Duluth East vs Hermantown or Marshall, Why Not?

HockeyBum · Post by **HockeyBum** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:42 am

So let's dispelled all the BS reasons;
1-Nothing to win everything to loss.
2-conference won't let east in so they won't play Marshall or Hermantown.
3-to hard to hav the AD schedule

I think it's this, Marshall and Hermantown both could compete with east and east could come out lossing the game, that alone would crush Randolph's and some old time hockey guys egos.

Thee same kids play each other in youth hockey all the way up and compete. Isn't it more about a great game and rivalry that keep the game going?

Why not set up an early or late local fundraising event and have the northern team play. A lot of people would pay to see that?

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:46 am

Considering East's difficult schedule, I don't think fear of losing is a reason not to play those two teams. I assume they'd rather play AA competition like Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, etc.

I'd much rather see East play Edina on a yearly basis than either Hermantown or Duluth Marshall. Best to leave those schools to Grand Rapids.

HockeyBum · Post by **HockeyBum** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 am

Look at section 8 this year, AA and strength of schedule is a joke. The marriucci conf has the A teams on top and AA on the bottom. Local teams playing each other, like The Roseau/ Warroad rivalry is great for hockey and local programs.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:08 am

East has tried to get in the conference multiple times, Hermantown and Marshall don't want it. Nothing they can do. Not a "BS" reason.

badgermom78 · Post by **badgermom78** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:13 am

Traxler wrote:Considering East's difficult schedule, I don't think fear of losing is a reason not to play those two teams. I assume they'd rather play AA competition like Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, etc.

I'd much rather see East play Edina on a yearly basis than either Hermantown or Duluth Marshall. Best to leave those schools to Grand Rapids.

Traxler is correct in regards to keeping the schedule flexible to play AA metro teams.

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:22 am

Slammer wrote:East has tried to get in the conference multiple times, Hermantown and Marshall don't want it. Nothing they can do. Not a "BS" reason.

That is 100% inaccurate.

HockeyBum · Post by **HockeyBum** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:42 am

Traxler, east has plenty of teams that both Marshall and H-town has beaten on their schedule, Hopkins, denfeld, superior, cloquet and Cambridge isn't a powerhouse. Local talent playing local talent is only good for the local programs.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:43 am

TheInsider wrote:
Slammer wrote:East has tried to get in the conference multiple times, Hermantown and Marshall don't want it. Nothing they can do. Not a "BS" reason.
That is 100% inaccurate.

Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:46 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
TheInsider wrote:
Slammer wrote:East has tried to get in the conference multiple times, Hermantown and Marshall don't want it. Nothing they can do. Not a "BS" reason.
That is 100% inaccurate.
Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT

Really, where have I been then. Maybe your right. Do you have any proof to back this up?

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:53 am

TheInsider wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote:
TheInsider wrote: That is 100% inaccurate.
Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT
Really, where have I been then. Maybe your right. Do you have any proof to back this up?

Ive spoke with the East AD about it in the past...

Post by **karl(east)** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:57 am

TheInsider wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote:
TheInsider wrote: That is 100% inaccurate.
Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT
Really, where have I been then. Maybe your right. Do you have any proof to back this up?

I could dig up multiple DNT citations if you really want them.

Superior and Denfeld are the only schools that support East's re-admittance. The rest vote against it.

Also, contrary to popular belief, East didn't leave the LSC. They were thrown out. The conference dissolved in 1999 and it was assumed everyone would go their separate ways. Instead, the other ADs met in secret and re-formed it without East. (A couple of small north shore schools also got the boot.) That's why East started playing the independent hockey schedule.

East isn't faultless in this whole affair, but there's plenty of blame to go around. No one is innocent.

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:58 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
TheInsider wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote: Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT
Really, where have I been then. Maybe your right. Do you have any proof to back this up?
Ive spoke with the East AD about it in the past...

Ha..ha..

Im sure you have. Not sure why they wouldnt be allowed in the LSC because of hockey. East already plays Cloquet, Denfeld and Superior. And from what Ive heard, Marshall and Hermantown badly want to play them. Maybe there is something more than that though. I think Duluth East is perfectly content playing their tough non-conferance schedule.

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:02 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
TheInsider wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote: Well sir you are wrong, East has tried for the last 5-6 years to get back into the LSC for all sports but the other schools say no because of the hockey..That is a FACT
Really, where have I been then. Maybe your right. Do you have any proof to back this up?
Ive spoke with the East AD about it in the past...

You don't have to be in the same conference to schedule a team.

Rocketwrister · Post by **Rocketwrister** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:39 am

Maybe a better question is....Why would East want to play either team?

I'm sure if they went AA they would be on the schedule.

HSH1212 · Post by **HSH1212** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:50 am

Traxler wrote:Considering East's difficult schedule, I don't think fear of losing is a reason not to play those two teams. I assume they'd rather play AA competition like Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, etc.

