Section 7AA 2013-2014?

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:56 pm

East up 2-0 after 1st.

fiveholenyou · Post by **fiveholenyou** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:16 pm

Different year same results. Andover is so overmatched it's crazy. For anyone to think they are a top 10 team is a joke. Congrats on the winning streak, but they are not even close to a contender. Sorry but I've seen many games and this is the first and sorely a disappointment to what we were expecting.

curtiscurve · Post by **curtiscurve** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:22 pm

[quote="Rapids has hit just enough bumps in the road to be #4, though they are close enough that I wouldn't protest much if they nudged up to #3. No higher than that, though.[/quote]

Karl, I have to disagree with you on this one. It seems like the argument I made a few pages ago was not clear. I will try to make the point again. Grand Rapids lost to Duluth Marshall on the road 1st. Not a great team, but also no slouch. They beat Breck just recently and lost to Benilde on the road in OT. 2nd and 3rd losses were to Edina and Eden Prairie at the Edina Classic. I guess I wouldn't consider this a blemish to keep them out of the top 3 seeds. They then play poorly against East on a night where East was playing really well. Their 5th loss was to White Bear Lake, who let's not forget beat Centennial (a team who beat East and Andover). Then they lose to Virgina who circles that game on their calendar each year and a team that beat Cloquet (another team who beat East). Finally, we round out the losses with Moorhead, a team who has not lived up to normal Moorhead expectations, but has given good teams fits all year (Beating Breck, taking Maple Grove and Centennial to OT and playing tight with Wayzata and Benilde). I guess I am just failing to understand why these losses negate the fact that they have a 5-1 record against the section. The other teams in consideration for the top 4 seeds have also had their stinkers. East with Cloquet, Centennial, a tie with Maple Grove and probably the most shocking is the fact it took OT to pick up wins against Apple Valley and Cambridge. Andover lost to Centennial, Forest Lake, Eastview and probably the most concerning, losing to Robinsdale Armstrong at home. Elk River has the least concerning resume of losses, but most importantly, they lost to none other than Grand Rapids. This is why I think Elk River should be #1 unless they get upset tonight. If they do, Grand Rapids has as much of an argument for #1 as anyone else, and I think they have a legitimate chance of getting it. It will be exciting to see how the coaches work it out.

green4 · Post by **green4** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:28 pm

curtiscurve wrote:[quote="Rapids has hit just enough bumps in the road to be #4, though they are close enough that I wouldn't protest much if they nudged up to #3. No higher than that, though.

Karl, I have to disagree with you on this one. It seems like the argument I made a few pages ago was not clear. I will try to make the point again. Grand Rapids lost to Duluth Marshall on the road 1st. Not a great team, but also no slouch. They beat Breck just recently and lost to Benilde on the road in OT. 2nd and 3rd losses were to Edina and Eden Prairie at the Edina Classic. I guess I wouldn't consider this a blemish to keep them out of the top 3 seeds. They then play poorly against East on a night where East was playing really well. Their 5th loss was to White Bear Lake, who let's not forget beat Centennial (a team who beat East and Andover). Then they lose to Virgina who circles that game on their calendar each year and a team that beat Cloquet (another team who beat East). Finally, we round out the losses with Moorhead, a team who has not lived up to normal Moorhead expectations, but has given good teams fits all year (Beating Breck, taking Maple Grove and Centennial to OT and playing tight with Wayzata and Benilde). I guess I am just failing to understand why these losses negate the fact that they have a 5-1 record against the section. The other teams in consideration for the top 4 seeds have also had their stinkers. East with Cloquet, Centennial, a tie with Maple Grove and probably the most shocking is the fact it took OT to pick up wins against Apple Valley and Cambridge. Andover lost to Centennial, Forest Lake, Eastview and probably the most concerning, losing to Robinsdale Armstrong at home. Elk River has the least concerning resume of losses, but most importantly, they lost to none other than Grand Rapids. This is why I think Elk River should be #1 unless they get upset tonight. If they do, Grand Rapids has as much of an argument for #1 as anyone else, and I think they have a legitimate chance of getting it. It will be exciting to see how the coaches work it out.[/quote]

Im confused with how you can make an argument that Centennial is a good team in one way while making them a "stinker" when using them to compare games with East and Andover

SuperStar · Post by **SuperStar** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:30 pm

Not to distract from all the banter, but this thread has 44,337 views so far...Isnt that some sort of record, holy cow man.

offtheglas · Post by **offtheglas** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:35 pm

Start selling some ads with all those views! Any updates on Andover game?

fiveholenyou · Post by **fiveholenyou** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:40 pm

4-0 Blaine over Andover. JV vs Varsity. So much of a joke.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:40 pm

Slammer wrote:East up 2-0 after 1st.

