This is unbelievable if true. I am hearing that the person behind the residency issue investigation against AA is a SPA Dad. He apparently has been the driving force and the money behind these accusations. I believe his efforts started at or around the time AA beat SPU 7-1. Go figure.
Meanwhile I am told it is common knowledge that St Paul United has a first line player living in the basement of a teammates family's home while the player in question's parents both reside in Duluth.
I hope the MSHSL looks into this situation as dilligently as the AA accusations!
St Paul United has an ineligible player?
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Thevoiceofreason
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Re: St Paul United has an ineligible player?
Again, it doesn't matter where the kid lives now. Where did the FAMILY/claim residency live at the time the student was eligible?Thevoiceofreason wrote:This is unbelievable if true. I am hearing that the person behind the residency issue investigation against AA is a SPA Dad. He apparently has been the driving force and the money behind these accusations. I believe his efforts started at or around the time AA beat SPU 7-1. Go figure.
Meanwhile I am told it is common knowledge that St Paul United has a first line player living in the basement of a teammates family's home while the player in question's parents both reside in Duluth.
I hope the MSHSL looks into this situation as dilligently as the AA accusations!
Is that player a transfer student or has that player been there since 9th grade?
Re: St Paul United has an ineligible player?
[quote="Thevoiceofreason"]This is unbelievable if true.
it is not true, she lives on the main floor of the house and it is a beautiful home-oh by the way, she is a ninth grader and the transfer rule does not apply to ninth graders.
it is not true, she lives on the main floor of the house and it is a beautiful home-oh by the way, she is a ninth grader and the transfer rule does not apply to ninth graders.
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Nevertoomuchhockey
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Re: St Paul United has an ineligible player?
Thevoiceofreason wrote:This is unbelievable if true. I am hearing that the person behind the residency issue investigation against AA is a SPA Dad. He apparently has been the driving force and the money behind these accusations. I believe his efforts started at or around the time AA beat SPU 7-1. Go figure.
Meanwhile I am told it is common knowledge that St Paul United has a first line player living in the basement of a teammates family's home while the player in question's parents both reside in Duluth.
I hope the MSHSL looks into this situation as dilligently as the AA accusations!
"the money behind these allegations?" What or who is he paying for?
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MNHockeyFan
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Nothing real new here, but a good summary of where things stand.
Chart: 'New animal' in Minnesota hockey
http://www.startribune.com/sports/244818361.html
Chart: 'New animal' in Minnesota hockey
http://www.startribune.com/sports/244818361.html
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Bluelightspecial
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Nevertoomuchhockey
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Re: St Paul United has an ineligible player?
WANTED:Thevoiceofreason wrote:This is unbelievable if true. I am hearing that the person behind the residency issue investigation against AA is a SPA Dad. He apparently has been the driving force and the money behind these accusations. I believe his efforts started at or around the time AA beat SPU 7-1. Go figure.
Meanwhile I am told it is common knowledge that St Paul United has a first line player living in the basement of a teammates family's home while the player in question's parents both reside in Duluth.
I hope the MSHSL looks into this situation as dilligently as the AA accusations!
A room someone's basement next year. Champion or runner-up A or AA teams only need apply.
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Maverick2000
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Wow this is like a huge drama show like the old days of dynasty....I did not know that girls hs hockey was such a big thing. If people are cheating that's sad but if it is legal to have a 9th grader live in someone else's house for hockey, may or may not be legal, but again just nuts for girls hs hockey.......
Sorry was distracted there as was getting a email back from all of our teams parents with open bedrooms and on Minneapolis Craigslist posting on the want ads for D1 hs hockey players wanted as have seven bedrooms open for next season;). Seriously people enjoy your kids now and life is not hockey, let them have fun and teach them the life skills that all can't be winners and No matter how much money you spend on them it can't make them D1.
Parent reality check.....
Sorry was distracted there as was getting a email back from all of our teams parents with open bedrooms and on Minneapolis Craigslist posting on the want ads for D1 hs hockey players wanted as have seven bedrooms open for next season;). Seriously people enjoy your kids now and life is not hockey, let them have fun and teach them the life skills that all can't be winners and No matter how much money you spend on them it can't make them D1.