I'd much rather see East play Edina on a yearly basis than either Hermantown or Duluth Marshall. Best to leave those schools to Grand Rapids.

I'd argue some years that Marshall has a harder schedule than East. They certainly change their schedule more than East who plays the same teams like every year. I think one year Marshall played St. Thomas, Breck, Benilde, Hill Murray, Totino Grace...

The ball is in East's court for sure. Randolph dropped both Marshall and Hermantown and although Hermantown doesn't play a strong schedule, both East and Marshall do. It's sad that Marshall and East both travel to Minneapolis so much when they could have a good game for sure. East would beat Hermantown and Marshall most years but around the 2005-2008 years, I think Marshall would have easily handled East and in 2007 and 2009, Hermantown probably would have beat East too. The best rivalry in Minnesota (Roseau/Warroad) is a A vs AA match-up so I don't see why East can't play A rivals. Of course, East's response to Marshall and Hermantown is to opt up so I guess there are points on each side.

Lets put my view this way though: You know Randolph is borderline crazy when he apparently turned down Hermantown's request to play them on Hockey Day Minnesota a few years ago. Instead, East watched Hockey Day Minnesota at home.

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:27 am

Rocketwrister wrote:Maybe a better question is....Why would East want to play either team?

I'm sure if they went AA they would be on the schedule.

Hermantown will never opt up to AA. Their enrollment is going to get a lot larger when the new buildings are up, but they still won't opt up.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:34 am

Hermantown would add East in a heartbeat. East was the first team Herm asked when they hosted Hockey Day in 2007 and East declined.

Eden Prairie, who had “nothing to gain”, came up and had a great game.

I think the "nothing to gain" and the “move to AA” excuses are a pathetic.

The only reasonable reason would be if the games would not be competitive we all know this would not be the case.

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:34 am

Wow! It's been, what, a year since someone got that bored and started this up again?

Well done, Bum. Bravo.

Lee

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:47 am

east hockey wrote:Wow! It's been, what, a year since someone got that bored and started this up again?

Well done, Bum. Bravo.

Lee

You have three great programs in the same city and they don't play each other. How is that not an interesting topic?

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:05 am

Froggy Richards wrote:You have three great programs in the same city and they don't play each other. How is that not an interesting topic?

If you're an outsider looking in and don't know any of the history it does make you scratch your head and ask, "Why?"

HockeyStorm · Post by **HockeyStorm** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:12 am

Froggy Richards wrote:
Rocketwrister wrote:Maybe a better question is....Why would East want to play either team?

I'm sure if they went AA they would be on the schedule.
Hermantown will never opt up to AA. Their enrollment is going to get a lot larger when the new buildings are up, but they still won't opt up.

This is a great topic. There is no reason that East shouldn't be in the LSC and play the likes of Hermantown and Marshall twice a year.

I do know that Hermantown has explored the option of moving up to AA in the future, and I think for the kids alone they should do it after this year. Their community is growing and their kids deserve the chance to play against the best of the best in MN. I also feel that Marshall should play AA but they haven't been as strong as Hermantown year in and year out. Look at the past 10 years, how many years could Hermantown have potentially beat East to represent 7AA in St. Paul? I would say AT LEAST twice, probably more. I still wish it was a one class tournament, so I am a huge advocate of playing AA if you have the team to do so.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:26 am

HockeyStorm wrote:I do know that Hermantown has explored the option of moving up to AA in the future, and I think for the kids alone they should do it after this year.

Even after they'll FINALLY get the chance to win the A Tourney without having to face those

Cadets?

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:44 am

Rocketwrister wrote:Maybe a better question is....Why would East want to play either team?

I'm sure if they went AA they would be on the schedule.

East plays Denfeld every year. They are Class A.

norcon · Post by **norcon** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:54 pm

Traxler wrote:Considering East's difficult schedule, I don't think fear of losing is a reason not to play those two teams. I assume they'd rather play AA competition like Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, etc.

I'd much rather see East play Edina on a yearly basis than either Hermantown or Duluth Marshall. Best to leave those schools to Grand Rapids.

You seem to forget Rapids enrollment is not high enough for AA but they opt up to play the better competition. You will see less A teams on their schedule starting next season.

Rocketwrister · Post by **Rocketwrister** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:00 pm

norcon wrote:
Traxler wrote:Considering East's difficult schedule, I don't think fear of losing is a reason not to play those two teams. I assume they'd rather play AA competition like Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, etc.

I'd much rather see East play Edina on a yearly basis than either Hermantown or Duluth Marshall. Best to leave those schools to Grand Rapids.
You seem to forget Rapids enrollment is not high enough for AA but they opt up to play the better competition. You will see less A teams on their schedule starting next season.

Your correct Rapids does opt up every 2 years. Granted, there enrollment is pretty darn close to the cut off for AA; I think they miss it by 100 or so students.

Denfeld SHOULD be AA; but they get to opt down due to how many free & reduced lunches they have? (something like that...from what I hear; maybe someone knows more?)

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