Section 3A (2013-2014)

gopherfan7 · Post by **gopherfan7** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:45 am

notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote: IMO, Willmar is just laying back in the grass and they're going to make it to the finals, if Luverne comes to play in their games, they'll be in the section finals too. We would be looking at one hell of a section final game, Gustavus would be ROCKING!
Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparabel stats, i'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.
Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....

and I'd speculate you're wrong. I live in the NW corner in the state and have no horse in the race, just got pulled in like others who read this forum based on some of the completely biased posts and outrageous things said by certain people.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:46 am

gopherfan7 wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote: Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparabel stats, i'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.
Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....
and I'd speculate you're wrong. I live in the NW corner in the state and have no horse in the race, just got pulled in like others who read this forum based on some of the completely biased posts and outrageous things said by certain people.

Wait, biased? Outrageous?? WHOOOOO

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:12 am

notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote: Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....
and I'd speculate you're wrong. I live in the NW corner in the state and have no horse in the race, just got pulled in like others who read this forum based on some of the completely biased posts and outrageous things said by certain people.
Wait, biased? Outrageous?? WHOOOOO

Goalie stats are nearly ALWAYS a direct reflection of the quality of team in front of them. One of the most under-rated tendy's the the state is Matz in Albert Lea. JMO. And I like Moberg at St. Paul Johnson.

BUT, stat's don't really mean squat this time of year as the TEAMS that come to play EACH GAME will have success, but a HOT Tendy can sure help.

MrGoalieBoy · Post by **MrGoalieBoy** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:26 am

notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote: IMO, Willmar is just laying back in the grass and they're going to make it to the finals, if Luverne comes to play in their games, they'll be in the section finals too. We would be looking at one hell of a section final game, Gustavus would be ROCKING!
Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparabel stats, i'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.
Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....

Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.

MrGoalieBoy · Post by **MrGoalieBoy** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:31 am

fastncrash wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote: and I'd speculate you're wrong. I live in the NW corner in the state and have no horse in the race, just got pulled in like others who read this forum based on some of the completely biased posts and outrageous things said by certain people.
Wait, biased? Outrageous?? WHOOOOO
Goalie stats are nearly ALWAYS a direct reflection of the quality of team in front of them. One of the most under-rated tendy's the the state is Matz in Albert Lea. JMO. And I like Moberg at St. Paul Johnson.

BUT, stat's don't really mean squat this time of year as the TEAMS that come to play EACH GAME will have success, but a HOT Tendy can sure help.

Very good point.

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:36 am

MrGoalieBoy wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote: Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparabel stats, i'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.
Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....
Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.

Maybe "arguably", but with Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West, and West's D a bit deeper (JMO), I'd say that gives the nod to Meyer as having a better season. IF, you flip-flopped these two teams and each played the others schedule, I think the records would be the about the same as they are.

StanleyYelnats · Post by **StanleyYelnats** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:49 am

Most exciting time of the year is almost here. As most teams wrap up their last regular season games this week, now on to PLAYOFF TIME: Who's got what it takes?? Upsets? Bold Predictions?

Deck Slide · Post by **Deck Slide** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:51 am

fastncrash wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote: Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....
Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.
Maybe "arguably", but with Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West, and West's D a bit deeper (JMO), I'd say that gives the nod to Meyer as having a better season. IF, you flip-flopped these two teams and each played the others schedule, I think the records would be the about the same as they are.

So you are basically saying the SW MN Hockey Conference is as good as the Big 9... The Red Flag has been thrown...

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:59 am

Deck Slide wrote:
fastncrash wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote: Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.
Maybe "arguably", but with Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West, and West's D a bit deeper (JMO), I'd say that gives the nod to Meyer as having a better season. IF, you flip-flopped these two teams and each played the others schedule, I think the records would be the about the same as they are.
So you are basically saying the SW MN Hockey Conference is as good as the Big 9... The Red Flag has been thrown...

Overall comparison between the two conferences as a whole, of course NOT. BUT, Luverne's Youth has been playing opponents of the Big 9 towns and have done well historically with the biggest exception being the Rochester groups BEFORE the High schools divides them. What I'm saying is these TWO HS teams are very similar. Defensively, I think MW is deeper. Offensively I think Luverne is deeper. Flip the schedules and I believe you see basically the same records.