Parent reality check.....
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Froggy Richards
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Aren't you the guy who was pouring through another team's box scores looking for evidence that they were running up the score?Maverick2000 wrote:Wow this is like a huge drama show like the old days of dynasty....I did not know that girls hs hockey was such a big thing. If people are cheating that's sad but if it is legal to have a 9th grader live in someone else's house for hockey, may or may not be legal, but again just nuts for girls hs hockey.......
Sorry was distracted there as was getting a email back from all of our teams parents with open bedrooms and on Minneapolis Craigslist posting on the want ads for D1 hs hockey players wanted as have seven bedrooms open for next season;). Seriously people enjoy your kids now and life is not hockey, let them have fun and teach them the life skills that all can't be winners and No matter how much money you spend on them it can't make them D1.
Parent reality check.....
Girls hockey is a big thing for the people involved especially parents. Whether hockey, soccer, volleyball or even golf ... parents of girl athletes do seem overcharged. Beyond those directly involved, interest in the girl'shockey falls fast. Even at the college and Oympic levels.Maverick2000 wrote:Wow this is like a huge drama show like the old days of dynasty....I did not know that girls hs hockey was such a big thing. If people are cheating that's sad but if it is legal to have a 9th grader live in someone else's house for hockey, may or may not be legal, but again just nuts for girls hs hockey.......
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Several teams in the East side have Wisconsin residents attending school and playing MSHSL hockey.
Even on the boy's side. Living in someone elses house is not uncommon. High end athletes head to Michigan (National Team) or USHL Jr hockey team cities and live with host families.
Heck, before the days of open enrollment ... didn't Edina used to house the families of high performance out of district players just to get them on their roster?
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Nevertoomuchhockey
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Good for SPA that they are having an up year. Good for them if they got new girls in (legally) that are having a positive impact. I have to say this cuz it's been bugging the h-e-double hockey sticks out of me.
When I've watched United this year (twice) they started two 9th graders as wings with #7, their not only D1 but Ivy League bound awesome senior. Their roster lists 3 seniors, and the parent I sat next to a few weeks back said her senior daughter was going to Vanderbilt (not playing hockey.) No idea where the third senior is going or even who she is but I'm 99.9999% sure it's a dang good college.
Consider how many "elite" players this year in the metro alone who were out for a game or a month or a season due to mono or strep or flu or hip or knee or head or depression (who knows why? It's not the NFL. Teams don't proclaim their injured list on ESPN.) It seems unnecessary to state the obvious that regardless of where kids go to play hockey, injuries are all too common and uncertain. Its simply CRAZY to say these first line freshman went to SPA or Visitation simply for the unbeatable state tourney proven D1 feeder famous coach #1 hockey team! It wasn't that at the beginning of the year and unfortunately it still isn't now - although closer! I don't know a lot about this school other than it has an amazing academic record. It is def on the short list for my own daughter in four years, so Ive done a lot of research. The college placements are one of the best in the state. The extra-curriculars are proven across the board to be award winners in their own right. Perhaps these crazy hockey parents enrolled their kids there so they can be doctors or journalists or engineers, not D1 hockey players. Although CLEARLY that's possible too! Isn't one if their juniors going D1 to HARVARD?
AA is new. No track record for college admissions or scholarships or test scores or ANYTHING other than an impressive first hockey season. I'm definitely not taking that away from them or the work they've put in to get there. HOWEVER... Nobody went there for the school. Maybe the academic side will garner its own bragging rights in the years to come. But this year, this team - they went there for CP and hockey and a unique skating program which undoubtedly will carry with some of the girls to college. But nobody knows. I'm not ready to throw the AA baby (online school intensive hockey model) out with the cheating bath water (since the allegations, though troubling, are as yet unproven.) But to compare incoming freshman on United who picked Visitation or SPA due to religious beliefs, the award winning school newspaper, the college list on the website their graduates are attending, or because the barber pole hockey jerseys are cool - to incoming 7 8 9 10 11 12th grade young women signing up at AA because the on ice and dryland and coach and teammates and novelty and online flexibility of the actual school were alluring to them? Nope. Seriously can't be compared. Lots of both public and private schools all over the metro have all of these components to greater and lesser degrees. Girls and families pick among them based on the individual needs (and monetary and geographic constraints) for their individual child. Hockey FOR SURE is considered.