East up 4-1 midway thru 3rd..
GR and Denfeld 1-1

north_bear · Post by **north_bear** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:44 pm

2-1 GR beating Denfeld after 2.

East 4-2 on Tonka so far.

Bigcat99 · Post by **Bigcat99** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:52 pm

SuperStar wrote:Not to distract from all the banter, but this thread has 44,337 views so far...Isnt that some sort of record, holy cow man.

Section 3A thread has over 75k views...

Post by **karl(east)** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:02 pm

This topic is nothing. This one has 197,000: http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... highlight=

I understand what you're saying, curtis, I just disagree. It's a philosophical difference on how to go about doing the seedings. You can pick single results out all day, but you can spin those to justify just about anything...especially when you start bringing margin of victory into it. (DE handled FL, but GR only beat them by one! How about Eden Prairie as a common opponent.) My point all along has been that this method is messy and not very useful. I stick with rankings as my starting point. Every single ranking has DE ahead of GR, plus there's a convincing head-to-head result to go with it.

I will be very surprised if GR is ahead of DE. Other sections may be different at times, but there is precedent in 7AA for using this method instead of descending into webs of A-beats-B-beats-C-section-record logic.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:24 pm

Bigcat99 wrote:
SuperStar wrote:Not to distract from all the banter, but this thread has 44,337 views so far...Isnt that some sort of record, holy cow man.
Section 3A thread has over 75k views...

I guess Iowans are starting to like hockey....

SuperStar · Post by **SuperStar** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:31 pm

That's was funny.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:33 pm

SuperStar wrote:That's was funny.

Denfeld scores under 20seconds left to send game to OT with GR.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:34 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Bigcat99 wrote:
SuperStar wrote:Not to distract from all the banter, but this thread has 44,337 views so far...Isnt that some sort of record, holy cow man.
Section 3A thread has over 75k views...
I guess Iowans are starting to like hockey....

And 7AA is the northern 'burbs of the Twin Cities.

MTStringer · Post by **MTStringer** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:42 pm

Denfeld wins in OT on a shorthanded goal.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:43 pm

Teak wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
Bigcat99 wrote: Section 3A thread has over 75k views...
I guess Iowans are starting to like hockey....
And 7AA is the northern 'burbs of the Twin Cities.

Come on,, Teak..... Playin'

curtiscurve · Post by **curtiscurve** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:46 pm

Well Grand Rapids did themselves in tonight. Tough team to figure out. I'm the first one to admit I'm wrong and in this argument, I'm wrong. Andover also lost so I don't know what will come out of 3 and 4. I do know that ER should be #1 and East should get #2.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:48 pm

MTStringer wrote:Denfeld wins in OT on a shorthanded goal.

Smalley it is.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:49 pm

curtiscurve wrote:Well Grand Rapids did themselves in tonight. Tough team to figure out. I'm the first one to admit I'm wrong and in this argument, I'm wrong. Andover also lost so I don't know what will come out of 3 and 4. I do know that ER should be #1 and East should get #2.

Forest Lake 3
White Bear 2

north_bear · Post by **north_bear** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:59 pm

The top 2 seeds will be ER and DE; not necessarily in that order. Seeds 3-5 are almost a toss up between AND, GR, FL. Each has very good arguments over the others for where they should be seeded. And each is capable of being great when they are ''on''. We'll see soon enough which coach is the best persuader.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:02 pm

Well not a good game to end on right before the seeding meeting.

greenway1969 · Post by **greenway1969** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:19 pm

Rapids is not that tough to figure out. They are an average AA team. It appears their win over Hermantown is the exception not the rule. Hermantown did not look that good tonight against Superior, a 2-2 tie. Luckily they are in a section that doesn't seem to have a top tier team. Both East and Elk River have struggled lately. At this point the 7AA rep at state will not be a factor. Rapids appears to be heading toward an early exit at Sections.

hshockeyfan8 · Post by **hshockeyfan8** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:29 pm

Gonna go out on a limb here and say Rapids wins the section. Shephard is going to get hot, and the team is going to hop on Avery's back.

sanryam · Post by **sanryam** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:19 pm

Elk River 4
Anoka 1
FINAL

Gordie's last minute complete juggling of the 2nd line has worked the last two games (Anoka/Centennial). Probably still doesn't make up for Zerban, but at least gets some speed and some offense back on the particular line.