GopherPuck15 · Post by **GopherPuck15** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:12 pm

fastncrash wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote:
notTONIGHT wrote: Id speculate we have a goalie dad on the forum here.....
Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.
Maybe "arguably", but with Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West, and West's D a bit deeper (JMO), I'd say that gives the nod to Meyer as having a better season. IF, you flip-flopped these two teams and each played the others schedule, I think the records would be the about the same as they are.

What is your basis of Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West's?

Additionally, we're talking about high school hockey, not youth. Minneapolis Storm has a fantastic youth program and one of the worst High School teams in the state. Albert Lea's youth struggles at every level, yet Nystrom completely changes that dynamic when they're competitive every single year at the High School level. Two examples, the second probably being a better one, but using youth hockey results to compare high school teams is ridiculous.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:50 pm

StanleyYelnats wrote:Most exciting time of the year is almost here. As most teams wrap up their last regular season games this week, now on to PLAYOFF TIME: Who's got what it takes?? Upsets? Bold Predictions?

Did you seriously just jump into a 32 page thread without reading a single post?

MrGoalieBoy · Post by **MrGoalieBoy** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:59 pm

IMO, having seen both teams play, Luverne does not have a stronger offense than West.. This is coming from me, who is pulling for Luverne because I believe they would compete best, just my opinion though.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:07 pm

GopherPuck15 wrote:
fastncrash wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote: Exactly, like I said, my bad I didn't look into the stats, I was going off the games that I have seen.
Maybe "arguably", but with Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West, and West's D a bit deeper (JMO), I'd say that gives the nod to Meyer as having a better season. IF, you flip-flopped these two teams and each played the others schedule, I think the records would be the about the same as they are.
What is your basis of Luverne's scoring power getting the nod over West's?

Additionally, we're talking about high school hockey, not youth. Minneapolis Storm has a fantastic youth program and one of the worst High School teams in the state. Albert Lea's youth struggles at every level, yet Nystrom completely changes that dynamic when they're competitive every single year at the High School level. Two examples, the second probably being a better one, but using youth hockey results to compare high school teams is ridiculous.

Its different in small towns than minneapolis. Maybe if edgerton builds a rink, they can start pulling hockey players to their private school. But thats not going to happen. 1 Feeder for high school programs in SW MN is their youth program.

I hope you can see that.

Furthermore, How can you claim its ridiculous? It may not be the most effective way to gauge a team. Buts its certainly not ridiculous. Same kids playing the same game year in and year out a pattern develops. Its not like some grounbreaking idea.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:21 pm

gopherfan7 wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote:
hawkenjonny wrote:I agree with some earlier posts on this thread. 3A has the most entertaining group of word snipers on this forum! Not even close. What it also has is a bunch of people talking about who might play who in a state tournament that no one has qualified for. I know it is fun to speculate, but cart/horse gentlemen. From what I know of Willmar, they play a style of hockey that has historically been difficult for Luverne to handle. I know they beat them earlier, but the score was not really that indicative of the game from those who told me about it. And Marshall? Forgot about them last year... Still hoping to see Luverne up here in March, but don't forget to show up to play the games!
IMO, Willmar is just laying back in the grass and they're going to make it to the finals, if Luverne comes to play in their games, they'll be in the section finals too. We would be looking at one hell of a section final game, Gustavus would be ROCKING!
Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparable stats, I'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.

Do you know how many starts for MW that Wollenziein did not make?

Luverne sat Meyer in several of the REALLY weak opponent games. Which could have potentially made his stat better.

Did MW do the same?

hawkenjonny · Post by **hawkenjonny** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:00 pm

Ahhh emotions run high in 3A. I agree with Herbie, in smaller towns with no private school picking off their talent, the youth records are relevant. That being said, kids develop at different rates, and will have different coaching influences as pointed out. All the controversy with MW or Luverne really isn't the point is it? Not 3A vs 3A. Luverne better be ready for whoever comes out of their own section, then worry about others later if they get that far. Success stories breed big targets. EVERYONE in 3A should be out preparing for Luverne. And Luverne better be prepared for THEM. In every game. Or they (and their many faithful and vocal fans) will be eating it again this year. Hang in there Luverne, I am rooting for you.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:42 pm

West and Luverne have 1 common opponent, in LeSeuer, West beat them 6-3, Luverne beat them 6-1.