But AA in its current first year unproven and new structure? Well hockey is the only issue at play. I believe the NE/AA girls can and will be just as successful as students. But they picked this school as athletes first. I don't know the kids or families who transferred into the United schools this year either, but at least today, based on the existing models and curriculum, they are as much or more STUDENT athletes.
When my son was an incoming freshman, he toured 3 publics and 3 privates. He sat in on band, art, student council, debate, photography, yearbook, and some activities I prob don't remember. I have always said on these boards that the more opportunities for girls hockey in MN the better for the sport. For some kids the non-hockey extra-curriculars are meaningless. For some kids college hockey is the ultimate goal be it Mankato or St. Cloud or Harvard or Dartmouth. My son and my daughter are so incredibly different and I know they will most likely choose different high schools. The entire population of girls hockey players in MN have different goals, priorities, skill levels, financial means, alumni legacies, religions, and may be introverted or extremely social. A program like AA is probably ideal for some girls. So is BSM, or Blake, or Blaine, or East. Maybe even Marshall! Again, when it comes to hockey teams the more the merrier (nevertoomuchhockey!) As long as everyone is playing by the rules, as long as our kids can play the game they love and move on to successful careers and futures, there is an academic and hockey program appropriate for each of our daughters and families.
I started on these boards to become more familiar with the girls hockey teams at the varsity levels in a way which wasn't really possible just from "traditional" research. Almost wish I'd had this resource when my oldest was making his decision. (ALMOST.) Still a couple years away from her choice, but we definitely learn something from all of you and your positive and negative experiences and STRONG opinions. OUR experience and MY opinion is that the primary draw of AA this year was the coach and the hockey program and the girls. The draw for girls coming into United and most other private and public metro schools (this is not a slam against north or south. It's just geography people) is their proven record(s) of test scores, college admissions, academic and arts curriculum, and outstanding foreign languages , sciences, math, history, literature.... And I'd be remiss without pointing out the absolutely amazing faculty and administration our kids are blessed with. Online instruction certainly has its place and value for some, but great teachers can change lives. (So can great coaches and teammates.) It's a free country! Minnesota has many incredible schools and many great hockey programs. Many have both. Maybe someday soon NE/AA will "achieve" this too. Thanks for reading this to the end.
When I've watched United this year (twice) they started two 9th graders as wings with #7, their not only D1 but Ivy League bound awesome senior. Their roster lists 3 seniors, and the parent I sat next to a few weeks back said her senior daughter was going to Vanderbilt (not playing hockey.) No idea where the third senior is going or even who she is but I'm 99.9999% sure it's a dang good college.
Consider how many "elite" players this year in the metro alone who were out for a game or a month or a season due to mono or strep or flu or hip or knee or head or depression (who knows why? It's not the NFL. Teams don't proclaim their injured list on ESPN.) It seems unnecessary to state the obvious that regardless of where kids go to play hockey, injuries are all too common and uncertain. Its simply CRAZY to say these first line freshman went to SPA or Visitation simply for the unbeatable state tourney proven D1 feeder famous coach #1 hockey team! It wasn't that at the beginning of the year and unfortunately it still isn't now - although closer! I don't know a lot about this school other than it has an amazing academic record. It is def on the short list for my own daughter in four years, so Ive done a lot of research. The college placements are one of the best in the state. The extra-curriculars are proven across the board to be award winners in their own right. Perhaps these crazy hockey parents enrolled their kids there so they can be doctors or journalists or engineers, not D1 hockey players. Although CLEARLY that's possible too! Isn't one if their juniors going D1 to HARVARD?
