decision is a bad one because it is not the path he took, and he is the proof.

Let's Play Hockey would gleefully publish it. Klatt, respectively, could then serve a lifetime seat on the MN Coaches Association...where he would be in good company.

Sorry, getting a bit carried away here. All in fun!

You seem to be getting a little bitter over this . I hope you'll be OK.

The way I look at it, he's right. If you're good enough, you'll play in the NHL (no matter if you go to junior early or stay wherever it is you are - it doesn't need to be MSHSL). For everyone else that leaves for junior early and doesn't play in the NHL....by default you're chasing something that isn't there. Look at Paul Martin and Jamie Langenbrunner. 2 different paths, same result. Jamie would have played in the NHL regardless if he went to Peterborough or not his senior year (which by the way, scored 91 points and still holds the Petes record for most points as a rookie). He was clearly someone who was ready for the next level.

Yeah sorry, I thumbed that prior to my anger management class last night. So feeling much better today. So we can all find examples of players reaching success following the many different paths. And we can all find examples of each of these same paths, not leading to success. But I don't necessarily always agree that for those who did not achieve the success of pro hockey, that their life was less harmed by staying home an extra year or two. For some with a dream, not pursuing it wherever it might lead, can lead to some worse regrets of what "could have been."

Not to mention, the sometimes equally valuable experience of living away from home, being a part of a team at that next level, riding the bus, etc. Much different than the special memories of community high school, but for some, can be just as special and memorable.

And at the end of the day if you truly have that potential, it will likely be your committed D1 college, or NHL-drafted team that is suggesting you hit the junior circuit early. So there must be something to Juniors in their minds regarding level of development.

[gitter]

Yeah sorry, I thumbed that prior to my anger management class last night.

And at the end of the day if you truly have that potential, it will likely be your committed D1 college, or NHL-drafted team that is suggesting you hit the junior circuit early. So there must be something to Juniors in their minds regarding level of development.

This I don't have as much of an issue with. It was the case with Langenbrunner (Stars GM), but not so much that the CHL was the answer, it was more of "there's nothing left in the MSHSL for a kid with your ability right now". I can't say I see the same thing in some (not all) of these players that are leaving now.

[Stick Save]

Probably would have ranked higher if he had stayed in high school. Hasn't really found his niche at Portland.

Probably... not.

I haven't met a hockey scout that doesn't share the opinion that evaluating HS players is like a crap shoot on any given night - with the varying levels of competition, range of skill on team rosters, and the short season. These factors can only have a negative effect on a professional teams draft decisions.

I am not sure where Keegan will land come draft day as this is nothing more than a mid-term report, but I would make the case that he will rank more accurately - and likely higher, than he would by staying in MN. They are competing with, and against some of the best players in the world on any given night.

And I know for sure he is getting 50 times the looks playing in Portland, than he would be in Golden Valley. Hate to break that to us Minnesotans, but...

You are right. There are 75% of NHL scouts up in the CHL compared to the states. Iverson plays an NHL game and he made the right choice. If he was here he would be sitting in the box for hitting to hard...

That is so true. Iverson spent a lot of quality time in the sin bin when he was here two years ago. A very physical player. Can you imagine him still playing here now with the stricter rules?

The physical style of the WHL is a perfect fit for Iverson, IMO. Not for everybody.

[coach95]

pretty sure walker was out the first half of the year with mono. That is why he is not listed on ccs list. If he was healthy he would be a head of fidler and the rest of the edina guys.

[spectatorfun]

If you are a top kid from Minnesota, there is no reason to leave. The WHl is only for guys that are projected to go in the top 10 of the draft. The WHL coaches and scouts will tell you to leave but don't. You will be better off staying home and playing. If you are not a top 10 draft choice you need to stay home and stay away from the WHL. The coaches will promise you things that can't deliver.It is only for guys that are a sure can't miss. Which is only the top 5. If that is not you, stay home.

[mulefarm]

Each players circumstances are different and it is has not been proven that one way is the best for everybody. I think a big factor is it seems each year the NHL is getting younger and younger and these players want to get there as fast as they can whether they are from the US or Canada. Most pro people are Canadian and feel the CHL is the fastest and best option. I would say even 8-10 yrs. ago most Mn kids goal was to get and play at a D1 school, now I would bet that goal is to get to the NHL as fast as they can! Kids are accelerating there school to get into college for there deveolpment, leaving for USHL,CHL and Ann Arbor all for the goal of playing in the NHL. The USHL and CVHL are filled with younger players hoping to get drafted, which these leagues get subsidized by the NHL for draft picks. That is why you don't see very many 20 yr olds in these leagues anymore. The NAHL, I would guess has an abundance of 20 just hoping for a college opportunity. Really, I could only see more players leaving and trying to get to the NHL as fast as they can. I don't agree in general with this way, but that seems how it is.