West plays the tougher schedule but the Big Nine really isn't a very good conference so it's tough to judge just how good West is outside the holiday tournament West played in. Luverne did beat an improving Kennedy and the Eagles may be better than anyone West beat.

My hunch is West won't get seeded, there is just too much of anti south bias. A Duluth Marshall loss to Apollo or a tie to a team West put running time on won't make a difference. If West wouldn't get seeded I don't think Luverne has a chance, which is kind of sad. In my opinion the 8A champ, Breck, and Hermantown (should those two make it) should be the only sure bets to be seeded.

p_cku · Post by **p_cku** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:29 pm

Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:Hutch 5 Mound Westonka 3

Hutch wins a big in Mound a team who hammered both Willmar and NU this season. Looks like the Senior Allen got the start and was very solid stopping 34 of 37 shots.

Beware of Hutch they are a dangerous team> If they get solid tending they can beat anyone in this section. Just need to put 3 games together.

Section 3A Scout,

I do not often agree with Section 3A Scout but i do agree Hutch is dangerous and if Luverne does play them again they will have to play better than they did Friday night because Hutch is going to bring it .

3A Scout asked why Luverne was traveling to Hutch again this year to play. The truth is Hutch and LCD will not play them if they have to drive to Luverne. The Luverne Coaching staff has made the commitment to drive there or anywhere to play the best teams they can. Luverne over the years have always had a good fan base becasue they are not AFRAID TO TRAVEL like other teams in the Section.

3A Scout I need to correct you because you always talk about Luverne annual choking in the playoffs. That is not a true statement, yes last year they did. But until last year they have played well in the playoffs;

2010 They were the #7 seed and upset # 2 seed Redwood Valley
2011 #5 seed lost to # 4 seed at Marshall
2012 upset Marshall in Semifinals
2013 lost to Marshall

I have no problem with you not liking Luverne but make sure when you bash them or make negative comments at least you have the correct facts to back it up.

For the Luverne Faithful:

As far as thinking Providence Academy is a cake walk Luverne WAKE UP! It senior night for PA what better way to end your senior year than to upset a undefeated Luverne.

They played a terrible game against New Ulm. Everything went right for New Ulm. The next day PA lost 3-2 to St. Paul Academy and have been in almost all there games this season against very good competition.

Luverne is only good when they play as a team and not worried about who scoring as long as the team is scoring. PA will be a great battle before playoffs for Luverne. It just what the Doctor ordered.

For All of you Section 3A Fans,

The Section is going to come down to goaltending plain and simple so anyone of the following teams could win.
New Ulm
Hutch
Willmar
Luverne
LCD (yes this could happen remember last year)
Marshall (yes this could happen remember last year)

That is why you play the game and that why MN High School hockey is so great.

justlivin · Post by **justlivin** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:51 pm

notTONIGHT wrote:
gopherfan7 wrote:
MrGoalieBoy wrote: IMO, Willmar is just laying back in the grass and they're going to make it to the finals, if Luverne comes to play in their games, they'll be in the section finals too. We would be looking at one hell of a section final game, Gustavus would be ROCKING!
Luverne SOS according to minnhock: 139
MW SOS according to minnhock: 113

Meyer's stats (Luverne): 17-0-1, 1.14 GAA, .951 sv% and 5 SO
Wollenzein's stats (MW): 14-1, 1.13 GAA, .925 sv% and 5 SO

with a slightly tougher schedule and pretty comparable stats, I'd speculate to say Wollenzein is a better goaltender than Meyer.
Do you know how many starts for MW that Wollenziein did not make?

Luverne sat Meyer in several of the REALLY weak opponent games. Which could have potentially made his stat better.

Did MW do the same?