AA is new. No track record for college admissions or scholarships or test scores or ANYTHING other than an impressive first hockey season. I'm definitely not taking that away from them or the work they've put in to get there. HOWEVER... Nobody went there for the school. Maybe the academic side will garner its own bragging rights in the years to come. But this year, this team - they went there for CP and hockey and a unique skating program which undoubtedly will carry with some of the girls to college. But nobody knows. I'm not ready to throw the AA baby (online school intensive hockey model) out with the cheating bath water (since the allegations, though troubling, are as yet unproven.) But to compare incoming freshman on United who picked Visitation or SPA due to religious beliefs, the award winning school newspaper, the college list on the website their graduates are attending, or because the barber pole hockey jerseys are cool - to incoming 7 8 9 10 11 12th grade young women signing up at AA because the on ice and dryland and coach and teammates and novelty and online flexibility of the actual school were alluring to them? Nope. Seriously can't be compared. Lots of both public and private schools all over the metro have all of these components to greater and lesser degrees. Girls and families pick among them based on the individual needs (and monetary and geographic constraints) for their individual child. Hockey FOR SURE is considered.
But AA in its current first year unproven and new structure? Well hockey is the only issue at play. I believe the NE/AA girls can and will be just as successful as students. But they picked this school as athletes first. I don't know the kids or families who transferred into the United schools this year either, but at least today, based on the existing models and curriculum, they are as much or more STUDENT athletes.
When my son was an incoming freshman, he toured 3 publics and 3 privates. He sat in on band, art, student council, debate, photography, yearbook, and some activities I prob don't remember. I have always said on these boards that the more opportunities for girls hockey in MN the better for the sport. For some kids the non-hockey extra-curriculars are meaningless. For some kids college hockey is the ultimate goal be it Mankato or St. Cloud or Harvard or Dartmouth. My son and my daughter are so incredibly different and I know they will most likely choose different high schools. The entire population of girls hockey players in MN have different goals, priorities, skill levels, financial means, alumni legacies, religions, and may be introverted or extremely social. A program like AA is probably ideal for some girls. So is BSM, or Blake, or Blaine, or East. Maybe even Marshall! Again, when it comes to hockey teams the more the merrier (nevertoomuchhockey!) As long as everyone is playing by the rules, as long as our kids can play the game they love and move on to successful careers and futures, there is an academic and hockey program appropriate for each of our daughters and families.
I started on these boards to become more familiar with the girls hockey teams at the varsity levels in a way which wasn't really possible just from "traditional" research. Almost wish I'd had this resource when my oldest was making his decision. (ALMOST.) Still a couple years away from her choice, but we definitely learn something from all of you and your positive and negative experiences and STRONG opinions. OUR experience and MY opinion is that the primary draw of AA this year was the coach and the hockey program and the girls. The draw for girls coming into United and most other private and public metro schools (this is not a slam against north or south. It's just geography people) is their proven record(s) of test scores, college admissions, academic and arts curriculum, and outstanding foreign languages , sciences, math, history, literature.... And I'd be remiss without pointing out the absolutely amazing faculty and administration our kids are blessed with. Online instruction certainly has its place and value for some, but great teachers can change lives. (So can great coaches and teammates.) It's a free country! Minnesota has many incredible schools and many great hockey programs. Many have both. Maybe someday soon NE/AA will "achieve" this too. Thanks for reading this to the end.
Just a plug for the publics, if you look apples-to-apples, some of the publics compare very favorably to privates, if not better. Remember, publics are required to take all comers and privates get to hand-pick. Nothing against the privates since they do have some nice college pipelines and a few other perks, but let's use a equitable comparison when quoting relative test scores, etc. Now back to the topic at hand.
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Nevertoomuchhockey
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Sin you are absolutely correct. We definitely considered publics when looking for the best fit for my son. There are some public high schools which easily stand right next to any top private. There are also some publics, unfortunately, which are sad by any measurement. I know the towns teachers parents in these school districts are working incredibly hard to make up the gaps in every single thing that stems from funding and enrollment and facilities and x y z... My point was really that NE/AA (in its infancy as an academic institution) can't compare to Blake, Breck, SPA, Visitation, or any school they measure their "recruitment" against. New transfers anywhere else have an academic history to examine. AA doesn't. New freshman families anywhere other than Achiever could probably list 30 reasons why they enrolled. New AA students? 1.