MW goalies have rotated every other game this year with 2 exceptions. If the goaltender had a shutout they got the next start & Spiess suffered a concussion which put him out for 5 games.
With the exception of 2 games this year west has been unchallenged by there opponents. Only challenged by themselves and not showing up for the games.

Section 3A HockeyScout · Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:26 pm

p_cku wrote:
Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:Hutch 5 Mound Westonka 3

Hutch wins a big in Mound a team who hammered both Willmar and NU this season. Looks like the Senior Allen got the start and was very solid stopping 34 of 37 shots.

Beware of Hutch they are a dangerous team> If they get solid tending they can beat anyone in this section. Just need to put 3 games together.
Section 3A Scout,

I do not often agree with Section 3A Scout but i do agree Hutch is dangerous and if Luverne does play them again they will have to play better than they did Friday night because Hutch is going to bring it .

3A Scout asked why Luverne was traveling to Hutch again this year to play. The truth is Hutch and LCD will not play them if they have to drive to Luverne. The Luverne Coaching staff has made the commitment to drive there or anywhere to play the best teams they can. Luverne over the years have always had a good fan base becasue they are not AFRAID TO TRAVEL like other teams in the Section.

3A Scout I need to correct you because you always talk about Luverne annual choking in the playoffs. That is not a true statement, yes last year they did. But until last year they have played well in the playoffs;

2010 They were the #7 seed and upset # 2 seed Redwood Valley
2011 #5 seed lost to # 4 seed at Marshall
2012 upset Marshall in Semifinals
2013 lost to Marshall

I have no problem with you not liking Luverne but make sure when you bash them or make negative comments at least you have the correct facts to back it up.

For the Luverne Faithful:

As far as thinking Providence Academy is a cake walk Luverne WAKE UP! It senior night for PA what better way to end your senior year than to upset a undefeated Luverne.

They played a terrible game against New Ulm. Everything went right for New Ulm. The next day PA lost 3-2 to St. Paul Academy and have been in almost all there games this season against very good competition.

Luverne is only good when they play as a team and not worried about who scoring as long as the team is scoring. PA will be a great battle before playoffs for Luverne. It just what the Doctor ordered.

For All of you Section 3A Fans,

The Section is going to come down to goaltending plain and simple so anyone of the following teams could win.
New Ulm
Hutch
Willmar
Luverne
LCD (yes this could happen remember last year)
Marshall (yes this could happen remember last year)

That is why you play the game and that why MN High School hockey is so great.

Solid Post!

All I will say is the Luverne Faithful need stop talking about state and worry about the Section. That is why I bash them they literally have put themselves in the State Tourney.

They have learned NOTHING from last year. Hutch is ready for Round 2. The first meeting means nothing.

I still remember the shocked and somber Luverne Faithful faces leaving Gustavus last year after their CHOKE JOB..... Why would any Luverne fan be on here proclaiming they are state bound this year?

Some one asked for a Bold Prediction earlier today here is: Luverne WILL NOT be coming out of this Section.

Willmar is my pick have kept quiet on here. I am cheering for those Red Cardinals.

notTONIGHT · Post by **notTONIGHT** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:50 pm

Luverne Sucks!

p_cku · Post by **p_cku** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:10 pm

goldy313 wrote:West and Luverne have 1 common opponent, in LeSeuer, West beat them 6-3, Luverne beat them 6-1.

West plays the tougher schedule but the Big Nine really isn't a very good conference so it's tough to judge just how good West is outside the holiday tournament West played in. Luverne did beat an improving Kennedy and the Eagles may be better than anyone West beat.

My hunch is West won't get seeded, there is just too much of anti south bias. A Duluth Marshall loss to Apollo or a tie to a team West put running time on won't make a difference. If West wouldn't get seeded I don't think Luverne has a chance, which is kind of sad. In my opinion the 8A champ, Breck, and Hermantown (should those two make it) should be the only sure bets to be seeded.

Section 1A-3A-5A-6A all these Sections have their good and bad points but I believe the Champion of each of these Section if they play each other will have very competitive games.

One of these will be the #5 seed more than likely it will come from Section 1A.

IMO

flash4000 · Post by **flash4000** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:11 pm

Maybe some of you out there can answer a couple questions.

Did MW and Luverne play in the mankato summer league and how did it go if they did? I know that summer games can be completely misleading due to baseball, vacations, jobs, ect.

I know that NU gets some quality players from SE. Do any of these other schools draw kids from their coop schools?

Grocery_Stick · Post by **Grocery_Stick** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:29 pm

flash4000 wrote:Maybe some of you out there can answer a couple questions.

Did MW and Luverne play in the mankato summer league and how did it go if they did? I know that summer games can be completely misleading due to baseball, vacations, jobs, ect.

I know that NU gets some quality players from SE. Do any of these other schools draw kids from their coop schools?

Redwood Valley draws some from BOLD. They used to bring a couple from Cedar Mountain but the last one left for Eden Prairie a few years ago. I am unaware of many others. I know Windom used to pull a few from Mountain Lake.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:30 pm

Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:
Some one asked for a Bold Prediction earlier today here is: Luverne WILL NOT be coming out of this Section.

I'm shocked...shocked. A guy who picked Luverne to lose about 20 games this season picks against them now. Hard to believe.

wooshlager · Post by **wooshlager** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:30 pm

Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:
p_cku wrote:
Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:Hutch 5 Mound Westonka 3

Hutch wins a big in Mound a team who hammered both Willmar and NU this season. Looks like the Senior Allen got the start and was very solid stopping 34 of 37 shots.

Beware of Hutch they are a dangerous team> If they get solid tending they can beat anyone in this section. Just need to put 3 games together.
Section 3A Scout,

I do not often agree with Section 3A Scout but i do agree Hutch is dangerous and if Luverne does play them again they will have to play better than they did Friday night because Hutch is going to bring it .

3A Scout asked why Luverne was traveling to Hutch again this year to play. The truth is Hutch and LCD will not play them if they have to drive to Luverne. The Luverne Coaching staff has made the commitment to drive there or anywhere to play the best teams they can. Luverne over the years have always had a good fan base becasue they are not AFRAID TO TRAVEL like other teams in the Section.

3A Scout I need to correct you because you always talk about Luverne annual choking in the playoffs. That is not a true statement, yes last year they did. But until last year they have played well in the playoffs;

2010 They were the #7 seed and upset # 2 seed Redwood Valley
2011 #5 seed lost to # 4 seed at Marshall
2012 upset Marshall in Semifinals
2013 lost to Marshall

I have no problem with you not liking Luverne but make sure when you bash them or make negative comments at least you have the correct facts to back it up.

For the Luverne Faithful:

As far as thinking Providence Academy is a cake walk Luverne WAKE UP! It senior night for PA what better way to end your senior year than to upset a undefeated Luverne.

They played a terrible game against New Ulm. Everything went right for New Ulm. The next day PA lost 3-2 to St. Paul Academy and have been in almost all there games this season against very good competition.

Luverne is only good when they play as a team and not worried about who scoring as long as the team is scoring. PA will be a great battle before playoffs for Luverne. It just what the Doctor ordered.

For All of you Section 3A Fans,

The Section is going to come down to goaltending plain and simple so anyone of the following teams could win.
New Ulm
Hutch
Willmar
Luverne
LCD (yes this could happen remember last year)
Marshall (yes this could happen remember last year)

That is why you play the game and that why MN High School hockey is so great.
Solid Post!

All I will say is the Luverne Faithful need stop talking about state and worry about the Section. That is why I bash them they literally have put themselves in the State Tourney.

They have learned NOTHING from last year. Hutch is ready for Round 2. The first meeting means nothing.

I still remember the shocked and somber Luverne Faithful faces leaving Gustavus last year after their CHOKE JOB..... Why would any Luverne fan be on here proclaiming they are state bound this year?

Some one asked for a Bold Prediction earlier today here is: Luverne WILL NOT be coming out of this Section.

Willmar is my pick have kept quiet on here. I am cheering for those Red Cardinals.

Not really a BOLD prediction coming from you Trout.

You havent kept quiet about Willmar all year either.

And you hate a team because they have an arrogant fan who thinks they will make state? You must hate every team in the entire state of hockey then..

Honestly what do you bring to this thread? Besides making me laugh...